Melo = Not a Knucklehead but you can get inside his head too easily.
I don't know that Birdman is a knucklehead anymore...he seems to understand and play within his limitations for the most part. K-Mart is a knucklehead and will never be anything but a knucklehead. J.R. Smith has a big-time knucklehead streak in him, but he did manage to eliminate it for much of the series against the Lakers last year.
Rock - I don't doubt it. I am scared of the Mavs. I think they addressed their most major concerns with their late season moves. They definitely don't look like the same Mavs team that Denver beat in the playoffs last year. And it doesn't hurt that Kidd is playing like he's 22.
#20 out of 30 teams in points given up is a sign that your team doesn't play defense with CONSISTENCY[/b].
Reading is fundamental.
Also, Chauncey is an excellent defender, once again, you don't know what you're talking about. He may not be as quick as he used to be, but he's still a tough defender and he helps to "quarterback" the defense by calling out the switches and rotations. Please stop looking at stats to feign your knowledge about basketball.
#20 out of 30 teams in points given up is a sign that your team doesn't play defense with CONSISTENCY[/b].
Reading is fundamental.
Also, Chauncey is an excellent defender, once again, you don't know what you're talking about. He may not be as quick as he used to be, but he's still a tough defender and he helps to "quarterback" the defense by calling out the switches and rotations. Please stop looking at stats to feign your knowledge about basketball.
#20/30 doesn't say anything? I don't understand your point.
Also, how's he an "excellent defender" if he can no longer keep his man from burning him?! Also isn't EVERYBODY supposed to call switches or yell for help?
Rock - I don't doubt it. I am scared of the Mavs. I think they addressed their most major concerns with their late season moves. They definitely don't look like the same Mavs team that Denver beat in the playoffs last year. And it doesn't hurt that Kidd is playing like he's 22.
In 3 games this year against the Mavs Melo has averaged 15 points...and each time you could see exactly how they got under the dude's skin and threw off his game from the get go.
Kidd knows this is his last chance.
Dirk was rejuvenated by the Josh Howard trade.
And after GenePontecorvo's Saints won the Super Bowl I wouldn't bet against his Mavs winning it all.....
Dude's entire game is reaching in, slapping arms, hip checking, etc, and he gets a pass
Best defenders usually do this..That's why I was bitching all the time when Lakers went up against Bruce Bowen or Raja Bell or championship Celts.
Artest is a MUCH better defender than Bell and Bowen. But, I'll co-sign that not only do the best nba defenders play physical d, but that the nba refs let you play. if the nba refs called tight games, it would take away from the entertainment value.
Dude's entire game is reaching in, slapping arms, hip checking, etc, and he gets a pass
Best defenders usually do this..That's why I was bitching all the time when Lakers went up against Bruce Bowen or Raja Bell or championship Celts.
Artest is a MUCH better defender than Bell and Bowen. But, I'll co-sign that not only do the best nba defenders play physical d, but that the nba refs let you play. if the nba refs called tight games, it would take away from the entertainment value.
mavs were absolutely dismantled tonight. that was a rough watch.
cuban is a pain in the ass.
Mavs and Dirk are good for a grand clunker in every series. Spurs played superbly last night. Let's see if they can keep it up. Homecourt is minimal in this rivalry: each team can win at either venue.
It did suck though, no doubt!!!! God I hate the Spurs!!!!!!
Homecourt is minimal in this rivalry: each team can win at either venue.
Truedat. I'm glad the Spurs won one in Dallas, but it's far from a sure thing that they'll be able to prevent Dallas from returning the favor. And while Dirk probably won't be duplicating his game 1 performance, he won't be duplicating his game 2 performance, either.
We can eliminate the 52 game Ring - I wont count that bullshit.
Tim Duncan The Admiral Steve Smith Manu Ginobli Steve Kerr Steven Jackson Bruce Bowen Tony Parker Danny Ferry Malik Rose Kevin Willis
This a do more with less Championship squad?
I love me some POP, but when dude came down from Management, he didnt jump into a losing situation. And Duncan in his prime is in the same boat as any of Phil's stars.
Big Fundamental plus Defense plus Euros and Bruce Bowen = 4 rings.
What you got?
