Quote:/font1h,121b,121His endorsement is that McCain hasn't surrendered before election day?b,121b,121b,121How exactly does that make sense again? b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121I started to write the same thing.
font class="post"1b,121b,121I think you're sharp man, but no. If the article had mentioned all of the lies and B.S. that McCain has slung over the last three decades, I'd make more sense. Mind you, I don't trust Obama anymore, except to F*ck up America a little less than McCain.
font class="post"1b,121b,121No offense to your man but that was cornball.
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
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Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121No actual answers for these question, ha?b,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121Any of you Obama historians up on the name Frank Marshall Davis?b,121b,121Also, is it true that Obama is in Hawaii over that birth certificate lawsuit? b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1 b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Are you for f*cking real with this? Yes man, Obama FLEW ACROSS THE OCEAN TO GRAB HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE. b,121b,121Come on dude you can do better than that. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Yes, not questioning ANYTHING about who our next president actually is...that's obviously better.b,121b,121b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121How about questioning things that aren't completely fuc[i]/i1king ridiculous for a start? b,121b,121b,121I think you just like to start shit on here, because font size=41there's no way on earth anyone with half a functioning brain would believe Obama made up a lie about his grandmother so he could fly to Hawaii during the most important time of his campaign and grab his birth certificate to appease a bullshit lawsuit filed by the same anti semite nutcase who started the "Obama is a Muslim" rumors./b1/FONT1b,121b,121Mmmmmmkay?b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Not even what I'm talking about. I'm not doubting that his mother is sick. I just know of information that says that there has been a suit filed in Hawaii...some other Obama-hater from Chicago filed it, Martin is his name. Some are saying that Obama was summoned to appear in court. I don't know how that connects to anything related to his mother. That's why I'm just asking if y'all know anything that can refute any of the claims. You know, something like...no, Obama hasn't gone to Hawaii recently. Or no, there is no case in Hawaii. I don't see the need to shy away from any possibility. b,121b,121So again, is the following true or not?b,121b,121"The case has been docketed as number 08-1-2147-10 and assigned to Circuit Judge Bert Ayabe."
Quote:/font1h,121b,121 Nice try, my friend -- but let's get real here! The brown Obama is the real Hussein, the underdog, not the white McCain. I never thought I'll live to see a white presidential candidate being portrayed as the underdog against an African-American candidate! Not even a great propagandist like yourself can pull this one off! Were you not the one who said that America was not ready for a black president? Now Obama is Goliath and McCain is David? You live and learn... b,121b,121h,121
Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121b,121Here's a chance for America to actually change...and this fever-pitched Kool-Aid swigging is all y'all really have to offer??? b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121this is hysterical. This from the clown who probably won't even vote. You are the biggest powder-puff on this board, and THAT is saying something.
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
Yeah, I dunno...but I'd rather know this shit was going on and think it's bullshit, than to just not know about it at all...b,121b,121/font1
Quote:/font1h,121b,121CIRCUIT COURT OF THE FIRST CIRCUITb,121STATE OF HAWAIIb,121b,121CIVIL NUMBER: 08-1-2147-10b,121(Declaratory Judgment)b,121Judge Ayabeb,121b,121COMPLAINT FORb,121DECLARATORY JUDGMENT;b,121EXHIBIT 1: SUMMONSb,121b,121ANDY MARTIN, b,121b,121Plaintiff,b,121b,121vs. b,121b,121LINDA LINGLE, in her b,121Official capacity as Governor b,121Of the State of Hawai'i, b,121DR. CHIYOME FUKINO, in her b,121official capacity as Director b,121of the Department of Health, b,121b,121Defendants. b,121_ b,121b,121COMPLAINT FOR DECLARATORY JUDGMENTb,121b,121Plaintiff ANDY MARTIN ('Plaintiff'), pro se, alleges in his Complaint for Declaratory Judgment against the Defendants as follows:b,121b,121PARTIES, JURISDICTION AND VENUEb,121b,121Plaintiff ANDY MARTIN is the author of a book on Senator Barack Obama ('Senator Obama'). He has also been writing columns and commentary about the senator for over four (4) years. b,121Defendants LINDA LINGLE and DR. CHIYOME FUKINO are Governor and Director of the Department of Health, respectively.b,121This Complaint for Declaratory Relief and these proceedings are instituted pursuant to ?? 632-1, Hawai'i Revised Statutes.b,121Venue is proper in this Court pursuant to ?? 