I think ridiculous is too hyperbolic. I'd say that is a "not currently defensible position" but it could trend that way.
Dirk Nowitzki has played in the playoffs almost every year of his long career. He's gone more than one round deep more than 5 times. He is one of 4 players in the history of their playoff career to average 25/10. He will probably end up a top 15 career point scorer. The statistical foundation is there, as are the accolades. If he can get one ring people's opinion will completely flip. If he gets multiples: top 10.
I think ridiculous is too hyperbolic. I'd say that is a "not currently defensible position" but it could trend that way.
Dirk Nowitzki has played in the playoffs almost every year of his long career. He's gone more than one round deep more than 5 times. He is one of 4 players in the history of their playoff career to average 25/10. He will probably end up a top 15 career point scorer. The statistical foundation is there, as are the accolades. If he can get one ring people's opinion will completely flip. If he gets multiples: top 10.
Gotta disagree......if Dirk gets 3 rings which of the below does he knock out of the Top 10?
MJ
Magic
Bird
Russell
Wilt
Kareem
Shaq
Dr. J
Kobe
Timmy/Moses
I think ridiculous is too hyperbolic. I'd say that is a "not currently defensible position" but it could trend that way.
Dirk Nowitzki has played in the playoffs almost every year of his long career. He's gone more than one round deep more than 5 times. He is one of 4 players in the history of their playoff career to average 25/10. He will probably end up a top 15 career point scorer. The statistical foundation is there, as are the accolades. If he can get one ring people's opinion will completely flip. If he gets multiples: top 10.
Gotta disagree......if Dirk gets 3 rings which of the below does he knock out of the Top 10?
MJ
Magic
Bird
Russell
Wilt
Kareem
Shaq
Dr. J
Kobe
Timmy/Moses
If he gets 3 rings he beats Dr J and probably Moses.
But he won't get 3 rings. And he's well behind Kobe and Havlicek, too, even if he does.
Hahaha......is he even the best PF in the game today? Top 5?
Yes...he is the best PF in 2011
Seven measly rebounds a game doesn't make you a power anything. Nowitzki is a great player but I've never thought of him as a PF.
That's the position he plays....25/10 in the Playoffs for his career....10 time All-Star......best at his position in 2011.....you can call that position whatever you want.
The fact that nash and dirk diggler have more regular season mvps than shaq and kobe is laughable at best, and completely indefensible. As far as annointing all these accolades to dirk who still hasnt won anything is even more ludicrous. But whatever you white dudes from texas can keep arguing these retarded sentiments. Will be so much fun watching miami crush your souls again. Cant wait to see cubans face when he fails again.
The fact that nash and dirk diggler have more regular season mvps than shaq and kobe combined is laughable at best, and completely indefensible. As far as annointing all these accolades to dirk who still hasnt won anything is even more ludicrous. But whatever you white dudes from texas can keep arguing these retarded sentiments. Will be so much fun watching miami crush your souls again. Cant wait to see cubans face when he fails again.
Hahaha......is he even the best PF in the game today? Top 5?
Yes...he is the best PF in 2011
Seven measly rebounds a game doesn't make you a power anything. Nowitzki is a great player but I've never thought of him as a PF.
That's the position he plays....25/10 in the Playoffs for his career....10 time All-Star......best at his position in 2011.....you can call that position whatever you want.
He's a forward. I don't think it's an insult to him to say he's not a real power forward. Blake Griffin was the best PF in the NBA this year.
Dirk has come close but he's never averaged 10 rebounds in a year. I'll bet that can't be said about any of the all-time great PFs. He's a hybrid.
Blake Griffin was the best PF in the NBA this year.
laughable.
based on PER @ the PF spot, regular season. There's a big jump between 2 and 6.
1 Kevin Love, MIN 24.39
2 Dirk Nowitzki, DAL 23.52
3 Pau Gasol, LAL 23.33
4 Amare Stoudemire, NY 22.78
5 Zach Randolph, MEM 22.67
6 Blake Griffin, LAC 21.93
7 LaMarcus Aldridge, POR 21.57
8 Kevin Garnett, BOS 20.67
9 David West, NO 20.51
10 Paul Millsap, UTAH 19.83
Dirk is probably the best active PF ...but its a close call...A case could be made for
Pau,Amare,KG and Aldrdge....
Seriously....you just watched that Lakers/mavs series and are willing to suggest Pau is as good or possibly better than Dirk?
Five years ago I'd agree with KG....today, not so much.
Amare's career will be summed up as an underacheiver.
Aldridge is a beast, but a few years away from greatness.
I'm not saying Pau is better than Dirk but a strong case could be made that he is......Bosh is having a better series than KG, but it doesn't mean he's a better player.
Slight resume of the one person who actually suggested that Dirk Nowitzki is a top 10 all-time NBA player, Rick Carlisle.
Now, I don't agree either necessarily, but his opinion is about a million times more appropriate than anyone's who might even think about posting in this thread.
I think Dirk was 75% or higher when guarded by dude last week.
Gasol has never beat Dirk once in a playoff game, going back to Memphis.
To think Gasol is sniffin' Dirk's jock is laughable.
