You can't go wrong with an reissue thats been pressed on thicker gram of vinyl can you?
Yes, yes you can. The whole "220 Gram" reissue trend is fairly fraudulent, at least as far as people believing that heavier vinyl somehow instantly = higher fidelity. A crappily mastered reissue recorded from a vinyl source is still going to sound like ass, no matter what the weight of the vinyl is ...
Almost all of the time, with some notable exceptions, reissues sound subpar in comparison to an OG.
I realize people want to believe this, but I honestly think it's bullshit.
Either you've never heard a Scorpio pressing or you don't know what you're talking about.
...and considering most reissue vinyl at any store (round here anyway) is going to be a Scorpio bootleg, mastered off of a used piece of wax with little effort put into the sound... this is where the reissue rep comes from.
Legit reissues can sound better than the OG sometimes, but there just aren't enough of those around.
And those 180/220 gram things often have a real shallow pressing and in that case the weight of the vinyl makes absolutely no difference, some of them sound like shit... these companies around today aren't going to melt those grooves in deep like they did in the 50s/60s...
Almost all of the time, with some notable exceptions, reissues sound subpar in comparison to an OG.
I realize people want to believe this, but I honestly think it's bullshit.
Either you've never heard a Scorpio pressing or you don't know what you're talking about.
...and considering most reissue vinyl at any store (round here anyway) is going to be a Scorpio bootleg, mastered off of a used piece of wax with little effort put into the sound... this is where the reissue rep comes from.
1) Not all reissues are on Scorpio. 2) Not all vinyl reissues are on Scorpio. (Norton comes to mind, although since most of y'all are into funk and jazz, a label like that probably falls outside of some of you guys' realm.) 3) Not all reissues are on vinyl (yeah, there's some kickass CD reissues too). 4) And before CD's took over, quite a few labels like Charly, Ace (UK), Rhino, Solid Smoke, etc.. were putting out quality reissues in the eighties...but then most of that falls outside the funk/jazz realm, yet it's still an example.
Bottom line: God love the reissues, because not all of us wanna spend entire paychecks on one record. And besides, we can't help it if we were too young (or not born) when Joe Quarterman's only album made the cutout bin. OG, my ass.
Do any of you guys even have the 10 grand stereos that would make these supposed huge differences apparent? I don't. I mean the thing is, most actually rare records that are even worth buying a reissue of are not audiophile pressings or anything to begin with... they are private and small label records that are pressed cheaply and the sound quality is often pretty rough. I don't even really buy that many reissues but some of the reasons I hear people coming up with for not accepting them are pretty silly.
4) And before CD's took over, quite a few labels like Charly, Ace (UK), Rhino, Solid Smoke, etc.. were putting out quality reissues in the eighties...but then most of that falls outside the funk/jazz realm, yet it's still an example.
I vouch for the 80s Ace and Rhino stuff being quality. I even admit that I picked up CD reissues of Blue Note and Fania comps and LPs (it's not like any of those come by cheap, clean or readily available on the West Coast) or imports of stuff like Hot Chocolate, for example. I respect the audiophile and "the rush of owning the authentic object" mentality, but as long as the music doesn't sound flat and cassette like, who cares?
most actually rare records that are even worth buying a reissue of are not audiophile pressings or anything to begin with... they are private and small label records
I heard a friend of a friend of hrinkkkunt was buying them all up and snapping them in half for the trash bin. Thus making the elusiveness and price more outraegous for everyone bidding on his auction.
Moron eBayers are sweating.
What will happen to the other - unsnapped - 100,000 copies of this LP?
It makes sense that one would like common records since high sales (commonness) and objective goodness have been shown to be tightly linked.
This used to be the case more in the past. But look who put out the number one download on iTunes today (hint: she just lost custody of her kids). Then, look at number two (hint: he's 17).
this is actually the most common Curtis album. (save for Superfly) it sold very well in comparison to the other solo LP's he put out.
hmmm... i'd like to see some stats on this... this is definitely the LAST of the prime-era Curtis solo LPs that turns up around here. The double live one is an easy pull, and I see Roots, Sweet Exorcist, Back the World, No Place like America, Got to Find a Way, all with regularity. But the 1st seriously NEVER turns up for me. I had to get my copy out of town
This is not a common album in stores. Especially not in good condition. If you get a VG+ copy for under $20 nowadays, it's a good pick-up. "Move On Up" was actually a much bigger hit overseas upon its release.
