okay not to change the subject hear. But we all know jay has hits and misses. BUT.......... If you take all of Jay's best songs and make a best of leaving off the cheese; Song for song he MIGHT (don't kill me for this) have the best catalogue of songs for any mc ever. (Not saying best emcee, just best songs)
How can you like rap music and not like Jay-Z? You don't have to think he's the GOAT, but if you don't like Jay-Z at any level, you're just not a very intelligent rap listener.
Dude can rap.
-b
DocMcCoy"Go and laugh in your own country!" 5,917 Posts
Dude I swear that your my boy Moss but you're not. He's the only other guy I know who just doesn't listen to Jiggaman.
i know even attic had the black album in his car, i was thinking like "damn man he got to you too".
it's a shame, jigga haters are few and far between...
jigga haters stand up!
Why hate, though? Uneven as his recording career has been, he's undeniably one of the great emcees of the age. I can't understand how someone could be a fan of hip-hop and not at least want to listen to the work of a great emcee. It's all a matter of taste, I suppose, and I haven't always liked all of Jay's output, but if you've never listened to an entire album of his, then how could you realistically compare him to Big L at his peak on the basis of a freestyle?
How can you like rap music and not like Jay-Z? You don't have to think he's the GOAT, but if you don't like Jay-Z at any level, you're just not a very intelligent rap listener.
Dude can rap.
-b
yes and kenny g can play sax...
i don't know man, i listen to beats first, lyrics second, maybe that's why i'm not a very intelligent rap listener. i've never rapped neither, but i have some emcee friends that don't rate him either.
i don't know someone recommend me an album of his that i might enjoy, and i'll do my best to get a burned copy, or download it or something. the blueprint? is that the one?
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
jigga haters stand up!
It's not that I haven't heard his albums. It's not that I haven't liked a few of his songs.
It's that I absolutely hate Jay-Z's personality and thus just about every aspect of his rapping, including his whiny voice, all of his biting and shine-wiping positioning, and most importantly his uncanny tendency to express just how incredibly clever he thinks he is whenever he thinks he's done something even remotely clever. My sister is like that with lying. She can't lie without making this twisted face that immediately gives her lies away. Jay's song Girls, Girls, Girls is probably the best example. He gets such a fuckin disgusting kick out of himself that I can't even begin to hear what he's saying...as in I ain't trying to hear that bullshit. It's like listening to a comedian who cracks up to all of his own jokes.
Anyway, I've just had to chalk it up as a difference in taste, because way too many sane people that I have known simply love Jay-Z. I can recognize some greatness there for sure, but I can also recognize that even John Rocker could throw a mean fastball.
Hatters rejoice, you'll find plenty of folks who dislike Jay over at thebreaks.com (along with every other rapper from the past 10 years who's still alive)
Can anyone convincingly explain why they think Reasonable Doubt is so good? I think folks who think its overrated have made a case.
Do you really care anyway?
By the way just re-read this old O-dub review from 1995
Jay-Z: In My LIfe Time b/w I Can't Get WIt That
Last heard on the B-side of Mic Geronimo's "Masta IC", Jay-Z comes with a wicked debut single. The album cut of In My Life Time drops some ill piano drops while Jay-Z comes with a swift lyrical style that should impress people from coast-to-coast. The B ig Jaz remix comes from a whole 'nother vibe, very mellowed out and cool, kinda like the difference between Big L's versions of "MVP." I Can't Get Wit That is produced by DJ Clark Kent and the beat can only be described as fun and lively. A solid 12", d efinitely look out for this one. (PAYDAY) 89BPM, remix:85BPM, I.C.G.W.T.:90BPM.
