By the way, this is the kind of game that shows why Baron won???t be an All-Star, probably ever again, and almost certainly not this season.
He was incredible in the San Antonio victory. Almost a perfect game, except for some bad defense. He set himself up for laurels, he led his team, he just needed one more huge effort to put himself back on the All-Star landscape.
Then this. Steve Nash doesn???t hit the bottom like this. Kobe doesn???t. Tony Parker??? Chris Paul??? Deron Williams??? Iverson, Carmelo, Marion??? They might not shoot it well every night, but they show up, usually, and give you something.
Tonight, Baron gave nothing.
Other coaches have gotten disgusted with Baron about this kind of stuff???just shutting it down when things get tough fast. Baron hasn???t done much of it as a Warrior. He has been a great Warrior, as I???ve said often and recently. The greatest since Rick Barry.
But he shut it down tonight. 1-for-6 shooting, 1 assist, 3 fouls (bad), 4 points in 14 minutes??? with a plus/minus of -29. That???s MINUS 29, out of a great player, in 14 minutes.
I think that this may be a little harsh considering that the whole Warriors team was flat against the Blazers last night after a grueling win over the Spurs on Tuesday.
And he only played 14 minutes. The team was down 16 in the first half, down 20 for much of the rest of the game no matter who they had out there.
that's the kawakami article. the guy writes ok and has great access to the team that nobody else does, but is melodramatic to a fault with this shit.
T-Mac (ghey, AI is 80k votes behind) Kobe Melo (FINALLY) Duncan Yao
You see this is good, but it's the same stars. Same predictable outcome. Scrimmage for most part of the game, and then play real ball for 5 minutes.
West:
Bruce Bowen Raja Bell Trevor Ariza Matt Harpring Marcus Camby
Mostly predictable, yes. With the exeption of Carmelo, who is hopefully going to get his first voted in appearance of his career, which I think is crazy that it took 5 years, but whatever.
No way I could cosine anybody on your west 5 other than Camby though. You just listed 4 players that combined don't put up the numbers that 2 all stars do.
By the way, this is the kind of game that shows why Baron won???t be an All-Star, probably ever again, and almost certainly not this season.
He was incredible in the San Antonio victory. Almost a perfect game, except for some bad defense. He set himself up for laurels, he led his team, he just needed one more huge effort to put himself back on the All-Star landscape.
Then this. Steve Nash doesn???t hit the bottom like this. Kobe doesn???t. Tony Parker??? Chris Paul??? Deron Williams??? Iverson, Carmelo, Marion??? They might not shoot it well every night, but they show up, usually, and give you something.
Tonight, Baron gave nothing.
Other coaches have gotten disgusted with Baron about this kind of stuff???just shutting it down when things get tough fast. Baron hasn???t done much of it as a Warrior. He has been a great Warrior, as I???ve said often and recently. The greatest since Rick Barry.
But he shut it down tonight. 1-for-6 shooting, 1 assist, 3 fouls (bad), 4 points in 14 minutes??? with a plus/minus of -29. That???s MINUS 29, out of a great player, in 14 minutes.
I think that this may be a little harsh considering that the whole Warriors team was flat against the Blazers last night after a grueling win over the Spurs on Tuesday.
And he only played 14 minutes. The team was down 16 in the first half, down 20 for much of the rest of the game no matter who they had out there.
that's the kawakami article. the guy writes ok and has great access to the team that nobody else does, but is melodramatic to a fault with this shit.
I find it puzzling that Nelson never put the starters back in that game. It seems like they basically hung it up during the third quarter. Most coaches would have put the starters out there to try and at least make the game respectable in the second half. It sounds weird to say after the Warriors gutty performance in the playoffs last year, but the team as a whole may have some "mental toughness" issues.
Bruce Bowen Raja Bell Trevor Ariza Matt Harpring Marcus Camby
Who would the East all-defensive Allstars be????
Whichever team gets to 50 first, wins. The game will last 3hrs though.
Half time will be an hour and a half. Haha.
East defense? Dwight Howard, Tayshaun Prince, Kevin Garnett, Jason Kidd, Caron Butler, Josh Smith??? That's a tough one.
I started building an East defensive 5, but then I realized KG, Howard, can also shoot....and I wanted to make it so that my West 5 was looking hard as fuck.
Bruce Bowen Raja Bell Trevor Ariza Matt Harpring Marcus Camby
Who would the East all-defensive Allstars be????
Whichever team gets to 50 first, wins. The game will last 3hrs though.
Half time will be an hour and a half. Haha.
East defense? Dwight Howard, Tayshaun Prince, Kevin Garnett, Jason Kidd, Caron Butler, Josh Smith??? That's a tough one.
I started building an East defensive 5, but then I realized KG, Howard, can also shoot....and I wanted to make it so that my West 5 was looking hard as fuck.
Yeah, the best players in the east seem to be pretty damn well rounded.
nelson did put the starters in at the beginning of the second half. they fucked it up again and were quickly pulled. i like his direct take on the game better:
"I wouldn't put too much on what happened here,'' said Warriors coach Don Nelson, standing in the hallway next to me holding a beer while I was holding the stat sheet, thus giving him the upper hand.
