That is the other issue at hand as well. I don't know if anyone has mentioned it in here, but within about a generation (40-50 years), the Israeli state is going to have a majority Arab population, assuming current trends remain steady.
The Isreali gov't should be preparing to swallow a whole jar of bitter pills when Arab-Israeli voters begin to elect Arab-Israeli leaders and Pro-Arab policies are adopted en masse. They only way out of THAT mess for Israel would be to, between now and then, do away with the whole democracy thing in general, before those chickens come home to roost.
This is definitely going a bit far in terms of characterizing what is happening..
I haven't checked this thread since last week (no time + being sick) so i've missed the current updates... but i'm up to speed now...
Why is it that these threads only pop up when Israel acts and not when there are suicide bombings within Israel?
Why does everyone say things like the Arabs live in ghettos in Gaza while there is NO MENTION of the BILLIONS upon BILLIONS of dollars given in AID over the last 40 years since 1967 (much of which has been put forth by Israel)? For a community the size of a medium sized American city (1.5 million people), surely, that money could have provided better infrastructure and economic opportunities for these people? Where is all that money? Where did it go? Any other area on the face of the globe would be quite well-developed with that much money having been donated...
Why does everyone say that the Arabs ultimately want a normal life and want co-existence when the very flag of Fatah (Mahmoud Abbas' 'moderate' party - who ultimately took over from super-terrorist Yasser Arafat) contains a flag of Palestine which totally encompasses the WHOLE area aka. NO Israel...
Why is it that no Arab country cried foul when HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of innocent, unarmed, non-Iranian Revolutionary guard trained, non-missile firing, non-suicide bombing, non-dedicated-to-pushing-another-group-of-people-into-the-sea innocent Sudanese were slaughtered (many raped violently beforehand) but expresses such anger over the assassination of a would-be suicide bomber? Wasn't this ethnic cleansing?
Why is that there is SUCH an uproar over this current act in the Arab / Israel saga while over Christmas HUNDREDS of again innocent, unarmed, non-Iranian Revolutionary guard trained, non-missile firing, non-suicide bombing, non-dedicated-to-pushing-another-group-of-people-into-the-sea Congolese Christians were slaughtered by the rebels, with roads leading to the area blocked by dead bodies strewn across to serve as an example by these murderous rebels? NOT ONE THREAD even mentioned this... wouldn't this be considered a war crime? Ethnic cleansing perhaps?
The fact that this topic breeds SUCH outrage among people who for the most part have NOTHING TO DO with either group involved while EVERY DAY war and brutality exist in regions the media chooses to overlook is crazy.
This is definitely going a bit far in terms of characterizing what is happening..
The ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians has been going on since 1948.
The same can be said for the Jews as well.
I'm rubber, you're glue?
I say this because what you wrote is the 'party line' so to speak... while it is equally true however MUCH less touted that the Jews faced the same at that time and if it wasn't for their national sacrifice in order to have an army, they would easily be under the same threat today.. either way, back to work... i'll check on this tomorrow...
This is definitely going a bit far in terms of characterizing what is happening..
The ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians has been going on since 1948.
The same can be said for the Jews as well.
I'm rubber, you're glue?
I say this because what you wrote is the 'party line' so to speak... while it is equally true however MUCH less touted that the Jews faced the same at that time and if it wasn't for their national sacrifice in order to have an army, they would easily be under the same threat today.. either way, back to work... i'll check on this tomorrow...
"MUCH less touted"
Thanks for that laugh... The sheer number of bestselling books and successful movies on the subject of Israeli independence is extraordinary. The 50s and 60s saw a GLUT of this stuff. Leon Uris --check that name on Wikipedia and then see what follows...
That is the other issue at hand as well. I don't know if anyone has mentioned it in here, but within about a generation (40-50 years), the Israeli state is going to have a majority Arab population, assuming current trends remain steady.
The Isreali gov't should be preparing to swallow a whole jar of bitter pills when Arab-Israeli voters begin to elect Arab-Israeli leaders and Pro-Arab policies are adopted en masse. They only way out of THAT mess for Israel would be to, between now and then, do away with the whole democracy thing in general, before those chickens come home to roost.
Just some perspective here: that headline is totally, utterly misleading.
The committee has not banned Arab parties per se; they have banned the two Arab parties that happen to now be represented in the Knesset. That's because (like Rabbi Kahane's party in the 80's) the current Arab parties have both run afoul of the law.
Arab parties are still free to form and to run, Arabs are still represented in the Knesset (as reps for the Communist Hadash party, the Labor party and GASP! even for Likud), and neither of these is ever likely to change.
That is the other issue at hand as well. I don't know if anyone has mentioned it in here, but within about a generation (40-50 years), the Israeli state is going to have a majority Arab population, assuming current trends remain steady.