Damn that song makes me want to get drunk and screw everytime I hear it.
"southern girls", "you're all talk", "oh caroline", "big eyes", "so good to see you" are my jams. those songs turn my brain into that of a giddy teenager. i love how the front shows the 2 "attractive" dudes of cheap trick on motorcycles and the back cover are rick nielsen and bun e. on mopeds! rick nielsen forever
Rick owns a decent Pizza joint in Chicago called "Piece"
A few more fun Cheap Trick tidbits...
My grandpappy is Rick Nielsens lawyer. His son Daxx was a good friend of mine growing up in Rockford. Daxx is now the drummer in the group A Fine Frenzy. The drummer for Cheap Trick, Bun E. Carlos is a huge record collector, and so is his brother Kurt, who collects strictly $1000+ Surf 45s. Before Cheap Trick, Rick had a group called The Grim Reapers... who have a 45 called "Cruisin For Burgers".
the only time you should really be after rare records is after you've been through all the most common classics.
I disagree... you should be after records as they come to you. Whether it be digging in the field or hearing something in a set, on the radio, in a mix, etc. You don't want to pass on something good because you haven't heard something else. Plus the feeling of getting a good common record is always satisfying no matter how many raers you have.
This is true, considering most records are discoveries after the fact to folks our general age; It's not like the majority of LPs we collect were released after we were born. Even so, folks need to become educated on the The Big Picture Way Music Went Down From The Top Down.
most actually rare records that are even worth buying a reissue of are not audiophile pressings or anything to begin with... they are private and small label records
Damn that song makes me want to get drunk and screw everytime I hear it.
"southern girls", "you're all talk", "oh caroline", "big eyes", "so good to see you" are my jams. those songs turn my brain into that of a giddy teenager. i love how the front shows the 2 "attractive" dudes of cheap trick on motorcycles and the back cover are rick nielsen and bun e. on mopeds! rick nielsen forever
Rick owns a decent Pizza joint in Chicago called "Piece"
It's three-four blocks from my house. Great stuff.
My father was a DEAD RINGER for Bun E. Carlos (minus the cigarette) at the time this album came out. He was actually bumped onto a fight of theirs and sat next to Robin. I asked him how he knew for sure that it was them, and he remarked that no one else looked like Rick Nielsen. Or as he put it - "that funny-looking guy with the hat."
Do any of you guys even have the 10 grand stereos that would make these supposed huge differences apparent? I don't. I mean the thing is, most actually rare records that are even worth buying a reissue of are not audiophile pressings or anything to begin with... they are private and small label records that are pressed cheaply and the sound quality is often pretty rough. I don't even really buy that many reissues but some of the reasons I hear people coming up with for not accepting them are pretty silly.
Either you didn't read my post or your ears are painted on... I said reissue vinyl has a bad rep b/c of Scorpio, and if you can't hear the difference between those and the OGs then I can't help you (and neither will a 50k stereo)... I have a few of those and never listen to them BECAUSE of the sound. I have reissues from reputable labels that care about what the product sounds like and those I truly appreciate and do actually listen to...
And audiophile vs. private press is the definition of a false dichotomy... the vast majority of the 50s-80s recordings we're talking about fall under neither category.
Damn that song makes me want to get drunk and screw everytime I hear it.
"southern girls", "you're all talk", "oh caroline", "big eyes", "so good to see you" are my jams. those songs turn my brain into that of a giddy teenager. i love how the front shows the 2 "attractive" dudes of cheap trick on motorcycles and the back cover are rick nielsen and bun e. on mopeds! rick nielsen forever
Rick owns a decent Pizza joint in Chicago called "Piece"
A few more fun Cheap Trick tidbits...
