Quote:/font1h,121b,121Just show up to a Sunday Baptist service somewhere around the vincinty of Abeline or such with your family, wearing a "Dj screw" t-shirt...lets see how many kind glances and handshakes and hugs you get from these inclusive peoples... b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121Have you been to a Sunday Baptist service somewhere around the vicinity of Abeline?b,121b,121The first time I went to one I was surprised at how warmly I was welcomed. The people sitting next to me introduced themselves and asked my name. Then toward the end of the service the preacher asked if we had any guests. The person sitting next to me stood up and introduced me, everyone said hello, people came up after and said hello. Very inclusive. b,121b,121The first time this happened to me was back about 1976 in Okmulgee OK. It was a Black church, so when the preacher asked if there were any guests, the entire congregation turned and looked at me. b,121b,121But this same tradition has happened to me in White churches, even though I was a long haired hippie stinkin up their pews.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121But what's even more amusing is watching the Far Left loons who have yet to figure out that their views are also becoming insignificant. Somehow they seem to think Obama represents them, yet it couldn't be further from the truth.b,121b,121I stood up and supported Obama for President almost a year ago because I saw him as someone who would bridge the gap between left and right, not increase it.b,121b,121I saw Obama as someone who recognized that personal ideals aside, the only way to get things done in this country was to meet in the middle.b,121b,121Anyone who thinks the answers to our country's problems lie in the far right or far left ideals is a blind fool.b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eagle.gif" alt="" 21b,121b,121Why would we want Obama to meet in the middle???b,121b,121Real change will come if and when Obama is elected, we get 60 seats in the senate, and he has the opportunity to appoint 2 supreme court justices. b,121b,121Obama is democrat with liberal ideals who has dedicated a large part of his life to socially liberal pursuits. If his healthcare plan passes, it won't be with republican support, but because democrats have a clear majority in the house and senate. This whole reach across the aisle nonsense is a necessary evil to avoid filibustering and presidential vetoes.b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121/font1
Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121b,121And when people like Colin Powell put party affiliation aside and support a centrist platform I know I was right.b,121b,121It's time for the Rush Limbaugh's, Al Franken's, Ralph Nader's, Dennis Kucinich's, Karl Rove's and Ann Coulter's and all their minions to fade away into obscurity.b,121b,121The 60%-80% of hard working, taxpaying, logical thinking Americans want our country back.b,121b,121And it's about to happen. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121You are seriously comparing Dennis Kucinich and Al Franken with Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh????? On the one hand you have hate mongering propaganda preaching racists and on the other you have elected (and about to be elected) politicians who run on platforms that favor increased civil rights and opposition to unjust wars???b,121b,121And wtf is this 60-80% want our country back figure? Back to what?? You're a republican, right? What policies are you looking forward to Obama implementing?b,121b,121b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/game02vy9.gif" alt="" 21
Quote:/font1h,121b,121 You're a republican, right? b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121No, I'm not....I'm an idependent who wants to see the ridiculous ideals represented by the far left and far right to fade away so we can stop this ridiculous "Us against them" mentality that consumes our media, most politicians and the sheep that follow them.b,121b,121b,121You're an idealistic 20 something year old far left liberal who can't get past the idea of people having to be either Republican or Democrats....right?
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121 You're a republican, right? b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121No, I'm not....I'm an idependent who wants to see the ridiculous ideals represented by the far left and far right to fade away so we can stop this ridiculous "Us against them" mentality that consumes our media, most politicians and the sheep that follow them.b,121b,121b,121You're an idealistic 20 something year old far left liberal who can't get past the idea of people having to be either Republican or Democrats....right? b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121object width="425" height="344"1param name="movie" value=""1/param1param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"1/param1embed src="" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"1/embed1/object1
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121 You're a republican, right? b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121No, I'm not....I'm an idependent who wants to see the ridiculous ideals represented by the far left and far right to fade away so we can stop this ridiculous "Us against them" mentality that consumes our media, most politicians and the sheep that follow them.b,121b,121b,121You're an idealistic 20 something year old far left liberal who can't get past the idea of people having to be either Republican or Democrats....right? b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121object width="425" height="344"1param name="movie" value=""1/param1param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"1/param1embed src="" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"1/embed1/object1 b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Exactly.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121 You're a republican, right? b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121No, I'm not....I'm an idependent who wants to see the ridiculous ideals represented by the far left and far right to fade away so we can stop this ridiculous "Us against them" mentality that consumes our media, most politicians and the sheep that follow them.b,121b,121b,121You're an idealistic 20 something year old far left liberal who can't get past the idea of people having to be either Republican or Democrats....right? b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121While I share your critique of the one KVH, you're still a republican.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121 You're a republican, right? b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121No, I'm not....I'm an idependent who wants to see the ridiculous ideals represented by the far left and far right to fade away so we can stop this ridiculous "Us against them" mentality that consumes our media, most politicians and the sheep that follow them.b,121b,121b,121You're an idealistic 20 something year old far left liberal who can't get past the idea of people having to be either Republican or Democrats....right? b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121While I share your critique of the one KVH, you're still a republican. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121If that's how you choose to stereotype me that's on you.
