Hell, I grew up listening to NGE rap, as I suspect that a lot of white dudes on this site did and, while I think a lot of the ideas propounded by the NGE about white people are ridiculous, I've never felt morally impelled to boycott rap with that type of content.
I thought of this too, as I was an 8th grader bumping Da Lench Mob...after that, I can't say I'd boycott much based on what it said about me.
Carol Oschin and J.P. Fillet say they were at The Improv on April 22 when Richards took the stage. They say that in the middle of Richards' skit, a man in the audience said something to the comedian, when Richards allegedly launched into an anti-Semitic rant. According to Oschin, Richards screamed at the audience member, "You f***ing Jew. You people are the cause of Jesus dying."
...Richards' publicist, Howard Rubenstein, confirmed to TMZ that Richards did make derogatory comments about Jews...
now the big question is, does this matter to anyone and if so do you put it at an equal place with his comments from this week?
Carol Oschin and J.P. Fillet say they were at The Improv on April 22 when Richards took the stage. They say that in the middle of Richards' skit, a man in the audience said something to the comedian, when Richards allegedly launched into an anti-Semitic rant. According to Oschin, Richards screamed at the audience member, "You f***ing Jew. You people are the cause of Jesus dying."
...Richards' publicist, Howard Rubenstein, confirmed to TMZ that Richards did make derogatory comments about Jews...
now the big question is, does this matter to anyone and if so do you put it at an equal place with his comments from this week?
It matters, and it's disgusting, and those past comments are equal to this week's comments minus the impact of video documentation.
'By now all of us have heard about or seen the video of the crazed Michael 'Kramer' Richards spewing racial epithets at an LA comedy club. Its got everyone talking including the good folks over at the Luv4self listerve where someone poised the question as to why no one within LA's notorious gangs had not dealt with Kramer since they are so quick to deal with everyone else for seemingly lesser offenses. The question brought to mind something my sister had alerted me too regarding Richards. She told me that 1-This wasn't the first time he had a racial meltdown. The only thing is this time it got caught on tape. 2- In one memorable night some LA gangstas did step to him.
I'm not sure if this story has been put out there, but my sis used to work as a comedian at the Comedy Store and according to her Kramer was a frequent performer. Folks in LA may recall they used to have some sort of Monday night Black comedy night there and on this one evening Kramer came on stage and pulled the same nonsense. He respoonded to a heckler by calling the audience a bunch of niggers and basically went off in a way that as similar to the other night.
Mitzy the owner of the Comedy Store shut down his mic and tried to get him off stage as quickly as possible. However, it was too little too late. Some of the gang members in the audience decided they were gonna step to Richards and began to roll up on him. One cat reached into his jacket and was talked out of pulling his piece by another patron who told him it wasn't worth it. However some weren't trying to hear it and went outside to wait on Richards so thy could deal with him.
Mitzy asked the security to escort Kramer out the club but because of the waiting gang members they all refused to go anywhere near him. Eventually Kramer was able to sneak out the club through another entrance. Believe it or not it wasn't that long after this incident that Kramer got hired by to play Kramer on Seinfeld..
My sis told me that she heard of one other 'Kramer nigger meltdown' in addition to the one she actually witnessed. Her conclusion is dude has long been a racist and has long had a problem.
The main problem is within comedy circles, its pretty much like the music industry, where its very close knit and you have a lot of folks who are so desperate to get on, that they tolerate all sorts of abuse both from employers and fellow comics especially those who have made it or look like they are gonna make it..
Also there's a thin line between being funny and using racial humor to make your point and losing it on stage and making things personal. Kramers rant was way different then say somebody like an Andrew Dice Clay who may have gotten on stage and make racially charged jokes. Usually folks will stay in character and it will be obvious that they are making jokes even if they are harsh. Dude crossed the line in a big way and anyone defending him is simply trying to hedge their bets and win some ass kissing brownie points from industry gate keepers.
My biggest concern is over hearing the reaction from some hotel employees as I was checking out of my room in Seattle yesterday. One was Filipino, the other was Mexican and one was an older white woman. The Filipino woman said to her co workers as they were watching CNN
'I don't uinderstand why they're making such a big deal when Black people use the word all the time. She also went on to say she and her girls call each other nigga and its no big deal. Some of her girls are Black and they call her nigger so why is everyone upset', she asked
The Mexican cat related the same sentiments by saying 'they are making way too big a deal out of this and people need to stop being sensitive'.