The Isreali gov't should be preparing to swallow a whole jar of bitter pills when Arab-Israeli voters begin to elect Arab-Israeli leaders and Pro-Arab policies are adopted en masse. They only way out of THAT mess for Israel would be to, between now and then, do away with the whole democracy thing in general, before those chickens come home to roost.
Just some perspective here: that headline is totally, utterly misleading.
The committee has not banned Arab parties per se; they have banned the two Arab parties that happen to now be represented in the Knesset. That's because (like Rabbi Kahane's party in the 80's) the current Arab parties have both run afoul of the law.
Arab parties are still free to form and to run, Arabs are still represented in the Knesset (as reps for the Communist Hadash party, the Labor party and GASP! even for Likud), and neither of these is ever likely to change.
So yeah, that headline is on some WTF.
That lollipop is SOUR so it's not REALLY A LOLLIPOP.
That's at least 15 utterly disgusting instances of breaking international law worth of retaliation I'm certain.
I don't really think anyone could seriously be offended by such idiocy as displayed in these protest photos: Misguided, soft, middle class "activists" who paint a somehow mildly amusing but more so sad image of todays far left. There are also some disturbing if not entirely unpredictable tendencies to observe on T-shirts and banners. Especially the call for "war forever", "globalization of the Intifada" and the somehow familiar sounding idea to "target all Zionist businesses".
Interesting to see the many swastikas and holocaust comparisons especially considering that german nazis have recently also discovered a strong interest in fighting for the palestinian cause:
Hitler's "Mein Kampf" is a bestseller in many Arab countries by the way...
Your avatar was a bit too blurry for me to read but seeing it larger convinced me of its greatness: Too bad they didn't mannage to also incorporate global warming into this poster, otherwise I'd buy the T-shirt.
I wanted to write something serious at first but seeing how this thread has developed, I'm staying away from that...
I'm not watching too many American news these days, did anybody publish that Bush has denied an Isreali request for assistance in bombing nuclear plants in Iran and also denied permission to fly over Iraq?
Umm, what's your point? That because some sorry ass German neo-Nazi punks think it's cool to support the Palestinian cause, that makes all Palestinians Nazi symphatizers? It's good to remember that the majority of both Palestinians and Israeli Jews are secular people, not religious (or otherwise) extremists.
I think the more salient part of Frank's poast is the prevalence of anti-Semitism in the Arab and Muslim worlds, not the adoption of anti-Israel positions by European Nazis.
Europe Reimports Jew Hatred[/b] WSJ Online By DANIEL SCHWAMMENTHAL
Give Giancarlo Desiderati credit for his unintellectual honesty. While most left-wing detractors of Israel claim their animosity toward the Jewish state has nothing to do with anti-Semitism, the head of a small Italian union, Flaica-Uniti-Cub, wasted no time with such sophism. Having long called for a boycott of Israeli goods, Mr. Desiderati last week made the logical next step. "Do not buy anything from businesses run by the Jewish community," his group's Web site urged Italians. [State of the Union] Getty Images
Jews around Europe are increasingly under attack since Israel decided two weeks ago to defend itself after years of rocket fire at its civilian population. There have been arson attempts on synagogues in Britain, Belgium and Germany. Police last week arrested Muslim protesters who wanted to enter the Jewish quarter in Antwerp. Several Danish schools with large Muslim student bodies say they won't enroll Jewish kids because they can't guarantee the children's safety. In France, a group of teenagers attacked a 14-year-old girl last week, calling her "dirty Jew" while kicking her.
At rallies in Germany and the Netherlands over the past two weeks, protesters shouted, "Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the Gas." In Amsterdam, Socialist lawmaker Harry van Bommel and Greta Duisenberg, widow of the first European Central Bank president, marched at the front of one such "peace" demonstration. They didn't join in the background chorus calling for another Holocaust. Instead, they chanted, "Intifada, Intifada, Free Palestine." Mr. Van Bommel later insisted this wasn't a call for Jewish blood but for "civil disobedience" -- a laughable defense given that terrorists during the last intifada murdered more than 1,000 Israelis.
Most of the anti-Jewish violence and protests in Europe come from immigrants. In what may have been a Freudian recognition of the changing face of Europe, CNN two weeks ago used footage of anti-Israeli protesters in London in a report about the growing anger in the "Arab and Muslim world." The mythical Arab Street now reaches deep into Paris, London, Berlin and Madrid.
After a burning car was rammed into a gate outside a synagogue in Toulouse last week, President Nicolas Sarkozy issued a statement that was as morally confused as his judgment of Israel's Gaza offensive. Mr. Sarkozy, who condemned both Hamas terror and Israel's attempt to stop it, also blurred the distinction between the victims and perpetrators of anti-Semitism in France.