In My Lifetime I Can't Get With That Ain't No Nigga Dead Presidents Brooklyn's Finest 22 Twos Can't Knock the Hustle Friend or Foe Where I'm From A Million and One Questions Streets is Watching Friend or Foe 98 Who You Wit Face Off Hard Knock Life Nigga What, Nigga Who So Ghetto Do It Again (Put Ya Hands Up) Snooopy Track Big Pimpin I Just Wanna Love U (Give It To Me) Best of Me (Remix) I'll Be This Can't Be Life Parking Lot Pimpin 1-900-Hustler Soon You'll Understand Squeeze 1st Where Have You Been Do My Fiesta Takeover Girls, Girls, Girls Hola Hovito Heart of the City All I Need Blueprint (Momma Loves Me) What We Do Excuse Me Miss Excuse Me Miss Again (La La La) Storm 2 Many Hoes Interlude December 4th Encore Change Clothes Dirt Off Your Shoulder Threat 99 Problems Public Service Announcement Lucifer Is That Your Bitch South Philly Niggas not to mention: Frontin Guess Who's Back Yes Beware of the Boys Diamonds from Sierra Leone Crazy in Love It's Obvious Dear Summer Go Crazy Remix I Ain't Heard of That Remix Get Throwed Wake Up The Streets
Can I Live ("Keep one eye open like CBS, you see me stressed riiiight?" Isaac Hayes jacks are classic) A Week Ago Money Cash Hoes It's Hot (Some Like It Hot) Can I Get A... Anything (off the Beanie Sigel album) Come and Get Me Poppin' Tags Meet the Parents
"No kids, but trust me I know how to raise a gun."
Also, that last studio bonus track on that jay-z unplugged CD (with that "I hear the people talk..." sample)
I hate it when the opinion of an individual differs from my own (or the popular) opinion. Wouldn't talking about music be a lot more interesting if we all just agreed on everything?
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
shine-wiping positioning
This phrase refers to his attempts to bury the legacy of Project Blowed?
That should be shine-swiping, but it sounds like you took it that way anyway.
My favorite is when elitist NYC fucks say that Jay-Z "legitimized" Juvenile's Ha and thus Cash Mony at large by appearing on a remix of the song.
Same thing goes for UGK.
On a similar note, I also recall a certain strutter saying how he didn't realize that the beat to Back Then was any good until he heard it with Jay-Z rhyming over it.
And thanks to noz posting the song to his XXL blog, I'm finally going to get to listen to that old Originators track that y'all said excused Jay for his blatant Blowed biting on Nigga What, Nigga Who (the only instance of Jay biting the Blowed that I have ever made). Once I get home and I'm able to listen to the track, I'm either gonna laugh or cry...but I will be honest about it either way.
I hate it when the opinion of an individual differs from my own (or the popular) opinion. Wouldn't talking about music be a lot more interesting if we all just agreed on everything?
This isn't about being contrary, it's about being incorrect. You, sir, are the latter.
This phrase refers to his attempts to bury the legacy of Project Blowed?
That should be shine-swiping, but it sounds like you took it that way anyway.
My favorite is when elitist NYC fucks say that Jay-Z "legitimized" Juvenile's Ha and thus Cash Mony at large by appearing on a remix of the song.
Same thing goes for UGK.
Shied, you are boxing with straw men; while I don't doubt that this city of millions contains a few elitist f**ks that fit that description, I am not aware of any of them having contributed to this discussion.
On a similar note, I also recall a certain strutter saying how he didn't realize that the beat to Back Then was any good until he heard it with Jay-Z rhyming over it.
Dynasty is dope, i've never understand the hate for it, it's right up there with his best in my opinion... most of the beats on vol.1 and 2 were doo doo, and volume 3 was crazy average as well... Slap is a corny word for a beat as well, and pronouncing "tune" as "toon" is amusing to me...
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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
I missed that one.
H*ward you are a funny cat.
Why hate, though? Uneven as his recording career has been, he's undeniably one of the great emcees of the age. I can't understand how someone could be a fan of hip-hop and not at least want to listen to the work of a great emcee. It's all a matter of taste, I suppose, and I haven't always liked all of Jay's output, but if you've never listened to an entire album of his, then how could you realistically compare him to Big L at his peak on the basis of a freestyle?
agreed.
Reasonable Doubt = CLASSIC
yes and kenny g can play sax...
i don't know man, i listen to beats first, lyrics second, maybe that's why i'm not a very intelligent rap listener. i've never rapped neither, but i have some emcee friends that don't rate him either.
i don't know someone recommend me an album of his that i might enjoy, and i'll do my best to get a burned copy, or download it or something.
the blueprint? is that the one?
It's not that I haven't heard his albums. It's not that I haven't liked a few of his songs.
It's that I absolutely hate Jay-Z's personality and thus just about every aspect of his rapping, including his whiny voice, all of his biting and shine-wiping positioning, and most importantly his uncanny tendency to express just how incredibly clever he thinks he is whenever he thinks he's done something even remotely clever. My sister is like that with lying. She can't lie without making this twisted face that immediately gives her lies away. Jay's song Girls, Girls, Girls is probably the best example. He gets such a fuckin disgusting kick out of himself that I can't even begin to hear what he's saying...as in I ain't trying to hear that bullshit. It's like listening to a comedian who cracks up to all of his own jokes.
