Bun B vs. Byron Crawford
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As posted by the bol jdeez elsewhere:Southerners quit yer bitchin New rule: Southern rap fans are no longer allowed to pretend as if theyre being discriminated against.
Posted In: Columnists, Bol's Saturday Night Workout by Byron Crawford Pseudo intelligent music critics, who make their living patronizing certain elements in the black community, like to claim that backpackers are the most annoying group of fans in hip-hop. Im going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the true most annoying group of fans in hip-hop (other than, of course, women) are fans of southern hip-hop. The knock against backpackers seems to be that theyre boring and negative. They spend too much time telling you what theyre against rather than actually telling you what theyre for. Many of them even have the sheer balls to suggest hip-hop is not nearly as good as it used to be. For business purposes, hip-hop cant appear any better or worse during any given year, at least until the TIs find something to replace it. Reggaeton, perhaps Southern rap fans, meanwhile, make it a point to draw no distinction between the best and the worst their particular segment of the hip-hop community has to offer. They may not actually pretend to like Laffy Taffy, but theyll be quick to call your ass a bigot if you suggest that its arguably historys greatest abortion in musical form. And they all rallied around Pimp C as if he was Leonard Peltier or somebody, but come to find out he can hardly rap. Is everybody aware that he was locked up for pulling out a gun on a woman in a mall Personally, I dont find his release fair to all the rest of us men who have resisted the urge to commit an act of violence against a woman. As far as Im concerned, his ass should go back to jail. Wheres the hip-hop feminism community when you need them Wait, does this constitute snitching, or would it have to be your sister or something I generally advocate staying out of another couples business, even if it is in a public place such as a mall. I can understand that this is the first time their communities have produced anything the critical establishment even pretended to like since the heyday of Blind Melon and Better than Ezra (UGK fans, do your homework), but Im not going to sit here and pretend to like something I dont really like, especially if I have no financial stake in the matter. The truth of the matter is that the southern rap of today, both in its style of rappin and especially its beats, bears very little relation to the hip-hop most of us grew up listening to. In that sense, its not unlike disco was to rock music in the late 70s. Interestingly enough, disco artists also tried to cry racism when rock fans burned disco albums on the field at Chicagos Comiskey Park. In 2006, southern rap is the style of rap music that the tall Israelis who run the music industry have decided to promote, to the detriment of all other styles of rap music. Therefore, not unlike the Mexicans who think theyre retaking Americas Southwest, fans of southern rap no longer have any legitimate claim that theyre being discriminated against.
And here's what Bun B said Bun B Says: April 4th, 2006 at 12:35 pm Who the fuck are you to sit behind you safe little cubicle and criticize who we are and what we do For more than 20 years. Southern Artists and fans have faithfully supported any and all hip hop that was offered. We accepetced everyone on their own merits, gave evryone a fair listen, and then spoke. In light of you comments and views, it occured to me that you havent given near as much open mindedness to our music as we have to yours. The reasons I say yours is that it doensnt what type of music came out, we supported it, so we in no doubt supported whatever the fuck you listen to. To think that all we know is what we do, or that we may know nothing at all is preposterous. If youre a paying member of Soundscan, you can see that ALL MUSIC SELLS IN THE SOUTH! 5 percenter Bought it. Backpackers Bought it. Black power, Wu-Tang, horrorcore, need I say more Meanwhile, after 25 years of unconditionally holdin down all forms of rap/hiphop music, as soon as we even try to join a club we bought and help build the clubhouse for, they wanna deny us access. Well guess what you Elks lodge habitatin, Masters in Augusta wanna-be, finger-pointin behind the bushes, throwin a rock and runnin ass nigga, I just thought Id tell you to take whatever preconcieved notions you have built up in your air and watertight cranium AND STICK IT IN YO PUSSY! I guarentee you the TRUE FANS AND MAKERS OF HIP HOP JUST MIGHT DIFFER WITH YOU! I know this because I am friends with Cool Herc, Grandmaster Caz, Melle Mel, Big Daddy Kane, Kool G Rap and other extremely well known originators and creators of this artform. The problem now is the act of causing division and dissention amongst the fans by people whom are not in the know. You see, YOU may not like Laffy Taffy or DFB or whoever, and you know what, thats your GOD-given right. Hate all you want on the South, Southern rappers, or just Pimp C, since you brought him up. IT STILL WONT HELP WHOEVER YOU LIKE SELL SHIT! Talib Kweli: close friend of UGK. De La Soul: close friends of UGK. Kanye West, Common, Dead Prez, close firends of UGK. Jam Master Jay, 2 Pac, Biggie Smalls: ALL FUCKING FANS OF UGK, and I dont say this from second hand conversation. These people told me this from their own mouths, yet you would have people believe otherwise. They could learn to be openminded about the music the listened and the regions the music was popular in, so it should come at no surprise these people went further thatn the average artists. Whatever alterior motive you may have is trying to bring down the Southern rise, it wont work. God kills hate with love. Oh yeah, by the way, as far as your comments on my brother and his reason for incarceration, he pulled a gun on a group of people thrreatening him in a mall. Only the girl went back and told the police, thats why it seems as if it was between only him and the girl. The problem is, misinformed people give misinformation and cause misfortune to the learing. I hate to call this the blind leading the blind, because by the look of your commment posts, they know whats up. So instead of just going to New York, screaming and ranting in White Niggas office, I came to see you on your turf, because Im no coward. Im willing to come in your yard: care to come in mine Right a rhyme, let;s see what you have the hip-hop community musically. Oh and make sure its Grammy-nominated when you do it, because mine was. And while youre at it ask Nas, Jay-Z, Papoose, Camron,, Russell Simmons, 50 Cent, Fat Joe, Chino XL, Self Scientific, Cyrpess ill, Snoop Dogg, Ludacris or anybody else in this industry you like if Pimp C is wack. I bet they bark on you louder than I want to. God forbid youre in the wrong place and the wrong time like Pimp and have to spend 4 years of your life behind bars. Youre a black man, so fuck how educated and well read you are. Youll ride just like Pimp, and youll be sorry about it, just like Pimp. The only difference: nobodys gonna wear a fuckin t-shirt with yo face on it. Leave the South alone, becausse were just tryin to eat. Quit bloggin and write a book if you got more goin on besides gossip and shootin slugs. Because after blogging has come and gone, and XXL is no longer on stands or online(which I would hate to see), UGK and our musical legacy will survive. Will your triflin rants sustain.