Nelson realized in the opening three minutes that his team was flatter than ale from a bathtub. He tried to shake it up by calling a couple of timeouts early in the first quarter, but the Warriors were passively determined to lose 109-91 to Portland and there was no way to change it.
"There was just nothing there,'' he said. "It's not the worst thing in the world. It's hard to accept, but I think I've got to put this one behind me.'' At that moment, for emphasis, he could have downed the beer in one big gulp, which I'm sure he's capable of doing. But discipline was shown.
I congratulated Nelson for limiting Davis to 14 minutes amid concerns that he has been playing far too much recently.
"That's a good way to do it,'' the coach said as he walked away before mumbling something I couldn't hear. So I asked a fellow reporter. "He said, 'Next time he can coach the ---damn game,' '' he reported.
nelson did put the starters in at the beginning of the second half. they fucked it up again and were quickly pulled. i like his direct take on the game better:
"I wouldn't put too much on what happened here,'' said Warriors coach Don Nelson, standing in the hallway next to me holding a beer while I was holding the stat sheet, thus giving him the upper hand.
Nelson realized in the opening three minutes that his team was flatter than ale from a bathtub. He tried to shake it up by calling a couple of timeouts early in the first quarter, but the Warriors were passively determined to lose 109-91 to Portland and there was no way to change it.
"There was just nothing there,'' he said. "It's not the worst thing in the world. It's hard to accept, but I think I've got to put this one behind me.'' At that moment, for emphasis, he could have downed the beer in one big gulp, which I'm sure he's capable of doing. But discipline was shown.
I congratulated Nelson for limiting Davis to 14 minutes amid concerns that he has been playing far too much recently.
"That's a good way to do it,'' the coach said as he walked away before mumbling something I couldn't hear. So I asked a fellow reporter. "He said, 'Next time he can coach the ---damn game,' '' he reported.
What a bad look for a coach to be acting like a blowout loss to a western conference opponent is no big deal. Apparently the "mental toughness" issues start at the top. And yes I am beating up on the Warriors a little bit but there is no good reason for them to be flat for this game. We Oregonians were very nervously excited about this game, because we thought Golden State would want revenge for the last loss in the Rose Garden. Instead we got this crappy performance.
What a bad look for a coach to be acting like a blowout loss to a western conference opponent is no big deal. Apparently the "mental toughness" issues start at the top. And yes I am beating up on the Warriors a little bit but there is no good reason for them to be flat for this game. We Oregonians were very nervously excited about this game, because we thought Golden State would want revenge for the last loss in the Rose Garden. Instead we got this crappy performance.
I hear you, but it's really not that big of a deal in January. Every team has its bad nights. Every team gets blown out every now and then. Nelson doesn't really seem like the type to get upset over losing a game to a bottom seed contender that's not in his division in January (even though GSW is a bottom seed contender as well). I could imagine you guys were expecting a good game though, so that kinda sucks. At least you got another W though.
Nelson is a alcoholic[/b]. Dude is mad oblivious[/b], and it works 50% of the time[/b] .
NewCocky Portland Fan.......
I had this opinion about Nelson long before the current Blazer resurgence.
An innovator, Nelson is credited with, among other things, inventing the concept of the point forward, a tactic which is frequently employed by teams at every level today. His unique brand of basketball is often referred to as Nellie Ball.[/b]
Don Nelson, the second-winningest coach in NBA history[/b]
And he built the Dallas Mavs team that you see today.
Golden State Warriors: Remember last month when Don Nelson "pulled the plug early" against the Pistons, basically conceding a game because he figured they wouldn't win it anyway? At the time, Nelson said: "That's the way it goes sometimes. We pulled the plug early on this one. We weren't playing well enough to beat these guys today." Does anybody get the feeling he did the same thing last night against the Blazers? I mean, Baron Davis only played 13 minutes. Austin Croshere played almost twice as many minutes as the Warriors' starters (except Monta Ellis). You know, Phil Jackson once claimed (in his book The Last Season) that Nelson would sometimes get ejected from a game so that he could leave early and hit the bars (and we all know that Nelson loves him some beer). Is he conceding games to save his players' legs (especially the injury-prone Davis), or is he simply in a hurry to go crack open a frosty beverage?
nelson did put the starters in at the beginning of the second half. they fucked it up again and were quickly pulled. i like his direct take on the game better:
"I wouldn't put too much on what happened here,'' said Warriors coach Don Nelson, standing in the hallway next to me holding a beer while I was holding the stat sheet, thus giving him the upper hand.
Nelson realized in the opening three minutes that his team was flatter than ale from a bathtub. He tried to shake it up by calling a couple of timeouts early in the first quarter, but the Warriors were passively determined to lose 109-91 to Portland and there was no way to change it.
"There was just nothing there,'' he said. "It's not the worst thing in the world. It's hard to accept, but I think I've got to put this one behind me.'' At that moment, for emphasis, he could have downed the beer in one big gulp, which I'm sure he's capable of doing. But discipline was shown.