603-36, Hawaii Revised Statutes.b,121b,121STATEMENT OF CLAIMb,121b,1211. Plaintiff requested a certified copy of the birth certificate of Senator Obama from the Department of Health and tendered the requisite fee.b,1212. Defendants refused to provide a copy of said certificate, invoking the confidentiality statutes of the State.b,1213. The issue of the Senator's birth certificate has become a controversial topic of intense national speculation.b,1214. As an author who strives for factual accuracy and attempts to conduct thorough research Plaintiff wants a copy of the Senator's birth certificate attested to by the State and not a 'certificate' which is posted on a web site and which has been debunked as possibly having been altered.b,1215. One of the more literate and temperate analyses of the unlawfulness of the Defendants' refusal to issue certified copies of the birth certificate is contained in Exhibit 1 attached hereto.b,1216. To the extent that the Defendants' files contain or retain original supporting data for the birth certificate, Plaintiff asks that he also be supplied with that information and/or material as well.b,1217. It is axiomatic that the birth certificate of a presidential candidate is a document of crucial public concern and significance.b,1218. While Hawai'i statutes call for a balancing or weighing test where production is considered by a court, most respectfully Plaintiff submits that the balance falls entirely on the side of disclosure where the original birth certificate of a presidential candidate is concerned.b,121b,121DECLARATORY RELIEF SOUGHTb,121b,1219. Based on the relevant statutes and constitutional law, including Article One, Section 4 ('freedom of the press') and ?? 92F-15 (e) and ?? 338-18 (a) (9), Plaintiff asks that the Court direct and order defendants to turn over forthwith a copy of Senator Obama's birth certificate and related files and records, and without any delay.b,121b,121WHEREFORE, Plaintiff Andy Martin prays for relief as follows:b,121A. For a declaration by this Court that Plaintiff is an author and writer and is a person to whom the birth certificate of Senator Obama can and should properly be delivered forthwith;b,121B. For such other relief as this Court deems just and equitable.b,121Dated: Honolulu, Hawai'i, October 17, 2008b,121b,121Respectfully submitted,b,121ANDY MARTINb,121Plaintiff Pro seb,121b,121b,121ANDY MARTINb,121Post Office Box 1851b,121New York, NY 10150-1851b,121Toll-free tel. (866) 706-2639b,121Toll-free fax (866) 707-2639b,121Temporary Hawai'ib,121tel. (917) 664-9329b,121Plaintiff pro seb,121b,121CIRCUIT COURT OF THE FIRST CIRCUITb,121STATE OF HAWAIIb,121b,121CIVIL NUMBER: 08-1-2147-10 BIAb,121b,121EMERGENCY MOTIONb,121FOR ORDER TO SHOW CAUSEb,121b,121ANDY MARTIN, b,121b,121Plaintiff,b,121b,121vs. b,121b,121LINDA LINGLE, in her b,121Official capacity as Governor b,121Of the State of Hawai'i, b,121DR. CHIYOME FUKINO, in her b,121official capacity as Director b,121of the Department of Health, b,121b,121Defendants.b,121_ b,121b,121EMERGENCY MOTION FOR ORDER TO SHOW CAUSEb,121b,121Plaintiff ANDY MARTIN ('Plaintiff'), pro se, respectfully moves this Court on an emergency basis for an Order to Show Cause ('OSC') directing the defendants to show cause on or before October 22, 2008 at a hearing before this Court why the relief requested by the Plaintiff should not be granted.b,1211. This lawsuit does not involve complicated or disputed facts.b,1212. Time is of the essence because Plaintiff would like to write columns and articles about the Birth Certificate before November 3, 2008.b,1213. Plaintiff is physically present in Hawai'i and is available to appear before the Court in person at any hearing on or before October 22, 2008.b,1214. There is intense national interest in access to an officially certified copy of the birth certificate in question as well as any related supporting information which the defendants may have in their possession.b,1215. A proposed OSC is attached to this Emergency Motion.b,121b,121Dated: Honolulu, Hawai'i, October 17, 2008b,121b,121Respectfully submitted,b,121ANDY MARTINb,121Plaintiff Pro seb,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121No offense to your man but that was cornball. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121It's ok to say it....Vitamin, your friend is clearly a jackoff.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121 I don't trust Obama anymore, except to F*ck up America a little less than McCain. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121Based on one article? b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121I've been skeptical of Obama since day one, partly of the "messiah" portrayal (not his fault). Not so much a sense of distrust as the scenario of Republicans impeding our country's business to prove a point. As much as I believe Obama wants to transform our nation, I see the Republicans as trying to take their toys and go home.b,121b,121McCain, on the other hand, has always struck me as an extension of Bush with regard to the reappropriation of power.