My grandpappy is Rick Nielsens lawyer. His son Daxx was a good friend of mine growing up in Rockford. Daxx is now the drummer in the group A Fine Frenzy. The drummer for Cheap Trick, Bun E. Carlos is a huge record collector, and so is his brother Kurt, who collects strictly $1000+ Surf 45s. Before Cheap Trick, Rick had a group called The Grim Reapers... who have a 45 called "Cruisin For Burgers".
This, plus the complete Vincent label run, is all you need to know about Rockford music history.
Do any of you guys even have the 10 grand stereos that would make these supposed huge differences apparent? I don't. I mean the thing is, most actually rare records that are even worth buying a reissue of are not audiophile pressings or anything to begin with... they are private and small label records that are pressed cheaply and the sound quality is often pretty rough. I don't even really buy that many reissues but some of the reasons I hear people coming up with for not accepting them are pretty silly.
Either you didn't read my post or your ears are painted on... I said reissue vinyl has a bad rep b/c of Scorpio, and if you can't hear the difference between those and the OGs then I can't help you (and neither will a 50k stereo)... I have a few of those and never listen to them BECAUSE of the sound. I have reissues from reputable labels that care about what the product sounds like and those I truly appreciate and do actually listen to...
I don't know what Scorpio records you're talking about but most of the ones I've heard are not terrible sound-wise.
And audiophile vs. private press is the definition of a false dichotomy... the vast majority of the 50s-80s recordings we're talking about fall under neither category.
My point is that it's a record. It's an imperfect medium. There are a ridiculous amount of poorly pressed records going back decades. It's not intrinsic to crappy newer reissues. People villanize reissues mostly because they do not hold the status they so covet. And they convince themselves of the importance of some trivial thing to justify buying an expensive original pressing. Not that it's so wrong or anything. I do it too.
most actually rare records that are even worth buying a reissue of are not audiophile pressings or anything to begin with... they are private and small label records
nev mind.
ditto
You don't agree?
Odub made a comment about your definition of 'rare' being skewed, and I asked him to explain what he meant. While I was responding, Odub edited his comment to "nev mind", and I followed suit. I'm actually glad the issue was dropped, I don't have the time or energy to get involved in another argument.
Either you've never heard a Scorpio pressing or you don't know what you're talking about.
...and considering most reissue vinyl at any store (round here anyway) is going to be a Scorpio bootleg, mastered off of a used piece of wax with little effort put into the sound... this is where the reissue rep comes from.
What is Scorpio? Are they the company that makes semi-real looking reissues that DG sells for $8.99? If so, I want to know who decides which records to reish over there. I'm not kidding.
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You can't go wrong with an reissue thats been pressed on thicker gram of vinyl can you?
Yes, yes you can. The whole "220 Gram" reissue trend
is fairly fraudulent, at least as far as people believing
that heavier vinyl somehow instantly = higher fidelity.
A crappily mastered reissue recorded from a vinyl source
is still going to sound like ass, no matter what the weight
of the vinyl is ...
I honestly think it's 100 percent true and am always surprised when people can't hear the difference.
Either you've never heard a Scorpio pressing or you don't know what you're talking about.
...and considering most reissue vinyl at any store (round here anyway) is going to be a Scorpio bootleg, mastered off of a used piece of wax with little effort put into the sound... this is where the reissue rep comes from.
Legit reissues can sound better than the OG sometimes, but there just aren't enough of those around.
And those 180/220 gram things often have a real shallow pressing and in that case the weight of the vinyl makes absolutely no difference, some of them sound like shit... these companies around today aren't going to melt those grooves in deep like they did in the 50s/60s...
Why not and Who does these days?? Anyone??
It seems these small batch companies are producing vinyl for the greater good of music, why can't they produce it the original way? I know its money.
1) Not all reissues are on Scorpio.
2) Not all vinyl reissues are on Scorpio. (Norton comes to mind, although since most of y'all are into funk and jazz, a label like that probably falls outside of some of you guys' realm.)
3) Not all reissues are on vinyl (yeah, there's some kickass CD reissues too).
