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  • Claus Ogerman

    My introduction to Brasilian culture was in the late 80s when I was at Uni in Manchester.  On my course was a woman from Brasil, first time meeting anyone from there for me.  Her dad was/had been the mayor of Salvador in Bahia.  She was five or six years older than me and married to a Frenchman.  She had been in Europe for a few years and they had an apartment in Didsbury and were good friends to me, just a poor boy (from a poor family).  She told me what it was really like for her and that she loved living normally in Manchester with no servants etc.  Obviously Brasil has many different vibes and local ways so there is no typical experience.

    She had stuff from Milton Nascimento, Pepeu Gomes, Gilberto Gil, Elis Regina... Her husband was into super-obscure UK indie bands that he'd discovered in France, that I'd never heard of - Eyeless in Gaza, and Duritti Column.  Pre-internet, so parallel worlds.  He was fantastic with languages and had gotten well in with Alan Erasmus and Vini Reilly.  I got to stay with them in their place in Normandy and fixed up his old Alfa Romeo with him.  They had to go back to warmer climes (Cannes IIRC) because she got Lupus.

    We've lost touch since then but yeah, as Jobim himself said, it seems... "Brasil is not for beginners."

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    ppadilha said:
    Jimster said:
    A great album and this is the deepest tune, a tour of the Amazon no?  With Ron Carter bonus.

    Jobim was always fond of journeys and checking the sights and sounds.  Otherwise it seems random AF.   Brazilian culture accepts lyrics from a way broader church than the West.

    That's the depth of this music.

    There's definitely an openness to Brazilian lyrics that you don't see as much in English. Things can be much more abstract and poetic, but even old school samba can get philosophical in ways that something like a jazz standard doesn't even attempt.

    That's what I meant by it being more accepting and deeper than English-language.

    I mean, there are always outliers like Zappa, Prog, Metal that will entertain fantasy with a straight face, But mainstream?  I can't think of a recent mainstream English-language artist that gets money put behind their work if it has anything woo-woo about it.  Kate Bush maybe the last of them?

    But I gotta be honest...

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    I think he thinks his work was used by the Beatles but I personally don't think it was.  Years back I remember Purdie saying he was in a studio at the same time as Ringo and someone put 2 and 2 together and got 7 and put this into Bernard's ear.  You know how this industry works.  If there are Beatles-level royalties in it, the lawyers smell blood.

    I know Ringo isn't held at the same technical level as Steve Gadd, Vinnie, Bernard or indeed Jim Keltner and the other session legends but if you speak to them about Ringo, they say he plays exactly the right stuff for those songs and they really rate him as a musician because he always plays to the song, and not to impress other drummers.

    My mum used to work in Liverpool and watch the lunchtime set in the original Cavern.  The canteen area was shared benches and tables and she sat with them (The Beatles) often, and Cilla.  No egos.  She used to get in for free for the evening sets because she said the bouncer fancied her.  
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