Anyway, I've just had to chalk it up as a difference in taste, because way too many sane people that I have known simply love Jay-Z. I can recognize some greatness there for sure, but I can also recognize that even John Rocker could throw a mean fastball.
Do you really care anyway?
By the way just re-read this old O-dub review from 1995
No I like 'discussions' where someone just asserts their opinion without supporting it.
If yr gonna bother disagreeing with people who think Reasonable Doubt is overrated, why not make a case for its classic status?
you present a compelling argument.
In My Lifetime
I Can't Get With That
Ain't No Nigga
Dead Presidents
Brooklyn's Finest
22 Twos
Can't Knock the Hustle
Friend or Foe
Where I'm From
A Million and One Questions
Streets is Watching
Friend or Foe 98
Who You Wit
Face Off
Hard Knock Life
Nigga What, Nigga Who
So Ghetto
Do It Again (Put Ya Hands Up)
Snooopy Track
Big Pimpin
I Just Wanna Love U (Give It To Me)
Best of Me (Remix)
I'll Be
This Can't Be Life
Parking Lot Pimpin
1-900-Hustler
Soon You'll Understand
Squeeze 1st
Where Have You Been
Do My
Fiesta
Takeover
Girls, Girls, Girls
Hola Hovito
Heart of the City
All I Need
Blueprint (Momma Loves Me)
What We Do
Excuse Me Miss
Excuse Me Miss Again (La La La)
Storm
2 Many Hoes
Interlude
December 4th
Encore
Change Clothes
Dirt Off Your Shoulder
Threat
99 Problems
Public Service Announcement
Lucifer
Is That Your Bitch
South Philly Niggas
not to mention:
Frontin
Guess Who's Back
Yes
Beware of the Boys
Diamonds from Sierra Leone
Crazy in Love
It's Obvious
Dear Summer
Go Crazy Remix
I Ain't Heard of That Remix
Get Throwed
Wake Up
The Streets
Can I Live ("Keep one eye open like CBS, you see me stressed riiiight?" Isaac Hayes jacks are classic)
A Week Ago
Money Cash Hoes
It's Hot (Some Like It Hot)
Can I Get A...
Anything (off the Beanie Sigel album)
Come and Get Me
Poppin' Tags
Meet the Parents
"No kids, but trust me I know how to raise a gun."
Also, that last studio bonus track on that jay-z unplugged CD (with that "I hear the people talk..." sample)
Good call on "I'll Be," underrated.
There is no argument.
This phrase refers to his attempts to bury the legacy of Project Blowed?
1. Reasonable Doubt
2. Volume 2/Blueprint
3. Volume 3
4. Black Album
5. Volume 1/Dynasty/Blueprint 2
I hate it when the opinion of an individual differs from my own (or the popular) opinion. Wouldn't talking about music be a lot more interesting if we all just agreed on everything?
That should be shine-swiping, but it sounds like you took it that way anyway.
My favorite is when elitist NYC fucks say that Jay-Z "legitimized" Juvenile's Ha and thus Cash Mony at large by appearing on a remix of the song.
Same thing goes for UGK.
On a similar note, I also recall a certain strutter saying how he didn't realize that the beat to Back Then was any good until he heard it with Jay-Z rhyming over it.
And thanks to noz posting the song to his XXL blog, I'm finally going to get to listen to that old Originators track that y'all said excused Jay for his blatant Blowed biting on Nigga What, Nigga Who (the only instance of Jay biting the Blowed that I have ever made). Once I get home and I'm able to listen to the track, I'm either gonna laugh or cry...but I will be honest about it either way.
This isn't about being contrary, it's about being incorrect. You, sir, are the latter.
Are you referring to any Soulstrut member NYC fucks with this comment or just NYC fucks in general?
For whom the bell tolls...
That Memph Bleek solo track on Dynasty pushes it all the way up to tier 3 for you, huh?
Get right dude... it's the Rick Rock slap
Shied, you are boxing with straw men; while I don't doubt that this city of millions contains a few elitist f**ks that fit that description, I am not aware of any of them having contributed to this discussion.
Yes, and?
Slap is a corny word for a beat as well, and pronouncing "tune" as "toon" is amusing to me...
At what point did music criticism become an empirical science?
Yeah, Paychex, it's not basketball.