The white woman asked how come nobody says anything about all the rappers who use the N word. As they showed the roundtable of leaders, she asked where are all these leaders when these foul mouth rappers keep using the N word.
It somehing to think about....'
Those last comments from the mexican and white woman.....
Basically why a Seinfeld boycott is necessary and why dude WILL work again in hollywood and why his Letterman appearance was a joke and why anyone who attempts to pity this dude is a bitch like him
word, i feel you on that. im suprised he did that shit again after some dudes rolled up on him when he did it before. i gotta say though, let's say a video of that original incident comes up. do you think it would really change anything in the big picture? i wanna be optimistic about things but im really thinking no
there are a lot of items of entertainment that i don't watch because of the "artists" that have a hand in it, and for a lot more trivial reasons than this incident, after this i can understand how folks would be steamed by watching an episode of sienfeld and looking at richards racist face
and i dont think anyone would say your a racist or a racist sympathizer if you still watched the reruns, am i wrong?
and in hopes of breaking the "over hyped private press" post from a couple years ago... should the two dudes that richards was yelling at get cash cause of this? they are dealing with gloria allred now
and you dudes looking for skrewdriver records are kinda fucked up...
... should the two dudes that richards was yelling at get cash cause of this? they are dealing with Gloria Allred now
do they have an asking price?
in my opinion seeking money from Michael Richards would be like saying you can call a black man a nigger just as long as you give him money to do so.
is money really going to fix this problem?
DocMcCoy"Go and laugh in your own country!" 5,917 Posts
so how many of you "boycotters" are throwing away your Ike Turner and James Brown records?
none of you are.
Wow, ya'll really have...whats the word? I cant remember, my vocabulary is so small...help me Drewn...what was it?
So, if a non-white actor got up on stage and sincerely yelled the worst things about white folks you could possibly imagine, you would still support their craft by watching their TV shows?
If your principles don't kick in after that, then you're a sucker, and the real joke is on you.
I'm being 100% serious.....
We've already established the fact that there is no white equivilent to the "N" word and that there is nothing that can be said to a caucasion that would equal the impact that using that word has.
So what could a "non-white" possibly say that would elicit that emotion??
That white people are evil and responsible for everything that's bad with the world??
That we're white "devils"??
That we eat a lot of mayonaise and have no rhythm??
Seriously, what can someone say derogatory about white people that isn't already being said, and accepted as appropriate??
I won't be insulted, but please give me an example of what could be said about whitey that would hurt us in the same way as Richard's words hurt the black community??
"White folks are the majority, Nothing I say about them will make any difference. It's meaningless. Blacks are 11%, with most of the men in jail, OK? Worst case scenario, if blacks said "fuck all the white guys, let's go get 'em", we'd get stomped. There'd be a black holocaust. Again." - Chris Rock, Arena Magazine, 1999
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I thought of this too, as I was an 8th grader bumping Da Lench Mob...after that, I can't say I'd boycott much based on what it said about me.
I'm glad someone was paying attention
http://www.tmz.com/2006/11/22/richards-rant-not-the-first-time/
Carol Oschin and J.P. Fillet say they were at The Improv on April 22 when Richards took the stage. They say that in the middle of Richards' skit, a man in the audience said something to the comedian, when Richards allegedly launched into an anti-Semitic rant. According to Oschin, Richards screamed at the audience member, "You f***ing Jew. You people are the cause of Jesus dying."
...Richards' publicist, Howard Rubenstein, confirmed to TMZ that Richards did make derogatory comments about Jews...
now the big question is, does this matter to anyone and if so do you put it at an equal place with his comments from this week?
i thought this was an interesting and rational take on the issue.
Article from here: http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseac...bb-23af8e7f9338
'By now all of us have heard about or seen the video of the crazed Michael 'Kramer' Richards spewing racial epithets at an LA comedy club. Its got everyone talking including the good folks over at the Luv4self listerve where someone poised the question as to why no one within LA's notorious gangs had not dealt with Kramer since they are so quick to deal with everyone else for seemingly lesser offenses. The question brought to mind something my sister had alerted me too regarding Richards. She told me that 1-This wasn't the first time he had a racial meltdown. The only thing is this time it got caught on tape. 2- In one memorable night some LA gangstas did step to him.