I congratulated Nelson for limiting Davis to 14 minutes amid concerns that he has been playing far too much recently.
"That's a good way to do it,'' the coach said as he walked away before mumbling something I couldn't hear. So I asked a fellow reporter. "He said, 'Next time he can coach the ---damn game,' '' he reported.
What a bad look for a coach to be acting like a blowout loss to a western conference opponent is no big deal. Apparently the "mental toughness" issues start at the top. And yes I am beating up on the Warriors a little bit but there is no good reason for them to be flat for this game. We Oregonians were very nervously excited about this game, because we thought Golden State would want revenge for the last loss in the Rose Garden. Instead we got this crappy performance.
It's what distinguishes the elite from above average.
Golden State Warriors: Remember last month when Don Nelson "pulled the plug early" against the Pistons, basically conceding a game because he figured they wouldn't win it anyway? At the time, Nelson said: "That's the way it goes sometimes. We pulled the plug early on this one. We weren't playing well enough to beat these guys today." Does anybody get the feeling he did the same thing last night against the Blazers? I mean, Baron Davis only played 13 minutes. Austin Croshere played almost twice as many minutes as the Warriors' starters (except Monta Ellis). You know, Phil Jackson once claimed (in his book The Last Season) that Nelson would sometimes get ejected from a game so that he could leave early and hit the bars (and we all know that Nelson loves him some beer). Is he conceding games to save his players' legs (especially the injury-prone Davis), or is he simply in a hurry to go crack open a frosty beverage?
Nelson is a alcoholic[/b]. Dude is mad oblivious[/b], and it works 50% of the time[/b] .
NewCocky Portland Fan.......
I had this opinion about Nelson long before the current Blazer resurgence.
An innovator, Nelson is credited with, among other things, inventing the concept of the point forward, a tactic which is frequently employed by teams at every level today. His unique brand of basketball is often referred to as Nellie Ball.[/b]
Don Nelson, the second-winningest coach in NBA history[/b]
And he built the Dallas Mavs team that you see today.
whatever. I have been watching Nelson's teams play mediocre defense for many years. Does anyone think that the Mavs were better with Nelson as a coach than Avery Johnson? Oh, and don't forget his amazing performance as coach of the Knicks.
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that's the kawakami article. the guy writes ok and has great access to the team that nobody else does, but is melodramatic to a fault with this shit.
Who would the East all-defensive Allstars be????
Whichever team gets to 50 first, wins. The game will last 3hrs though.
Mostly predictable, yes. With the exeption of Carmelo, who is hopefully going to get his first voted in appearance of his career, which I think is crazy that it took 5 years, but whatever.
No way I could cosine anybody on your west 5 other than Camby though. You just listed 4 players that combined don't put up the numbers that 2 all stars do.
if you actually want to see a mess like that, go catch a d-league game.
WHO WOULD WIN?
WHO WINS IN A BRAWL?
Half time will be an hour and a half. Haha.
East defense? Dwight Howard, Tayshaun Prince, Kevin Garnett, Jason Kidd, Caron Butler, Josh Smith??? That's a tough one.
WHO WINS IN A DEBATE?
I find it puzzling that Nelson never put the starters back in that game. It seems like they basically hung it up during the third quarter. Most coaches would have put the starters out there to try and at least make the game respectable in the second half. It sounds weird to say after the Warriors gutty performance in the playoffs last year, but the team as a whole may have some "mental toughness" issues.
I started building an East defensive 5, but then I realized KG, Howard, can also shoot....and I wanted to make it so that my West 5 was looking hard as fuck.
East:
Josh Smith
Richard Prince
Desmond Mason
James Posey
Jermaine O'Neal
Yeah, the best players in the east seem to be pretty damn well rounded.
i like his direct take on the game better:
That's pretty fuckin'
What a bad look for a coach to be acting like a blowout loss to a western conference opponent is no big deal. Apparently the "mental toughness" issues start at the top. And yes I am beating up on the Warriors a little bit but there is no good reason for them to be flat for this game. We Oregonians were very nervously excited about this game, because we thought Golden State would want revenge for the last loss in the Rose Garden. Instead we got this crappy performance.
NewCocky Portland Fan.......
I hear you, but it's really not that big of a deal in January. Every team has its bad nights. Every team gets blown out every now and then. Nelson doesn't really seem like the type to get upset over losing a game to a bottom seed contender that's not in his division in January (even though GSW is a bottom seed contender as well). I could imagine you guys were expecting a good game though, so that kinda sucks. At least you got another W though.
I had this opinion about Nelson long before the current Blazer resurgence.
An innovator, Nelson is credited with, among other things, inventing the concept of the point forward, a tactic which is frequently employed by teams at every level today. His unique brand of basketball is often referred to as Nellie Ball.[/b]
Don Nelson, the second-winningest coach in NBA history[/b]
And he built the Dallas Mavs team that you see today.
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It's what distinguishes the elite from above average.
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whatever. I have been watching Nelson's teams play mediocre defense for many years. Does anyone think that the Mavs were better with Nelson as a coach than Avery Johnson? Oh, and don't forget his amazing performance as coach of the Knicks.
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