Y'all fail to realize the reason Dirk hasn't won shit is at the feet of Cubes, Nellie Jr. and Avery. He's had BS squads.
When Dirk's personal life crumbled in full view of the media, he busted out for 39/11 against Denver. Gasol went into a fetus position when his personal life crumbled behind closed doors.
Dirk has continually been let down at every turn by his team, yet he has stuck with them, re-signing for less money to finish his career a Mav.
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Let's not even entertain this again....it's like telling Slingblade that french fried potatoes taste bad.
I think ridiculous is too hyperbolic. I'd say that is a "not currently defensible position" but it could trend that way.
Dirk Nowitzki has played in the playoffs almost every year of his long career. He's gone more than one round deep more than 5 times. He is one of 4 players in the history of their playoff career to average 25/10. He will probably end up a top 15 career point scorer. The statistical foundation is there, as are the accolades. If he can get one ring people's opinion will completely flip. If he gets multiples: top 10.
no way is dude rubbing elbows with
jordan
russell
magic
bird
shaq
chamberlain
west
hakeem
oscar
duncan
fuck outta here
Gotta disagree......if Dirk gets 3 rings which of the below does he knock out of the Top 10?
MJ
Magic
Bird
Russell
Wilt
Kareem
Shaq
Dr. J
Kobe
Timmy/Moses
I heard someone try to place Dirk over Larry Bird, which just made me laugh.
If he gets 3 rings he beats Dr J and probably Moses.
But he won't get 3 rings. And he's well behind Kobe and Havlicek, too, even if he does.
Great game although thunder fucked up multiple times. Should have won in regulation.
No way dirk is top 10 right now.
Answer, Hell No
How many of you fuckin' jo-jos have a Ring?
Played under Auerbach?
With Bird and McHale?
Idiocy.
Yes...he is the best PF in 2011
Seven measly rebounds a game doesn't make you a power anything. Nowitzki is a great player but I've never thought of him as a PF.
That's the position he plays....25/10 in the Playoffs for his career....10 time All-Star......best at his position in 2011.....you can call that position whatever you want.
I'll be fair
Duncan
Malone
Barkley
KG
Mchale
Hayes
Petit
Dirk
Rodman
Debusscher
Connie
Dirk is probably the best active PF ...but its a close call...A case could be made for
Pau,Amare,KG and Aldrdge....
He barely makes the Top 10 active (at any position)
Lebron
Rose
CP3
Wade
Durant
Kobe
Melo
Howard
Dirk
He's a forward. I don't think it's an insult to him to say he's not a real power forward. Blake Griffin was the best PF in the NBA this year.
Dirk has come close but he's never averaged 10 rebounds in a year. I'll bet that can't be said about any of the all-time great PFs. He's a hybrid.
What does that mean?
I've been here over 5 years....have had plenty of disagreements with folks, good and bad....but this is the first time I've been moved to say this.
FUCK YOU
And I mean that in the nicest, whitest way possible.
laughable.
based on PER @ the PF spot, regular season. There's a big jump between 2 and 6.
1 Kevin Love, MIN 24.39
2 Dirk Nowitzki, DAL 23.52
3 Pau Gasol, LAL 23.33
4 Amare Stoudemire, NY 22.78
5 Zach Randolph, MEM 22.67
6 Blake Griffin, LAC 21.93
7 LaMarcus Aldridge, POR 21.57
8 Kevin Garnett, BOS 20.67
9 David West, NO 20.51
10 Paul Millsap, UTAH 19.83
Seriously....you just watched that Lakers/mavs series and are willing to suggest Pau is as good or possibly better than Dirk?
Five years ago I'd agree with KG....today, not so much.
Amare's career will be summed up as an underacheiver.
Aldridge is a beast, but a few years away from greatness.
I'm not saying Pau is better than Dirk but a strong case could be made that he is......Bosh is having a better series than KG, but it doesn't mean he's a better player.
Slight resume of the one person who actually suggested that Dirk Nowitzki is a top 10 all-time NBA player, Rick Carlisle.
Now, I don't agree either necessarily, but his opinion is about a million times more appropriate than anyone's who might even think about posting in this thread.
AGain. Dirk will finish somewhere around 15th alltime in Points. Gasol somewhere below 115th. Keep pluggin away holmes.
Okay hispanic, caucasian or Asian dude from California!
I think Dirk was 75% or higher when guarded by dude last week.
Gasol has never beat Dirk once in a playoff game, going back to Memphis.
To think Gasol is sniffin' Dirk's jock is laughable.
Y'all fail to realize the reason Dirk hasn't won shit is at the feet of Cubes, Nellie Jr. and Avery. He's had BS squads.
When Dirk's personal life crumbled in full view of the media, he busted out for 39/11 against Denver. Gasol went into a fetus position when his personal life crumbled behind closed doors.
Dirk has continually been let down at every turn by his team, yet he has stuck with them, re-signing for less money to finish his career a Mav.
OUTMODED AS FUCK YOU NIMWITS.
Jason Kidd will finish #2 on the all time assists list....
Kidd > Magic
b/w
I never said Pau was better than Dirk