I'm not sure if this story has been put out there, but my sis used to work as a comedian at the Comedy Store and according to her Kramer was a frequent performer. Folks in LA may recall they used to have some sort of Monday night Black comedy night there and on this one evening Kramer came on stage and pulled the same nonsense. He respoonded to a heckler by calling the audience a bunch of niggers and basically went off in a way that as similar to the other night.
Mitzy the owner of the Comedy Store shut down his mic and tried to get him off stage as quickly as possible. However, it was too little too late. Some of the gang members in the audience decided they were gonna step to Richards and began to roll up on him. One cat reached into his jacket and was talked out of pulling his piece by another patron who told him it wasn't worth it. However some weren't trying to hear it and went outside to wait on Richards so thy could deal with him.
Mitzy asked the security to escort Kramer out the club but because of the waiting gang members they all refused to go anywhere near him. Eventually Kramer was able to sneak out the club through another entrance. Believe it or not it wasn't that long after this incident that Kramer got hired by to play Kramer on Seinfeld..
My sis told me that she heard of one other 'Kramer nigger meltdown' in addition to the one she actually witnessed. Her conclusion is dude has long been a racist and has long had a problem.
The main problem is within comedy circles, its pretty much like the music industry, where its very close knit and you have a lot of folks who are so desperate to get on, that they tolerate all sorts of abuse both from employers and fellow comics especially those who have made it or look like they are gonna make it..
Also there's a thin line between being funny and using racial humor to make your point and losing it on stage and making things personal. Kramers rant was way different then say somebody like an Andrew Dice Clay who may have gotten on stage and make racially charged jokes. Usually folks will stay in character and it will be obvious that they are making jokes even if they are harsh. Dude crossed the line in a big way and anyone defending him is simply trying to hedge their bets and win some ass kissing brownie points from industry gate keepers.
My biggest concern is over hearing the reaction from some hotel employees as I was checking out of my room in Seattle yesterday. One was Filipino, the other was Mexican and one was an older white woman. The Filipino woman said to her co workers as they were watching CNN
'I don't uinderstand why they're making such a big deal when Black people use the word all the time. She also went on to say she and her girls call each other nigga and its no big deal. Some of her girls are Black and they call her nigger so why is everyone upset', she asked
The Mexican cat related the same sentiments by saying 'they are making way too big a deal out of this and people need to stop being sensitive'.
The white woman asked how come nobody says anything about all the rappers who use the N word. As they showed the roundtable of leaders, she asked where are all these leaders when these foul mouth rappers keep using the N word.
It somehing to think about....'
Those last comments from the mexican and white woman.....
you like notwist
you sound white &
not cool
So my band played a song at practice tonight in which our singer shouted:
"Michael Richards is a ni**er" repeatedly.
Should my band be banned?
and i dont think anyone would say your a racist or a racist sympathizer if you still watched the reruns, am i wrong?
and in hopes of breaking the "over hyped private press" post from a couple years ago... should the two dudes that richards was yelling at get cash cause of this? they are dealing with gloria allred now
and you dudes looking for skrewdriver records are kinda fucked up...
do they have an asking price?
in my opinion seeking money from Michael Richards would be like saying you can call a black man a nigger just as long as you give him money to do so.
is money really going to fix this problem?
"White folks are the majority, Nothing I say about them will make any difference. It's meaningless. Blacks are 11%, with most of the men in jail, OK? Worst case scenario, if blacks said "fuck all the white guys, let's go get 'em", we'd get stomped. There'd be a black holocaust. Again." - Chris Rock, Arena Magazine, 1999
So what are y'all's thoughts about it...are rascist words really more offensive than misogynist actions?
The only thing whites have zero tolerance for is 9/11 ...There is no racial slur or other historical tragedy that draws genuine anger from all whites
You have to be kidding.
I'm not a woman...i can't answer for women ....if i did i'd be a misogynist
i'm listening
So white people can't be offended by racism, no way no how?