She Hate Me (2004) - GOOD[/b] 25th Hour (2002) - GOOD[/b] Bamboozled (2000) - NO GOOD[/b] Summer of Sam (1999) - EHH[/b] He Got Game (1998) - KINDA GOOD[/b] 4 Little Girls (1997) - GOOD[/b] Girl 6 (1996) - WEAK [/b] Malcolm X (1992) - GOOD[/b] Jungle Fever (1991) - GOOD[/b] Mo' Better Blues (1990) -EHH[/b] Do the Right Thing (1989) - EXCELLENT[/b] School Daze (1988) - GOOD[/b] She's Gotta Have It (1986) - EHH[/b]
You forgot Crooklyn. That's my favourite. Kid spraying whipcream in his mouth was my early 70s childhood.
Big Stacks, I've been wondering for a minute how a white person like myself can actually do something concrete to erase the inequalities without coming across as a wannabe-savior head-patter.
send me a cashier's check
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA....
I remember getting surrounded by police in the middle of the night in some podunk town in the middle of nowhere texas (long story), they had their lights on me and shit, and I remember thinking "jesus christ, thank GOD I am a white male". I was still nervous about being from california though... And I was like "damn, i'm fucked", but not as fucked as I would be if I was black, or mexican, or whatever. Seriously.
The big question is NOT "why can black people say it but we can't?"
The big question IS "why are you spending so much time worrying about it????"
cause it burns some white motherfuckers up that theres one privilege that they dont have!
Big Stacks, I've been wondering for a minute how a white person like myself can actually do something concrete to erase the inequalities without coming across as a wannabe-savior head-patter.
work on social justice issues in your own community. and dont say there are none, cause every supermarket has products from corporations doing severely fucked up things. if you put pressure on them (especially from the people up top) you can affect things on a national, even international, level.
getting people to address and come to terms with their (often unstated) priviliges can be a very positive exercise.
Back to the subject at hand though, if you are challenging people on whether or not something you do is racist, a good idea might be to not do it all. I mean, if you have to PROVE to people that you aren't racist DESPITE your actions... well.... maybe you have some growing up to do.
I'm not quite sure what your point is. Now I'm supposed to like Spike Lee, so I won't have to prove to people I'm not racist?
i believe he was refering to the original poster
Right. I dont really care what people think of Spike Lee. But it does get on my nerves when certain folks want to go on and on why its ok for them to say Nigga or whatever. Basically, what I meant was this:
1. If you have to use your "black friends" as an excuse or as a "pass" for whatever it is your doing, then grow up.
2. If the only reason you have "black friends" is because it makes you feel "down", then guess what? You probably aren't really a friend at all. What you are is a minstrel in blackface imitating a race without having to suffer the negative aspects of really being part of that race because it satisfies some inner longing to be part of something, i.e. you probably have self esteem issues, or issues with "fitting in". I dont doubt that you enjoy the company of your "black friends", but really, honestly ask yourself, if you weren't fascinated by the culture and music or whatever, would you still have these friends? If you were a die-hard punk rocker, would these dudes be your friends?
The fact is, who your friends are doesn't give you a "pass" for jack shit. If you and your friends are comfortable calling each other "nigga" then have a fucking field day. In the mean time, outside the gates of your own private mind garden is what we call the "real world", where shit isn't that simple.
To my black strutter brethren that want to know why we are dying to say "nigga":
The answer is because most people have an urge to emulate that which they think is "cool". I won't even front, I STILL do to a certain degree. And if you are a white kid, or a mexican kid, or whatever, and these rap stars are your idols, you're bound to want to emulate it, and desire to be a "part of it". Especially in the case of rap music (as opposed to daily american life) the white person is generally excluded. There are many white people who are telling themselves that "oh- thats not me... I'm down... I'm not some square ass white dude... I listen to rap... I understand the black experience...blah blah blah". Even though all the know of the so-called "black experience" is what they hear in rap music and see in rap videos. But to be a part of it, you have to act the part, so here they are.... Wearing baggy clothes and fake chains and tilted hats and doo-rags. Calling each other Nigga. And the excuse is always "well, thats the music I like, these are the clothes I like, can't I do what I like??" I garuntee there will always be kids like this, with the "I'm down for the culture... I like black culture better than my own..." And eventually they will grow up and grow out of it. I think its just a phase, and part of growing up. Like getting a mohawk if you're into the punk rock scene. You are emulating what you think is cool. Growing a mohawk isn't the same as calling everybody Nigga though, because the reaction from people is different, even if the motivation (fitting in with what you think is cool) is the same.