His country "will not tolerate international tensions mutating into intercommunity violence," he warned, suggesting that the violence in France comes not only from French Muslims but Jews as well. Mr. Sarkozy's comments also suggest that the fighting in Gaza is the cause for attacks on Jews in France -- that is, that the Mideast conflict is fueling anti-Semitism in Europe. It is exactly the other way around.
The rage against the Jews that is exploding in Europe has been carefully nurtured; it is not spontaneous sympathy for fellow Muslims in Gaza. How else to explain the silence when Muslims in other conflicts, from Darfur to Chechnya, are being killed?
The depth of anti-Semitic propaganda in Palestinian and other Muslim societies is one of the most underreported facts about the Middle East. It is this anti-Semitism that predisposes Muslims in Europe to attack Jews and fuels the Mideast conflict. The hatred predates Israel's creation. To illustrate this point: The Palestinian leader during World War II, Hajj Amin al Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, conspired with Hitler to bring the Holocaust to Palestine. Luckily, the British stopped the German troops in Africa. The Mufti spent the war years in Berlin and was later indicted for war crimes but with the help of the Muslim Brotherhood escaped to Egypt. Hamas is the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Hamas and other Islamists continue what the Mufti had helped to start: a blend of European anti-Semitism and Islam-inspired Jew hatred. The rejection of Israel's right to exist is what drives their attacks. The media, though, largely ignores Hamas's ideology and its crimes of hiding its leaders and weapons among its own civilian population, and demonizes Israel's attempt to protect its citizens.
Hamas and other Islamists are not even trying to hide their ideology. Just read the Hamas charter or check out Hamas TV, including children's programs, for a nauseating dose of murderous anti-Semitism. Last week, the French broadcasting authorities banned Hamas TV for inciting violence and hatred. Unfortunately, just like Hezbollah TV, which is also banned in Europe for its anti-Semitic and jihadi content, audiences here can still receive these programs due to Saudi Arabia's Arabsat and Egyptian satellite provider Nilesat.
The Islamist variation of Jew hatred is now being reimported to Europe. Muslims in Europe, watching Hamas and Hezbollah TV with their satellite dishes, are being fed the same diet of anti-Semitism and jihadi ideology that Palestinians and much of the Middle East consume.
This brings a unique challenge to the difficult integration of Muslims in Europe. When it comes to issues like Shariah law and terrorism, one can expect a true "clash of civilizations." There is no Western tradition that would justify "honor killings." Anti-Semitism, on the other hand, is not alien to Europe's culture -- to the contrary, the Continent once excelled at it and many still share the feeling.
A Pew study from September shows 25% of Germans and 20% of French are still affected by this virus. In Spain, 46% have unfavorable views of Jews. Is there really no connection between this statistic and the fact that the Spanish media and government are among Europe's most hostile toward the Jewish state? Is it just a coincidence that Europe's largest anti-Israel demonstration took place Sunday in Spain, with more than 100,000 protesters?
A 2006 study in the Journal of Conflict Resolution based on the survey in 10 European countries suggests otherwise. Yale University's Edward H. Kaplan and Charles A. Small found "that anti-Israel sentiment consistently predicts the probability that an individual is anti-Semitic, with the likelihood of measured anti-Semitism increasing with the extent of anti-Israel sentiment observed."
With little hope that the media coverage will become more balanced and the incitement of the growing Muslim community will abate, the Jews in Europe are facing uncertain times.
Mr. Schwammenthal edits the State of the Union column.
I think the more salient part of Frank's poast is the prevalence of anti-Semitism in the Arab and Muslim worlds, not the adoption of anti-Israel positions by European Nazis.
Europe Reimports Jew Hatred[/b] WSJ Online By DANIEL SCHWAMMENTHAL
Give Giancarlo Desiderati credit for his unintellectual honesty. While most left-wing detractors of Israel claim their animosity toward the Jewish state has nothing to do with anti-Semitism, the head of a small Italian union, Flaica-Uniti-Cub, wasted no time with such sophism. Having long called for a boycott of Israeli goods, Mr. Desiderati last week made the logical next step. "Do not buy anything from businesses run by the Jewish community," his group's Web site urged Italians. [State of the Union] Getty Images
Jews around Europe are increasingly under attack since Israel decided two weeks ago to defend itself after years of rocket fire at its civilian population. There have been arson attempts on synagogues in Britain, Belgium and Germany. Police last week arrested Muslim protesters who wanted to enter the Jewish quarter in Antwerp. Several Danish schools with large Muslim student bodies say they won't enroll Jewish kids because they can't guarantee the children's safety. In France, a group of teenagers attacked a 14-year-old girl last week, calling her "dirty Jew" while kicking her.