4) And before CD's took over, quite a few labels like Charly, Ace (UK), Rhino, Solid Smoke, etc.. were putting out quality reissues in the eighties...but then most of that falls outside the funk/jazz realm, yet it's still an example.
Bottom line: God love the reissues, because not all of us wanna spend entire paychecks on one record. And besides, we can't help it if we were too young (or not born) when Joe Quarterman's only album made the cutout bin. OG, my ass.
I vouch for the 80s Ace and Rhino stuff being quality. I even admit that I picked up CD reissues of Blue Note and Fania comps and LPs (it's not like any of those come by cheap, clean or readily available on the West Coast) or imports of stuff like Hot Chocolate, for example. I respect the audiophile and "the rush of owning the authentic object" mentality, but as long as the music doesn't sound flat and cassette like, who cares?
ditto
and it's SO GOOD!
A-f ucking-men.
Moron eBayers are sweating.
What will happen to the other - unsnapped - 100,000 copies of this LP?
I'm not trying to be an asshole, but you're kidding, right?
This used to be the case more in the past. But look who put out the number one download on iTunes today (hint: she just lost custody of her kids). Then, look at number two (hint: he's 17).
This is not a common album in stores. Especially not in good condition. If you get a VG+ copy for under $20 nowadays, it's a good pick-up. "Move On Up" was actually a much bigger hit overseas upon its release.
A few more fun Cheap Trick tidbits...
My grandpappy is Rick Nielsens lawyer. His son Daxx was a good friend of mine growing up in Rockford. Daxx is now the drummer in the group A Fine Frenzy. The drummer for Cheap Trick, Bun E. Carlos is a huge record collector, and so is his brother Kurt, who collects strictly $1000+ Surf 45s. Before Cheap Trick, Rick had a group called The Grim Reapers... who have a 45 called "Cruisin For Burgers".
This is true, considering most records are discoveries after the fact to folks our general age; It's not like the majority of LPs we collect were released after we were born. Even so, folks need to become educated on the The Big Picture Way Music Went Down From The Top Down.
According to the Billboard album charts, Curtis' three most popular albums were:
Superfly, 1972 - #1
Back To The World, 1973 - #16
Curtis, 1970 - #19
You don't agree?
It's three-four blocks from my house. Great stuff.
My father was a DEAD RINGER for Bun E. Carlos (minus the cigarette) at the time this album came out. He was actually bumped onto a fight of theirs and sat next to Robin. I asked him how he knew for sure that it was them, and he remarked that no one else looked like Rick Nielsen. Or as he put it - "that funny-looking guy with the hat."
Nah. It's a case-by-case, company-by-company thang. Ever hear the reissue of the Twine Time LP? Bit of a straw man, but even so...
Either you didn't read my post or your ears are painted on... I said reissue vinyl has a bad rep b/c of Scorpio, and if you can't hear the difference between those and the OGs then I can't help you (and neither will a 50k stereo)... I have a few of those and never listen to them BECAUSE of the sound. I have reissues from reputable labels that care about what the product sounds like and those I truly appreciate and do actually listen to...
And audiophile vs. private press is the definition of a false dichotomy... the vast majority of the 50s-80s recordings we're talking about fall under neither category.
This, plus the complete Vincent label run, is all you need to know about Rockford music history.
I don't know what Scorpio records you're talking about but most of the ones I've heard are not terrible sound-wise.
My point is that it's a record. It's an imperfect medium. There are a ridiculous amount of poorly pressed records going back decades. It's not intrinsic to crappy newer reissues. People villanize reissues mostly because they do not hold the status they so covet. And they convince themselves of the importance of some trivial thing to justify buying an expensive original pressing. Not that it's so wrong or anything. I do it too.
Odub made a comment about your definition of 'rare' being skewed, and I asked him to explain what he meant. While I was responding, Odub edited his comment to "nev mind", and I followed suit. I'm actually glad the issue was dropped, I don't have the time or energy to get involved in another argument.
What is Scorpio? Are they the company that makes semi-real looking reissues that DG sells for $8.99? If so, I want to know who decides which records to reish over there. I'm not kidding.
Peace,
JRoot
Yep
I don't think they're hard to find