oh lord.b,121b,121With all due respect Rock; you're pretty much a republican.b,121b,121And Is stereotype one of the new politcal defenses righties are now using?
Quote:/font1h,121b,121oh lord.b,121b,121With all due respect Rock; you're pretty much a republican.b,121b,121And Is stereotype one of the new politcal defenses righties are now using? b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121Sad that you see anyone who isn't aligned with your views as "one of them"....... a Republican.b,121b,121If by Republican you mean a non-Christian, Pro-Choice, Pro-Drug legalization, Pro-Obama Tax Plan, older white guy who worked hard, raised a family, earns a decent salary and owns a nice home.....then yeah, I guess I fit your stereotype of a Republican.b,121b,121In reality I think you mean it as what you perceive as an insult
Quote:/font1h,121b,121oh lord.b,121b,121With all due respect Rock; you're pretty much a republican.b,121b,121And Is stereotype one of the new politcal defenses righties are now using? b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121I can see where you're coming from and he does sometimes lean right (at least according to this site's standards img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" 21 ), but Rock is more of a centrist. He has both conservative and liberal views. I wouldn't call him a republican or democrat and neither would he.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121 You're a republican, right? b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121No, I'm not....I'm an idependent who wants to see the ridiculous ideals represented by the far left and far right to fade away so we can stop this ridiculous "Us against them" mentality that consumes our media, most politicians and the sheep that follow them.b,121b,121b,121You're an idealistic 20 something year old far left liberal who can't get past the idea of people having to be either Republican or Democrats....right? b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121b,121obama is a true blue democrat. he spoke out against the war. he's in favor of universal healthcare. opposed bill clinton's welfare reform. is in favor of entitlement programs. he will appoint judges with liberal views. he voted against Alito and against Roberts! neither is considered particularly radical. liberal on abortion, civil liberties, the environment, economic regulation, etc.b,121b,121back to the original question, please name some issues, that as a republican/independent whatever you want to call yourself, appeal to you, the non-democrat????b,121b,121b,121OBAMA IS A LIBERAL. thank god. sorry roc, we win.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121oh lord.b,121b,121With all due respect Rock; you're pretty much a republican.b,121b,121And Is stereotype one of the new politcal defenses righties are now using? b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121Sad that you see anyone who isn't aligned with your views as "one of them"....... a Republican.b,121b,121If by Republican you mean a non-Christian, Pro-Choice, Pro-Drug legalization, Pro-Obama Tax Plan, older white guy who worked hard, raised a family, earns a decent salary and owns a nice home.....then yeah, I guess I fit your stereotype of a Republican.b,121b,121In reality I think you mean it as what you perceive as an insult b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121c'mon man, I'm really not trying to make this a whole back-and-forth thing; really wasn't trying to insult you. b,121b,121The whole "Stereotype" thing I've seen/heard coupled with "elitist" and "snob" (i.e. some of the new mantra's of the republican party).b,121b,121If you're all of the above then why are you dragging your feet? Is it the apparent partisanship that sickens you or something else?