At rallies in Germany and the Netherlands over the past two weeks, protesters shouted, "Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the Gas." In Amsterdam, Socialist lawmaker Harry van Bommel and Greta Duisenberg, widow of the first European Central Bank president, marched at the front of one such "peace" demonstration. They didn't join in the background chorus calling for another Holocaust. Instead, they chanted, "Intifada, Intifada, Free Palestine." Mr. Van Bommel later insisted this wasn't a call for Jewish blood but for "civil disobedience" -- a laughable defense given that terrorists during the last intifada murdered more than 1,000 Israelis.
Most of the anti-Jewish violence and protests in Europe come from immigrants. In what may have been a Freudian recognition of the changing face of Europe, CNN two weeks ago used footage of anti-Israeli protesters in London in a report about the growing anger in the "Arab and Muslim world." The mythical Arab Street now reaches deep into Paris, London, Berlin and Madrid.
After a burning car was rammed into a gate outside a synagogue in Toulouse last week, President Nicolas Sarkozy issued a statement that was as morally confused as his judgment of Israel's Gaza offensive. Mr. Sarkozy, who condemned both Hamas terror and Israel's attempt to stop it, also blurred the distinction between the victims and perpetrators of anti-Semitism in France.
His country "will not tolerate international tensions mutating into intercommunity violence," he warned, suggesting that the violence in France comes not only from French Muslims but Jews as well. Mr. Sarkozy's comments also suggest that the fighting in Gaza is the cause for attacks on Jews in France -- that is, that the Mideast conflict is fueling anti-Semitism in Europe. It is exactly the other way around.
The rage against the Jews that is exploding in Europe has been carefully nurtured; it is not spontaneous sympathy for fellow Muslims in Gaza. How else to explain the silence when Muslims in other conflicts, from Darfur to Chechnya, are being killed?
The depth of anti-Semitic propaganda in Palestinian and other Muslim societies is one of the most underreported facts about the Middle East. It is this anti-Semitism that predisposes Muslims in Europe to attack Jews and fuels the Mideast conflict. The hatred predates Israel's creation. To illustrate this point: The Palestinian leader during World War II, Hajj Amin al Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, conspired with Hitler to bring the Holocaust to Palestine. Luckily, the British stopped the German troops in Africa. The Mufti spent the war years in Berlin and was later indicted for war crimes but with the help of the Muslim Brotherhood escaped to Egypt. Hamas is the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Hamas and other Islamists continue what the Mufti had helped to start: a blend of European anti-Semitism and Islam-inspired Jew hatred. The rejection of Israel's right to exist is what drives their attacks. The media, though, largely ignores Hamas's ideology and its crimes of hiding its leaders and weapons among its own civilian population, and demonizes Israel's attempt to protect its citizens.
Hamas and other Islamists are not even trying to hide their ideology. Just read the Hamas charter or check out Hamas TV, including children's programs, for a nauseating dose of murderous anti-Semitism. Last week, the French broadcasting authorities banned Hamas TV for inciting violence and hatred. Unfortunately, just like Hezbollah TV, which is also banned in Europe for its anti-Semitic and jihadi content, audiences here can still receive these programs due to Saudi Arabia's Arabsat and Egyptian satellite provider Nilesat.
The Islamist variation of Jew hatred is now being reimported to Europe. Muslims in Europe, watching Hamas and Hezbollah TV with their satellite dishes, are being fed the same diet of anti-Semitism and jihadi ideology that Palestinians and much of the Middle East consume.
This brings a unique challenge to the difficult integration of Muslims in Europe. When it comes to issues like Shariah law and terrorism, one can expect a true "clash of civilizations." There is no Western tradition that would justify "honor killings." Anti-Semitism, on the other hand, is not alien to Europe's culture -- to the contrary, the Continent once excelled at it and many still share the feeling.
A Pew study from September shows 25% of Germans and 20% of French are still affected by this virus. In Spain, 46% have unfavorable views of Jews. Is there really no connection between this statistic and the fact that the Spanish media and government are among Europe's most hostile toward the Jewish state? Is it just a coincidence that Europe's largest anti-Israel demonstration took place Sunday in Spain, with more than 100,000 protesters?
A 2006 study in the Journal of Conflict Resolution based on the survey in 10 European countries suggests otherwise. Yale University's Edward H. Kaplan and Charles A. Small found "that anti-Israel sentiment consistently predicts the probability that an individual is anti-Semitic, with the likelihood of measured anti-Semitism increasing with the extent of anti-Israel sentiment observed."
With little hope that the media coverage will become more balanced and the incitement of the growing Muslim community will abate, the Jews in Europe are facing uncertain times.
Mr. Schwammenthal edits the State of the Union column.