Posted In: Columnists, Bol's Saturday Night Workout by Byron Crawford Pseudo intelligent music critics, who make their living patronizing certain elements in the black community, like to claim that backpackers are the most annoying group of fans in hip-hop. Im going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the true most annoying group of fans in hip-hop (other than, of course, women) are fans of southern hip-hop. The knock against backpackers seems to be that theyre boring and negative. They spend too much time telling you what theyre against rather than actually telling you what theyre for. Many of them even have the sheer balls to suggest hip-hop is not nearly as good as it used to be. For business purposes, hip-hop cant appear any better or worse during any given year, at least until the TIs find something to replace it. Reggaeton, perhaps Southern rap fans, meanwhile, make it a point to draw no distinction between the best and the worst their particular segment of the hip-hop community has to offer. They may not actually pretend to like Laffy Taffy, but theyll be quick to call your ass a bigot if you suggest that its arguably historys greatest abortion in musical form. And they all rallied around Pimp C as if he was Leonard Peltier or somebody, but come to find out he can hardly rap. Is everybody aware that he was locked up for pulling out a gun on a woman in a mall Personally, I dont find his release fair to all the rest of us men who have resisted the urge to commit an act of violence against a woman. As far as Im concerned, his ass should go back to jail. Wheres the hip-hop feminism community when you need them Wait, does this constitute snitching, or would it have to be your sister or something I generally advocate staying out of another couples business, even if it is in a public place such as a mall. I can understand that this is the first time their communities have produced anything the critical establishment even pretended to like since the heyday of Blind Melon and Better than Ezra (UGK fans, do your homework), but Im not going to sit here and pretend to like something I dont really like, especially if I have no financial stake in the matter. The truth of the matter is that the southern rap of today, both in its style of rappin and especially its beats, bears very little relation to the hip-hop most of us grew up listening to. In that sense, its not unlike disco was to rock music in the late 70s. Interestingly enough, disco artists also tried to cry racism when rock fans burned disco albums on the field at Chicagos Comiskey Park. In 2006, southern rap is the style of rap music that the tall Israelis who run the music industry have decided to promote, to the detriment of all other styles of rap music. Therefore, not unlike the Mexicans who think theyre retaking Americas Southwest, fans of southern rap no longer have any legitimate claim that theyre being discriminated against.