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121 You're a republican, right? b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121No, I'm not....I'm an idependent who wants to see the ridiculous ideals represented by the far left and far right to fade away so we can stop this ridiculous "Us against them" mentality that consumes our media, most politicians and the sheep that follow them.b,121b,121b,121You're an idealistic 20 something year old far left liberal who can't get past the idea of people having to be either Republican or Democrats....right? b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121b,121obama is a true blue democrat. he spoke out against the war. he's in favor of universal healthcare. opposed bill clinton's welfare reform. is in favor of entitlement programs. he will appoint judges with liberal views. he voted against Alito and against Roberts! neither is considered particularly radical. liberal on abortion, civil liberties, the environment, economic regulation, etc.b,121b,121back to the original question, please name some issues, that as a republican/independent whatever you want to call yourself, appeal to you, the non-democrat????b,121b,121b,121OBAMA IS A LIBERAL. thank god. sorry roc, we win. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121If I was voting based on the personal make-up of the average Democrat as displayed here there is no way in hell Obama would get my vote......based on you alone.b,121b,121Luckily, I'm voting for Obama the man, not the party and all the baggage that comes with it called it's members.b,121b,121Yay....you win.....you have the pro-death penalty, pro Missile Shield, pro border security, just left of center candidate that's getting my vote.b,121b,121Break out the champagne.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121oh lord.b,121b,121With all due respect Rock; you're pretty much a republican.b,121b,121And Is stereotype one of the new politcal defenses righties are now using? b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121Sad that you see anyone who isn't aligned with your views as "one of them"....... a Republican.b,121b,121If by Republican you mean a non-Christian, Pro-Choice, Pro-Drug legalization, Pro-Obama Tax Plan, older white guy who worked hard, raised a family, earns a decent salary and owns a nice home.....then yeah, I guess I fit your stereotype of a Republican.b,121b,121In reality I think you mean it as what you perceive as an insult b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121c'mon man, I'm really not trying to make this a whole back-and-forth thing; really wasn't trying to insult you. b,121b,121The whole "Stereotype" thing I've seen/heard coupled with "elitist" and "snob" (i.e. some of the new mantra's of the republican party).b,121b,121If you're all of the above then why are you dragging your feet? Is it the apparent partisanship that sickens you or something else? b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121I hear ya.....you can check the archives....I've never used the word elitist to describe anyone.....I think too much of myself.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121 You're a republican, right? b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121No, I'm not....I'm an idependent who wants to see the ridiculous ideals represented by the far left and far right to fade away so we can stop this ridiculous "Us against them" mentality that consumes our media, most politicians and the sheep that follow them.b,121b,121b,121You're an idealistic 20 something year old far left liberal who can't get past the idea of people having to be either Republican or Democrats....right? b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121b,121obama is a true blue democrat. he spoke out against the war. he's in favor of universal healthcare. opposed bill clinton's welfare reform. is in favor of entitlement programs. he will appoint judges with liberal views. he voted against Alito and against Roberts! neither is considered particularly radical. liberal on abortion, civil liberties, the environment, economic regulation, etc.b,121b,121back to the original question, please name some issues, that as a republican/independent whatever you want to call yourself, appeal to you, the non-democrat????b,121b,121b,121OBAMA IS A LIBERAL. thank god. sorry roc, we win. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121If I was voting based on the personal make-up of the average Democrat as displayed here there is no way in hell Obama would get my vote......based on you alone.b,121b,121Luckily, I'm voting for Obama the man, not the party and all the baggage that comes with it called it's members.b,121b,121Yay....you win.....you have the pro-death penalty, pro Missile Shield, pro border security, just left of center candidate that's getting my vote.b,121b,121Break out the champagne. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121i mean if we judged a lot of things based on KVH.......i would of given up using the internet.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121oh lord.b,121b,121With all due respect Rock; you're pretty much a republican.b,121b,121And Is stereotype one of the new politcal defenses righties are now using? b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121I can see where you're coming from and he does sometimes lean right (at least according to this site's standards img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" 21 ), but Rock is more of a centrist. He has both conservative and liberal views. I wouldn't call him a republican or democrat and neither would he. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121I concur.
...and I'm always a little put off when I spend time and effort writing long-for-the-internet text at ungodly hours of the night and get no response to points that I think are valid.b,121b,121Engage me, people.b,121b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/waaambulance.gif" alt="" 21
I agree as well. Who cares if Rock is a rightie? Obama has a great chance of winning anyway, so just let the conservative spout off their shrill talking points. And even if Rock is a Republican, he doesn't seem to be of the obnoxious, illiterate, stars-and-bars waving variety. And no disrespect whatsoever YP, but you're starting to rival kala in the hyper-emotional, reactionary, freakout reply department.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121I will say this: that Powell speech makes the very thought of McCain as President all the more depressing and hopeless. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121I have to say that the insistance and clarification of Limbaugh, Buchanan and their acolytes - I wouldn't put Will in this boat - that Powell was just "doing it because he was black" is repugnant. It truly saddens me to hear such scapegoating in America in 2008. I can understand the older, more openly xenophobic generation thinking this nonsense, but for Rush to be hoisting this charge as an impromptu rallying cry is really disgusting. Shades of the McNabb incident.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121I agree as well. Who cares if Rock is a rightie? Obama has a great chance of winning anyway, so just let the conservative spout off their shrill talking points. And even if Rock is a Republican, he doesn't seem to be of the obnoxious, illiterate, stars-and-bars waving variety. And no disrespect whatsoever YP, but you're starting to rival kala in the hyper-emotional, reactionary, freakout reply department. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121I'm an independent voter, too. At this point in my life, I lean decidedly to the Left and have always been an Obama supporter. But I've still voted for more Reps than Dems in my lifetime, and it took the Iraq War to really wake me up.b,121b,121Rock only looks like a GOP member because this board is Left-of-center.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121Rock only looks like a GOP member because this board is Left-of-center. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121Sheeyit, around here, center-left people look like the far right! Apparently, merely conversing with people on the right is one step removed from having blood on your hands. b,121b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/1203.gif" alt="" 21
Quote:/font1h,121b,121 And no disrespect whatsoever YP, but you're starting to rival kala in the hyper-emotional, reactionary, freakout reply department. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121i wish i was on kala's level of awesomeness.b,121b,121and yo, how have I been "hyper emotional" & "reactionary"?