So I can grow a mohawk but cant say "nigga" cuz I'm white?!?!?! DAMN RIGHT! NOW GROW UP!!!!
If you are tring to be "down" with a whole fucking race of people you are an idiot. Just be nice to people, for chrissakes. Wave hi to your neighbor and shit. If you are a good person with honest intentions then in the end you'll be "down" with whoever you meet.
If you are tring to be "down" with a whole fucking race of people you are an idiot. Just be nice to people, for chrissakes. Wave hi to your neighbor and shit. If you are a good person with honest intentions then in the end you'll be "down" with whoever you meet.
Even though all the know of the so-called "black experience" is what they hear in rap music and see in rap videos.
Actually if people are listening to hip-hop and seeing it as the only black expereince then it's a big fucking problem. Actually it is happening.
I have know this one cat, white dude from the suburbs thows super backpacker rap shows and like to define himself as a "hustla" since he's just living off of shows and deejaying. Anyways he was talking about an acquaitance, who happend to be black:
"You know b***e is cool and all, but he doesn't act like a real nigger....like a real black person, like he's all polite and nice and cool and shit".
And that's a problem I think is happening with hip-hop and these fools. Like if you're not acting a certain way you're looked at as a square peg or not "down or official" and in the process it kind of sets up this scenario of racism in folks minds.
damn dizzy, that was no rant, that was your most well stated post ever. you on the wagon or something?
that whole shit is just identity crisis symptoms. everyone of all races goes through them in their own way as they walk down the path of knowledge of self.
the everpresent subject of race is constantly hovering over every aspect of life in america.
If you are tring to be "down" with a whole fucking race of people you are an idiot. Just be nice to people, for chrissakes.[/b] Wave hi to your neighbor and shit. If you are a good person with honest intentions then in the end you'll be "down" with whoever you meet.
Even though all the know of the so-called "black experience" is what they hear in rap music and see in rap videos.
Actually if people are listening to hip-hop and seeing it as the only black expereince then it's a big fucking problem. Actually it is happening.
I have know this one cat, white dude from the suburbs thows super backpacker rap shows and like to define himself as a "hustla" since he's just living off of shows and deejaying. Anyways he was talking about an acquaitance, who happend to be black:
"You know b***e is cool and all, but he doesn't act like a real nigger....like a real black person, like he's all polite and nice and cool and shit".
And that's a problem I think is happening with hip-hop and these fools. Like if you're not acting a certain way you're looked at as a square peg or not "down or official" and in the process it kind of sets up this scenario of racism in folks minds.
but videos/music/television/marketing is also affecting a lot of young Black kids who feel they should be acting in a certain way.
there will always be kids like this, with the "I'm down for the culture... I like black culture better than my own..." And eventually they will grow up and get an account on soulstrut where they'll be free to obsess over black culture in a "respectable" manner
Even though all the know of the so-called "black experience" is what they hear in rap music and see in rap videos.
Actually if people are listening to hip-hop and seeing it as the only black expereince then it's a big fucking problem. Actually it is happening.
I have know this one cat, white dude from the suburbs thows super backpacker rap shows and like to define himself as a "hustla" since he's just living off of shows and deejaying. Anyways he was talking about an acquaitance, who happend to be black:
"You know b***e is cool and all, but he doesn't act like a real nigger....like a real black person, like he's all polite and nice and cool and shit".
And that's a problem I think is happening with hip-hop and these fools. Like if you're not acting a certain way you're looked at as a square peg or not "down or official" and in the process it kind of sets up this scenario of racism in folks minds.
but videos/music/television/marketing is also affecting a lot of young Black kids who feel they should be acting in a certain way.
word, it all goes hand in hand (NO OCEAN DRUMBREAK).