And here's what Bun B said Bun B Says: April 4th, 2006 at 12:35 pm Who the fuck are you to sit behind you safe little cubicle and criticize who we are and what we do For more than 20 years. Southern Artists and fans have faithfully supported any and all hip hop that was offered. We accepetced everyone on their own merits, gave evryone a fair listen, and then spoke. In light of you comments and views, it occured to me that you havent given near as much open mindedness to our music as we have to yours. The reasons I say yours is that it doensnt what type of music came out, we supported it, so we in no doubt supported whatever the fuck you listen to. To think that all we know is what we do, or that we may know nothing at all is preposterous. If youre a paying member of Soundscan, you can see that ALL MUSIC SELLS IN THE SOUTH! 5 percenter Bought it. Backpackers Bought it. Black power, Wu-Tang, horrorcore, need I say more Meanwhile, after 25 years of unconditionally holdin down all forms of rap/hiphop music, as soon as we even try to join a club we bought and help build the clubhouse for, they wanna deny us access. Well guess what you Elks lodge habitatin, Masters in Augusta wanna-be, finger-pointin behind the bushes, throwin a rock and runnin ass nigga, I just thought Id tell you to take whatever preconcieved notions you have built up in your air and watertight cranium AND STICK IT IN YO PUSSY! I guarentee you the TRUE FANS AND MAKERS OF HIP HOP JUST MIGHT DIFFER WITH YOU! I know this because I am friends with Cool Herc, Grandmaster Caz, Melle Mel, Big Daddy Kane, Kool G Rap and other extremely well known originators and creators of this artform. The problem now is the act of causing division and dissention amongst the fans by people whom are not in the know. You see, YOU may not like Laffy Taffy or DFB or whoever, and you know what, thats your GOD-given right. Hate all you want on the South, Southern rappers, or just Pimp C, since you brought him up. IT STILL WONT HELP WHOEVER YOU LIKE SELL SHIT! Talib Kweli: close friend of UGK. De La Soul: close friends of UGK. Kanye West, Common, Dead Prez, close firends of UGK. Jam Master Jay, 2 Pac, Biggie Smalls: ALL FUCKING FANS OF UGK, and I dont say this from second hand conversation. These people told me this from their own mouths, yet you would have people believe otherwise. They could learn to be openminded about the music the listened and the regions the music was popular in, so it should come at no surprise these people went further thatn the average artists. Whatever alterior motive you may have is trying to bring down the Southern rise, it wont work. God kills hate with love. Oh yeah, by the way, as far as your comments on my brother and his reason for incarceration, he pulled a gun on a group of people thrreatening him in a mall. Only the girl went back and told the police, thats why it seems as if it was between only him and the girl. The problem is, misinformed people give misinformation and cause misfortune to the learing. I hate to call this the blind leading the blind, because by the look of your commment posts, they know whats up. So instead of just going to New York, screaming and ranting in White Niggas office, I came to see you on your turf, because Im no coward. Im willing to come in your yard: care to come in mine Right a rhyme, let;s see what you have the hip-hop community musically. Oh and make sure its Grammy-nominated when you do it, because mine was. And while youre at it ask Nas, Jay-Z, Papoose, Camron,, Russell Simmons, 50 Cent, Fat Joe, Chino XL, Self Scientific, Cyrpess ill, Snoop Dogg, Ludacris or anybody else in this industry you like if Pimp C is wack. I bet they bark on you louder than I want to. God forbid youre in the wrong place and the wrong time like Pimp and have to spend 4 years of your life behind bars. Youre a black man, so fuck how educated and well read you are. Youll ride just like Pimp, and youll be sorry about it, just like Pimp. The only difference: nobodys gonna wear a fuckin t-shirt with yo face on it. Leave the South alone, becausse were just tryin to eat. Quit bloggin and write a book if you got more goin on besides gossip and shootin slugs. Because after blogging has come and gone, and XXL is no longer on stands or online(which I would hate to see), UGK and our musical legacy will survive. Will your triflin rants sustain.
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damn the internet moves fast...
NOZ, can you please smack dude for me given that you too blog for XXL????
would appreciate it.
the 5 pager that'll ensue is exactly what byron wants to create. He's a button pusher, entertaining for sure, but a reactionist to say the least. So let's just take his blog w/ a grain of salt.....
$chitt....SlStrt would create a 10 pgr on this topic even if it started as a thread on grandma's favorite recipe's.
i say fire at will...
but you're probably right
So does this mean I'm allowed to like De La Soul again?
Only if it's De La chopped and screwed
Bun's blog comment game = championship calibre
I wish he would come post on SoulStrut.
# Tupac Shakur Says:
April 5th, 2006 at 1:34 pm
Any of you brain surgeons stop to think that you can post under anyname you want, and maybe, just maybe Bun B did not post that comment?
no,
please focus on Minnesota rap accompanied with Robutussin and Apple Cider
????
Better then Ezra?
Blind Mellon?
Is that the best dude could do?
Perhaps, but Matt Sonzala and several other people that know him seem to think that it actually is him.
Guy's an idiot--has never written anything worthwhile. Why his blog gets so much traffic I can't imagine.
It certainly is similar to his style of writing, both lyrically and in articles I've seen by him.
Side note: I read on another board that Byron and O-Dub got into it a while back--any details?
best comparison i've heard so far...
byron crawford = bill o'rielly...you know, nothing but the facts.
he's got traffic for the same reason you got like 9000 posts...
people love to hatt.
Stupid? Sure. But I found his response entertaining. Even made me laugh a few times.
1) it has become in vogue for intellectual rap critics to diss backpacker rap as boring and repetitive, while at the same time every few months they pick up on some regional rap and praise it as the next new shit without running it through the same critical analysis that they would for....let's say Common's Be. people will say this is comparing apples and oranges. i disagree. this is rap music. i've seen about a dozen articles in mainstream magazines this month talking about hyphy music as if the author just came back from some tiny village in the Sudan and came back to reveal this native music known as "hyphy". just tell me whether you think it is quality music.
2) he didnt exactly say this, but the whole "free pimp c" thing is cool if you actually know dude or the circumstances that put him in jail, but otherwise don't rock the t-shirt if, for all you know, dude molested a horse or beat up a grandmother.
DEFINITELY Phill.
controversy[/b]
They make bad
hiphopmusic[/b] all over the country.yeah, kinda surprise this quote:
hasn't garnered the soulstrut backlash yet.
i'm telling you, dude is like Bill O'Rielly; Come with a few facts, and then make every generalization you can based on those few facts.
yawn...
SG