It's impossible, at this point, for the Western media to discriminate between anti-Semitism and anti-Israel positions.
Call me an anti-semite, I don't really care (only because it's not true). Israel is a deeply fucked-up nation. "Every nation has its Jews, and the Palestinians are Israel's". Albert f*cking Einstein.
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
I think the more salient part of Frank's poast is the prevalence of anti-Semitism in the Arab and Muslim worlds
SURPRISE OF THE YEAR!
b/w
Where's the ONE TRICK PONY graemlin when we need it?
I think the more salient part of Frank's poast is the prevalence of anti-Semitism in the Arab and Muslim worlds
SURPRISE OF THE YEAR!
b/w
Where's the ONE TRICK PONY graemlin when we need it?
I'll try to break this down for you little guy. See if you can follow my poast:
Frank suggested anti-Semitism is widespread in the Arab and Muslim worlds (undeniable if you've ever traveled in either).
He also suggested that Germans have become pro-Palestinian.
One of you little dudes latched onto the latter, no doubt offended that their personal anti-Israel views were being impugned by comparison to Nazis.
All I suggested was that the FORMER (that means the one that came before, little man) was the more salient point (not to me, but to Frank; I could be wrong).
Why should anyone be surprised that Nazis are anti-Israel? lol. Clearly this point was secondary to Frank's other one, but it's nonetheless the one dude seized on because it's easier to rebut ("Just cause a Nazi is also anti-Israel, doesn't make me a Nazi for being anti-Israel"). OF COURSE that's true, but it's a convenient dodge: address the obvious point; it's way easier than having to take a long hard look at modern anti-Semitism in the Arab and Muslim world and the effects these feelings have on the wider conflict.
(BTW I don't REALLY expect you to grasp the nuances here; I have been around too long to expect that from you. The idea that hatred of Jews -- well documented and widespread in the Arab and Muslim world -- has any effect whatsoever on the vilification of their state is obviously too complex an issue for you. After all it doesn't really fit on a bumper sticker.)
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
The problem with your posts is that children are dying and you seem more worried about the so-called nuanced arguments you can derive from people merely holding up so-called anti-Semite signs.
I think the more salient part of Frank's poast is the prevalence of anti-Semitism in the Arab and Muslim worlds
SURPRISE OF THE YEAR!
b/w
Where's the ONE TRICK PONY graemlin when we need it?
I'll try to break this down for you little guy. See if you can follow my poast:
Frank suggested anti-Semitism is widespread in the Arab and Muslim worlds (undeniable if you've ever traveled in either).
He also suggested that Germans have become pro-Palestinian.
One of you little dudes latched onto the latter, no doubt offended that their personal anti-Israel views were being impugned by comparison to Nazis.
All I suggested was that the FORMER (that means the one that came before, little man) was the more salient point (not to me, but to Frank; I could be wrong).
Why should anyone be surprised that Nazis are anti-Israel? lol. Clearly this point was secondary to Frank's other one, but it's nonetheless the one dude seized on because it's easier to rebut ("Just cause a Nazi is also anti-Israel, doesn't make me a Nazi for being anti-Israel"). OF COURSE that's true, but it's a convenient dodge: address the obvious point; it's way easier than having to take a long hard look at modern anti-Semitism in the Arab and Muslim world and the effects these feelings have on the wider conflict.
(BTW I don't REALLY expect you to grasp the nuances here; I have been around too long to expect that from you. The idea that hatred of Jews -- well documented and widespread in the Arab and Muslim world -- has any effect whatsoever on the vilification of their state is obviously too complex an issue for you. After all it doesn't really fit on a bumper sticker.)
Tom Cruise chastises Matt Lauer for his views on psychiatry.
I'd like to see the chiselled jaw before we continue. I know you need the handicap.
The problem with your posts is that children are dying and you seem more worried about the so-called nuanced arguments you can derive from people merely holding up so-called anti-Semite signs.
while you bravely change your avatar...
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
The problem with your posts is that children are dying and you seem more worried about the so-called nuanced arguments you can derive from people merely holding up so-called anti-Semite signs.
while you bravely change your avatar...
Well, the boycotting of Israeli goods by US citizens has become illegal...so all I have left is to hold up signs. Like this one...
The problem with your posts is that children are dying and you seem more worried about the so-called nuanced arguments you can derive from people merely holding up so-called anti-Semite signs.
while you bravely change your avatar...
Well, the boycotting of Israeli goods by US citizens has become illegal...so all I have left is to hold up signs. Like this one...
The police will come and arrest you if you do not buy Israeli goods.
The problem with your posts is that children are dying and you seem more worried about the so-called nuanced arguments you can derive from people merely holding up so-called anti-Semite signs.
while you bravely change your avatar...