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
Yeah, I was thinking Obama was already in Hawaii...apparently he's going later this week.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121Yeah, I dunno...but I'd rather know this shit was going on and think it's bullshit, than to just not know about it at all... b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121What does this reveal to u?
b,121b,121b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1 Some are saying that Obama was summoned to appear in court. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Who? Some what are saying this?b,121b,121Is this a secret court that only you a few top researchers know about?b,121b,121Or is this, as you suggest, a public court case?b,121b,121If it is the later then his summons would be part of the public record. b,121b,121Perhaps your top researchers could look there. b,121b,121b,121As long as we are on the subject, did you know John McCain isn't even an American? He is actually Panamanian.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121 I don't trust Obama anymore, except to F*ck up America a little less than McCain. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121Based on one article? b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121I've been skeptical of Obama since day one, partly of the "messiah" portrayal (not his fault). Not so much a sense of distrust as the scenario of Republicans impeding our country's business to prove a point. As much as I believe Obama wants to transform our nation, I see the Republicans as trying to take their toys and go home.b,121b,121McCain, on the other hand, has always struck me as an extension of Bush with regard to the reappropriation of power. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Anyone thinking a "transformation" will happen instantly is buggin'. Not u.b,121b,121Dude will be playing cleanup for a while.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121I have not been able to find anything official RE: Andy Martin lawsuit. As far as I know it's bogus. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121Andy Martin is a well-known anti-semite who was disqualified from practicing law for being pyschologically unstable. Another unimpeachable source in the conspiracy-go-round...
Quote:/font1h,121b,121Yeah, I was thinking Obama was already in Hawaii...apparently he's going later this week. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121Andy Martin is that dude that was discredited for lying about Obama's roots (and extensively quoted in that new Corsi book). He's also not allowed to practice law and was previously barred from one court for filing frivolous lawsuits.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121Yeah, I was thinking Obama was already in Hawaii...apparently he's going later this week. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121Andy Martin is that dude that was discredited for lying about Obama's roots (and extensively quoted in that new Corsi book). He's also not allowed to practice law and was previously barred from one court for filing frivolous lawsuits. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Yet Sean Hannity Approved???!