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no, just call them "dude"
i dunno but white dudes always call me Bro...and i hate that shit with a passion...i know they dont mean any harm but...it annoys the fuck outta me
I have a white friend that calls me Nilla...as in Vanilla, that's funny
I have to say that I haven't seen any chris marker. Shameful I know. Makes me want to pull down my avatar.
Bresson? Ma[/b] merde, aussi, grand-p??re shig!
I think you just broke my AY-YO-omoter.
Ha! I have a friend that works for Dreyer's Ice Cream. He likes to say he's "stackin' the scrilla by slangin' the 'nilla."
is that enough?
Dont you have papers to write! Stop screwing around on Soul Strut!
Every[/b] white person wants to use this word?
cause it burns some white motherfuckers up that theres one privilege that they dont have!
work on social justice issues in your own community. and dont say there are none, cause every supermarket has products from corporations doing severely fucked up things. if you put pressure on them (especially from the people up top) you can affect things on a national, even international, level.
getting people to address and come to terms with their (often unstated) priviliges can be a very positive exercise.
good question macbeef
wow. thats an amazing title. well put
A great title attached to a rather disappointing book...
the manilla gorilla!!!!
Right. I dont really care what people think of Spike Lee. But it does get on my nerves when certain folks want to go on and on why its ok for them to say Nigga or whatever. Basically, what I meant was this:
1. If you have to use your "black friends" as an excuse or as a "pass" for whatever it is your doing, then grow up.
2. If the only reason you have "black friends" is because it makes you feel "down", then guess what? You probably aren't really a friend at all. What you are is a minstrel in blackface imitating a race without having to suffer the negative aspects of really being part of that race because it satisfies some inner longing to be part of something, i.e. you probably have self esteem issues, or issues with "fitting in". I dont doubt that you enjoy the company of your "black friends", but really, honestly ask yourself, if you weren't fascinated by the culture and music or whatever, would you still have these friends? If you were a die-hard punk rocker, would these dudes be your friends?
The fact is, who your friends are doesn't give you a "pass" for jack shit. If you and your friends are comfortable calling each other "nigga" then have a fucking field day. In the mean time, outside the gates of your own private mind garden is what we call the "real world", where shit isn't that simple.
To my black strutter brethren that want to know why we are dying to say "nigga":
The answer is because most people have an urge to emulate that which they think is "cool". I won't even front, I STILL do to a certain degree. And if you are a white kid, or a mexican kid, or whatever, and these rap stars are your idols, you're bound to want to emulate it, and desire to be a "part of it". Especially in the case of rap music (as opposed to daily american life) the white person is generally excluded. There are many white people who are telling themselves that "oh- thats not me... I'm down... I'm not some square ass white dude... I listen to rap... I understand the black experience...blah blah blah". Even though all the know of the so-called "black experience" is what they hear in rap music and see in rap videos. But to be a part of it, you have to act the part, so here they are.... Wearing baggy clothes and fake chains and tilted hats and doo-rags. Calling each other Nigga. And the excuse is always "well, thats the music I like, these are the clothes I like, can't I do what I like??" I garuntee there will always be kids like this, with the "I'm down for the culture... I like black culture better than my own..." And eventually they will grow up and grow out of it. I think its just a phase, and part of growing up. Like getting a mohawk if you're into the punk rock scene. You are emulating what you think is cool. Growing a mohawk isn't the same as calling everybody Nigga though, because the reaction from people is different, even if the motivation (fitting in with what you think is cool) is the same.
So I can grow a mohawk but cant say "nigga" cuz I'm white?!?!?! DAMN RIGHT! NOW GROW UP!!!!
If you are tring to be "down" with a whole fucking race of people you are an idiot. Just be nice to people, for chrissakes. Wave hi to your neighbor and shit. If you are a good person with honest intentions then in the end you'll be "down" with whoever you meet.
ok, rant over.
i didn't read this thread, but i like that.
you on the wagon or something?
that whole shit is just identity crisis symptoms. everyone of all races goes through them in their own way as they walk down the path of knowledge of self.
the everpresent subject of race is constantly hovering over every aspect of life in america.
co-fucking-sign
that was great