Well, the boycotting of Israeli goods by US citizens has become illegal...so all I have left is to hold up signs. Like this one...
The police will come and arrest you if you do not buy Israeli goods.
lol I know huh. that must be an Austin-specific statute....
The problem with your posts is that children are dying and you seem more worried about the so-called nuanced arguments you can derive from people merely holding up so-called anti-Semite signs.
while you bravely change your avatar...
Well, the boycotting of Israeli goods by US citizens has become illegal...so all I have left is to hold up signs. Like this one...
yeah, start with the Academic Boycott. its where Jewish Israeli professors, traditionally the backbone of the anti-occupation movement within Israel, are denied invitations to symposiums and conferences abroad and are refused publication of their work in foreign journals. genius move.
yeah, start with the Academic Boycott. its where Jewish Israeli professors, traditionally the backbone of the anti-occupation movement within Israel, are denied invitations to symposiums and conferences abroad and are refused publication of their work in foreign journals. genius move.
You are the Jewish equivalent of a John Birch Society member. You shouldn't take that as an insult --after all, that's what you ARE. Embrace it.
yeah, start with the Academic Boycott. its where Jewish Israeli professors, traditionally the backbone of the anti-occupation movement within Israel, are denied invitations to symposiums and conferences abroad and are refused publication of their work in foreign journals. genius move.
Why do you insist on throwing your two cents in when you know that post wasnt directed at you... And if you visit the site there are many ways to boycott, the choice is up to the individual....
Unlike the people of Israel who are forced to join the army for 2 years and kill Palestinians (or they face jail...)
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That is the other issue at hand as well. I don't know if anyone has mentioned it in here, but within about a generation (40-50 years), the Israeli state is going to have a majority Arab population, assuming current trends remain steady.
The Isreali gov't should be preparing to swallow a whole jar of bitter pills when Arab-Israeli voters begin to elect Arab-Israeli leaders and Pro-Arab policies are adopted en masse. They only way out of THAT mess for Israel would be to, between now and then, do away with the whole democracy thing in general, before those chickens come home to roost.
What, like, ethnic cleansing maybe?
This is definitely going a bit far in terms of characterizing what is happening..
I haven't checked this thread since last week (no time + being sick) so i've missed the current updates... but i'm up to speed now...
Why is it that these threads only pop up when Israel acts and not when there are suicide bombings within Israel?
Why does everyone say things like the Arabs live in ghettos in Gaza while there is NO MENTION of the BILLIONS upon BILLIONS of dollars given in AID over the last 40 years since 1967 (much of which has been put forth by Israel)? For a community the size of a medium sized American city (1.5 million people), surely, that money could have provided better infrastructure and economic opportunities for these people? Where is all that money? Where did it go? Any other area on the face of the globe would be quite well-developed with that much money having been donated...
Why does everyone say that the Arabs ultimately want a normal life and want co-existence when the very flag of Fatah (Mahmoud Abbas' 'moderate' party - who ultimately took over from super-terrorist Yasser Arafat) contains a flag of Palestine which totally encompasses the WHOLE area aka. NO Israel...
Why is it that no Arab country cried foul when HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of innocent, unarmed, non-Iranian Revolutionary guard trained, non-missile firing, non-suicide bombing, non-dedicated-to-pushing-another-group-of-people-into-the-sea innocent Sudanese were slaughtered (many raped violently beforehand) but expresses such anger over the assassination of a would-be suicide bomber? Wasn't this ethnic cleansing?
Why is that there is SUCH an uproar over this current act in the Arab / Israel saga while over Christmas HUNDREDS of again innocent, unarmed, non-Iranian Revolutionary guard trained, non-missile firing, non-suicide bombing, non-dedicated-to-pushing-another-group-of-people-into-the-sea Congolese Christians were slaughtered by the rebels, with roads leading to the area blocked by dead bodies strewn across to serve as an example by these murderous rebels? NOT ONE THREAD even mentioned this... wouldn't this be considered a war crime? Ethnic cleansing perhaps?
The fact that this topic breeds SUCH outrage among people who for the most part have NOTHING TO DO with either group involved while EVERY DAY war and brutality exist in regions the media chooses to overlook is crazy.
The ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians has been going on since 1948.
The same can be said for the Jews as well.
I'm rubber, you're glue?
I say this because what you wrote is the 'party line' so to speak... while it is equally true however MUCH less touted that the Jews faced the same at that time and if it wasn't for their national sacrifice in order to have an army, they would easily be under the same threat today.. either way, back to work... i'll check on this tomorrow...
"MUCH less touted"
Thanks for that laugh... The sheer number of bestselling books and successful movies on the subject of Israeli independence is extraordinary. The 50s and 60s saw a GLUT of this stuff. Leon Uris --check that name on Wikipedia and then see what follows...