Some good news to calm YP down img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" 21b,121b,121Support within own party:b,121Pollster DEMS GOPb,121Rasmussen 86 87b,121IBD-TIPP 88 83b,121Research 2000 87 89b,121ABC/Post 91 84b,121Zogby 87 84b,121Battleground 89 85b,121b,121AVERAGE 88.0 85.3b,121b,1212004 Exit Poll 89 93b,1212000 Exit Poll 86 91b,121b,121b,121McCain's numbers in his own party are rather low compared to what Bush had and this is DESPITE having added Palin. If these numbers hold vaguely steady (and there's every reason to think they should), it really pushes home the fact that while McCain has a good deal of support from the GOP, there's enough skeptical folks that, mathematically, Obama has a STRONG advantage, especially since McCain can't count on independents to make up the difference. b,121b,121This isn't to be overly confident but I think this also drives home that Obama has Democratic support, overwhelmingly. MORE THAN GORE IN 2000. Ok? PUMA schuma!
Quote:/font1h,121b,121Some good news to calm YP down img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" 21b,121b,121Support within own party:b,121Pollster DEMS GOPb,121Rasmussen 86 87b,121IBD-TIPP 88 83b,121Research 2000 87 89b,121ABC/Post 91 84b,121Zogby 87 84b,121Battleground 89 85b,121b,121AVERAGE 88.0 85.3b,121b,1212004 Exit Poll 89 93b,1212000 Exit Poll 86 91b,121b,121b,121McCain's numbers in his own party are rather low compared to what Bush had and this is DESPITE having added Palin. If these numbers hold vaguely steady (and there's every reason to think they should), it really pushes home the fact that while McCain has a good deal of support from the GOP, there's enough skeptical folks that, mathematically, Obama has a STRONG advantage, especially since McCain can't count on independents to make up the difference. b,121b,121This isn't to be overly confident but I think this also drives home that Obama has Democratic support, overwhelmingly. MORE THAN GORE IN 2000. Ok? PUMA schuma! b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121OH MY GOD I'M HAVING A MAELSTROM OF EMOTION RIGHT NOW! IT'S LIKE I'M TAKING REACTION PILLS OR SOMETHING!b,121b,121img src="http://www.felio.org/images/mugatu.jpg"1
haha! Oh shit, I'm terribly sorry. I looked at the quote (Kevin's, accidentally thinking it was yours) refering to the "OBAMA IS A LIBERAL. thank god. sorry roc, we win" comment. Between that, reading the humorous, "kala-esque but with proper grammar", out-of-left-field, "you're a asshole...no, you're an asshole" back and forth in similar political/Obama threads (not paying attention to who supports who previously, thinking it was you who always was on the rigorous Hillary Clinton!-but-horray-for-Obama hoopla) and being directly above in the thread, I without thinking directed it to you. My mistake.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121Rock only looks like a GOP member because this board is Left-of-center. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121Sheeyit, around here, center-left people look like the far right! Apparently, merely conversing with people on the right is one step removed from having blood on your hands. b,121b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/1203.gif" alt="" 21 b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121APPEASEMENT!b,121b,121b,121I've got to say, though: a href="http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/20/obama-leave-campaign-trail-visit-sick-grandmother/comments/#commentPaginationTop" target="_blank"1SOME ON THE FAR RIGHT SICKEN ME. There is some unfathomable bile on this link.
Holy Shit, not being american I've been giving the polithreads a pass. Just scanned through and now I know where you dudes are packing your heat.b,121 Thanks for the clip aschrock. My take on Powell is that he went into the Rep Party properly indoctrinated, and after much shitshovelling and assucking left properly dissillusioned. Along the way he thought about running for leader but was too pansy assed after his wife talked him out of it cuz of assassination (can't say I blame him). b,121>WATCHOUT.
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