Okay. I thought the piece was brilliant because here we have a Shi'ia Arab American McCain supporter who thinks the mantle "Hussein" confers great dignity and a noble tradition of resistance and honor. We all know that "hussein" is also the middle name that must not be spoken. And when wingnut whackadoos emphasize the HOOSAAIIIN in between that Barack and that Obama, I have no problem calling that provincial fear mongering/ anti-Muslim bullshit. This piece was another way of saying what Powell said on MTP though, when he said the real answer to the question of "Is he a Muslim?" is, "so what if he is." Now of course Obama is not a Muslim, but the fact that his Islamic middle name would be a liability is an underlying issue in this election that may be more semiotically important than race. Maybe. My friend Nibras though is flipping that whole narrative. Here is an American who wants his candidate to be more hussein-like, in the Koranic sense. He sees only McCain as really living up to that standard and Obama, the guy with the Islamic middle name, falling short on his Muslim test. I love that kind of thing. That's the new America. Muslim McCain supporters voting against Obama cause he's not Muslim enough.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121Okay. I thought the piece was brilliant because here we have a Shi'ia Arab American McCain supporter who thinks the mantle "Hussein" confers great dignity and a noble tradition of resistance and honor. We all know that "hussein" is also the middle name that must not be spoken. And when wingnut whackadoos emphasize the HOOSAAIIIN in between that Barack and that Obama, I have no problem calling that provincial fear mongering/ anti-Muslim bullshit. This piece was another way of saying what Powell said on MTP though, when he said the real answer to the question of "Is he a Muslim?" is, "so what if he is." Now of course Obama is not a Muslim, but the fact that his Islamic middle name would be a liability is an underlying issue in this election that may be more semiotically important than race. Maybe. My friend Nibras though is flipping that whole narrative. Here is an American who wants his candidate to be more hussein-like, in the Koranic sense. He sees only McCain as really living up to that standard and Obama, the guy with the Islamic middle name, falling short on his Muslim test. I love that kind of thing. That's the new America. Muslim McCain supporters voting against Obama cause he's not Muslim enough. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121I got all that, I just don't think it applies to McCain. The test you speak of, as I read it, was to never give up; there are plenty of other honorable traits that McCain hasn't exhibited yet.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121 a bullshit lawsuit filed by the same anti semite nutcase who started the "Obama is a Muslim" rumors./b1/FONT1b,121b,121b,121h,121
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Quote:/font1h,121b,121...some other Obama-hater from Chicago filed it, Martin is his name/b1. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/13/us/politics/13martin.html?bl" target="_blank"1It's the same dude. b,121b,121b,121An examination of legal documents and election filings, along with interviews with his acquaintances, revealed Mr. Martin, 62, to be a man with a history of scintillating if not always factual claims./b1 He has left a trail of animosity ??? some of it provoked by anti-Jewish comments ??? among political leaders, lawyers and judges in three states over more than 30 years.b,121b,121He is a law school graduate, but his admission to the Illinois bar was blocked in the 1970s after a psychiatric finding of ???moderately severe character defect manifested by well-documented ideation with a paranoid flavor and a grandiose character.???/b1 (sound familiar?) b,121b,121Though he is not a lawyer, Mr. Martin went on to become a prodigious filer of lawsuits/b1, and he made unsuccessful attempts to win public office for both parties in three states, as well as for president at least twice, in 1988 and 2000. Based in Chicago, he now identifies himself as a writer who focuses on his anti-Obama Web site and press releases. b,121b,121Sounds like your kind of guy.
Even if I were an Obama supporter I would not have trusted him from the moment he claimed to have no idea that rev wright was a crazy bastard. Obama is an opportunist, a liar, and a charlatan; he is, in short, a politician. You have to be absolutely besotted with the dude not to appreciate this.
DocMcCoy"Go and laugh in your own country!" 5,913 Posts
font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121Meanwhile, he's backing the party who's supporters push out the idea that no Muslim (Even a multigenerational born American one at that) can or should be allowed to hold the office of President of the United States.b,121b,121KEEP HOPE ALIVE!b,121b,121b,121"One of Barack Obama???s ancestors clearly shared such a fondness for Imam Hussein, and hence the name carried from one generation to another. But in the process, it lost its meaning, and became an inherited middle name to be a little embarrassed by???a liability."b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/know.gif" alt="" 21 b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Yeah, it must be pretty tough being a pinko named Adam Smith too.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121But in the process, it lost its meaning, and became an inherited middle name to be a little embarrassed by???a liability."b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/know.gif" alt="" 21 b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121Thats funny.... and who is it that made his middle name seem like a liability? who has been harping on his middle name relentlessly?b,121b,121The irony there is pretty rich.b,121b,121b,121Like I said, I don't understand the motivation of any non-xian that joins the "Christians Only Club".
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