Just some perspective here: that headline is totally, utterly misleading.
The committee has not banned Arab parties per se; they have banned the two Arab parties that happen to now be represented in the Knesset. That's because (like Rabbi Kahane's party in the 80's) the current Arab parties have both run afoul of the law.
Arab parties are still free to form and to run, Arabs are still represented in the Knesset (as reps for the Communist Hadash party, the Labor party and GASP! even for Likud), and neither of these is ever likely to change.
So yeah, that headline is on some WTF.
That lollipop is SOUR so it's not REALLY A LOLLIPOP.
Umm, what's your point? That because some sorry ass German neo-Nazi punks think it's cool to support the Palestinian cause, that makes all Palestinians Nazi symphatizers? It's good to remember that the majority of both Palestinians and Israeli Jews are secular people, not religious (or otherwise) extremists.
Europe Reimports Jew Hatred[/b]
WSJ Online
By DANIEL SCHWAMMENTHAL
Give Giancarlo Desiderati credit for his unintellectual honesty. While most left-wing detractors of Israel claim their animosity toward the Jewish state has nothing to do with anti-Semitism, the head of a small Italian union, Flaica-Uniti-Cub, wasted no time with such sophism. Having long called for a boycott of Israeli goods, Mr. Desiderati last week made the logical next step. "Do not buy anything from businesses run by the Jewish community," his group's Web site urged Italians.
[State of the Union] Getty Images
Jews around Europe are increasingly under attack since Israel decided two weeks ago to defend itself after years of rocket fire at its civilian population. There have been arson attempts on synagogues in Britain, Belgium and Germany. Police last week arrested Muslim protesters who wanted to enter the Jewish quarter in Antwerp. Several Danish schools with large Muslim student bodies say they won't enroll Jewish kids because they can't guarantee the children's safety. In France, a group of teenagers attacked a 14-year-old girl last week, calling her "dirty Jew" while kicking her.
At rallies in Germany and the Netherlands over the past two weeks, protesters shouted, "Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the Gas." In Amsterdam, Socialist lawmaker Harry van Bommel and Greta Duisenberg, widow of the first European Central Bank president, marched at the front of one such "peace" demonstration. They didn't join in the background chorus calling for another Holocaust. Instead, they chanted, "Intifada, Intifada, Free Palestine." Mr. Van Bommel later insisted this wasn't a call for Jewish blood but for "civil disobedience" -- a laughable defense given that terrorists during the last intifada murdered more than 1,000 Israelis.
Most of the anti-Jewish violence and protests in Europe come from immigrants. In what may have been a Freudian recognition of the changing face of Europe, CNN two weeks ago used footage of anti-Israeli protesters in London in a report about the growing anger in the "Arab and Muslim world." The mythical Arab Street now reaches deep into Paris, London, Berlin and Madrid.
After a burning car was rammed into a gate outside a synagogue in Toulouse last week, President Nicolas Sarkozy issued a statement that was as morally confused as his judgment of Israel's Gaza offensive. Mr. Sarkozy, who condemned both Hamas terror and Israel's attempt to stop it, also blurred the distinction between the victims and perpetrators of anti-Semitism in France.
His country "will not tolerate international tensions mutating into intercommunity violence," he warned, suggesting that the violence in France comes not only from French Muslims but Jews as well. Mr. Sarkozy's comments also suggest that the fighting in Gaza is the cause for attacks on Jews in France -- that is, that the Mideast conflict is fueling anti-Semitism in Europe. It is exactly the other way around.
The rage against the Jews that is exploding in Europe has been carefully nurtured; it is not spontaneous sympathy for fellow Muslims in Gaza. How else to explain the silence when Muslims in other conflicts, from Darfur to Chechnya, are being killed?
The depth of anti-Semitic propaganda in Palestinian and other Muslim societies is one of the most underreported facts about the Middle East. It is this anti-Semitism that predisposes Muslims in Europe to attack Jews and fuels the Mideast conflict. The hatred predates Israel's creation. To illustrate this point: The Palestinian leader during World War II, Hajj Amin al Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, conspired with Hitler to bring the Holocaust to Palestine. Luckily, the British stopped the German troops in Africa. The Mufti spent the war years in Berlin and was later indicted for war crimes but with the help of the Muslim Brotherhood escaped to Egypt. Hamas is the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Hamas and other Islamists continue what the Mufti had helped to start: a blend of European anti-Semitism and Islam-inspired Jew hatred. The rejection of Israel's right to exist is what drives their attacks. The media, though, largely ignores Hamas's ideology and its crimes of hiding its leaders and weapons among its own civilian population, and demonizes Israel's attempt to protect its citizens.
Hamas and other Islamists are not even trying to hide their ideology. Just read the Hamas charter or check out Hamas TV, including children's programs, for a nauseating dose of murderous anti-Semitism. Last week, the French broadcasting authorities banned Hamas TV for inciting violence and hatred. Unfortunately, just like Hezbollah TV, which is also banned in Europe for its anti-Semitic and jihadi content, audiences here can still receive these programs due to Saudi Arabia's Arabsat and Egyptian satellite provider Nilesat.
The Islamist variation of Jew hatred is now being reimported to Europe. Muslims in Europe, watching Hamas and Hezbollah TV with their satellite dishes, are being fed the same diet of anti-Semitism and jihadi ideology that Palestinians and much of the Middle East consume.
This brings a unique challenge to the difficult integration of Muslims in Europe. When it comes to issues like Shariah law and terrorism, one can expect a true "clash of civilizations." There is no Western tradition that would justify "honor killings." Anti-Semitism, on the other hand, is not alien to Europe's culture -- to the contrary, the Continent once excelled at it and many still share the feeling.
A Pew study from September shows 25% of Germans and 20% of French are still affected by this virus. In Spain, 46% have unfavorable views of Jews. Is there really no connection between this statistic and the fact that the Spanish media and government are among Europe's most hostile toward the Jewish state? Is it just a coincidence that Europe's largest anti-Israel demonstration took place Sunday in Spain, with more than 100,000 protesters?
A 2006 study in the Journal of Conflict Resolution based on the survey in 10 European countries suggests otherwise. Yale University's Edward H. Kaplan and Charles A. Small found "that anti-Israel sentiment consistently predicts the probability that an individual is anti-Semitic, with the likelihood of measured anti-Semitism increasing with the extent of anti-Israel sentiment observed."
With little hope that the media coverage will become more balanced and the incitement of the growing Muslim community will abate, the Jews in Europe are facing uncertain times.
Mr. Schwammenthal edits the State of the Union column.
It's impossible, at this point, for the Western media to discriminate between anti-Semitism and anti-Israel positions.
Call me an anti-semite, I don't really care (only because it's not true). Israel is a deeply fucked-up nation. "Every nation has its Jews, and the Palestinians are Israel's". Albert f*cking Einstein.
SURPRISE OF THE YEAR!
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Where's the ONE TRICK PONY graemlin when we need it?
I'll try to break this down for you little guy. See if you can follow my poast:
Frank suggested anti-Semitism is widespread in the Arab and Muslim worlds (undeniable if you've ever traveled in either).
He also suggested that Germans have become pro-Palestinian.
One of you little dudes latched onto the latter, no doubt offended that their personal anti-Israel views were being impugned by comparison to Nazis.
All I suggested was that the FORMER (that means the one that came before, little man) was the more salient point (not to me, but to Frank; I could be wrong).
Why should anyone be surprised that Nazis are anti-Israel? lol. Clearly this point was secondary to Frank's other one, but it's nonetheless the one dude seized on because it's easier to rebut ("Just cause a Nazi is also anti-Israel, doesn't make me a Nazi for being anti-Israel"). OF COURSE that's true, but it's a convenient dodge: address the obvious point; it's way easier than having to take a long hard look at modern anti-Semitism in the Arab and Muslim world and the effects these feelings have on the wider conflict.
(BTW I don't REALLY expect you to grasp the nuances here; I have been around too long to expect that from you. The idea that hatred of Jews -- well documented and widespread in the Arab and Muslim world -- has any effect whatsoever on the vilification of their state is obviously too complex an issue for you. After all it doesn't really fit on a bumper sticker.)
These guys are not anti-Semites.
They're anti-everydamnbody
Tom Cruise chastises Matt Lauer for his views on psychiatry.
I'd like to see the chiselled jaw before we continue. I know you need the handicap.
while you bravely change your avatar...
Well, the boycotting of Israeli goods by US citizens has become illegal...so all I have left is to hold up signs. Like this one...
The police will come and arrest you if you do not buy Israeli goods.
lol I know huh. that must be an Austin-specific statute....
Check this site out. A good start.
www.bdsmovement.net
yeah, start with the Academic Boycott. its where Jewish Israeli professors, traditionally the backbone of the anti-occupation movement within Israel, are denied invitations to symposiums and conferences abroad and are refused publication of their work in foreign journals. genius move.
You are the Jewish equivalent of a John Birch Society member. You shouldn't take that as an insult --after all, that's what you ARE. Embrace it.
Why do you insist on throwing your two cents in when you know that post wasnt directed at you... And if you visit the site there are many ways to boycott, the choice is up to the individual....
Unlike the people of Israel who are forced to join the army for 2 years and kill Palestinians (or they face jail...)
WOW