Here we go w/ the Jackson had great teams and Pop won w/ mediocre talent nonsense.
Here we go with a classic Batmon-esque dismissal without really sayin shit.
You ain't the expert, but I'm willing to listen if you want to talk.
Did i ever claim to be the expert. That's ur insecurity.
Lets not make this about me or u and talk basketball shit.
Check.
Hey man, that's what I'm sayin!
I love Phillip the individual and he is undoubtedly a great coach. It's an interesting debate I think, not "no question" or "nonsense". Hence the expert accusations. It's fun to mix it up too.
I used to be one of those dudes that thought Phil has always been privileged to play w/ GREAT players and never really had to "prove" himself w/ "rebuilding".
Like I said earlier POP joined the Twin Towers Era and has done an excellent job in keeping the franchise at a high level.
But the 'More With Less' Critique doesnt hold up when comparing these two coaches....IMO.
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
It took a whole lot more coaching to make Tim Duncan the great that he is than it did to do the same for MJ and Kobe.
I used to be one of those dudes that thought Phil has always been privileged to play w/ GREAT players and never really had to "prove" himself w/ "rebuilding".
Like I said earlier POP joined the Twin Towers Era and has done an excellent job in keeping the franchise at a high level.
But the 'More With Less' Critique doesnt hold up when comparing these two coaches....IMO.
The Spurs ring-teams have not been bereft of talent, I agree. They just seem to have been perfectly calibrated and had to run at peak performance to win and they did it four times (three, whatever). Phil had the larger than life cats who are singular and special, faces-of-the-league types with the rarest of killer instincts in Jordan and Kobe/Shaq. It's the rebuilding thing you mention above ultimately for me, and perhaps that isn't valid.
It took a whole lot more coaching to make Tim Duncan the great that he is than it did to do the same for MJ and Kobe.
True.
But MJ didnt get a title until 8 years into is career and Pippin got on.
KOBE had Shaq, and wasnt THE MAN during those Champioships. I doubt KOBE would have LEAD those LA teams to a chip w/ out SHAQ and them in his first 5 seasons.
I dont see how one can accurately gauge all those cats growths while in a Champoinship team.
Yes KOBE came from B-Ball pedigree so he did have an advantage, but did he make less mistake than Duncan or MJ in his first 5 years?
I used to be one of those dudes that thought Phil has always been privileged to play w/ GREAT players and never really had to "prove" himself w/ "rebuilding".
Like I said earlier POP joined the Twin Towers Era and has done an excellent job in keeping the franchise at a high level.
But the 'More With Less' Critique doesnt hold up when comparing these two coaches....IMO.
The Spurs ring-teams have not been bereft of talent, I agree. They just seem to have been perfectly calibrated and had to run at peak performance to win and they did it four times (three, whatever). Phil had the larger than life cats who are singular and special, faces-of-the-league types with the rarest of killer instincts in Jordan and Kobe/Shaq. It's the rebuilding thing you mention above ultimately for me, and perhaps that isn't valid.
Robinson and Duncan are larger than life NBA players IMO.
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
It took a whole lot more coaching to make Tim Duncan the great that he is than it did to do the same for MJ and Kobe.
True.
But MJ didnt get a title until 8 years into is career and Pippin got on.
KOBE had Shaq, and wasnt THE MAN during those Champioships. I doubt KOBE would have LEAD those LA teams to a chip w/ out SHAQ and them in his first 5 seasons.
I dont see how one can accurately gauge all those cats growths while in a Champoinship team.
Yes KOBE came from B-Ball pedigree so he did have an advantage, but did he make less mistake than Duncan or MJ in his first 5 years?
I'm not trying to take away from Phil. Without his coaching genius, neither Chicago nor LA would have done so well. But how many of those rings was Phil expected to win vs. the Spurs seemingly coming out of the woodworks each time they took one?
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I don't know that Birdman is a knucklehead anymore...he seems to understand and play within his limitations for the most part. K-Mart is a knucklehead and will never be anything but a knucklehead. J.R. Smith has a big-time knucklehead streak in him, but he did manage to eliminate it for much of the series against the Lakers last year.
Reading is fundamental.
Also, Chauncey is an excellent defender, once again, you don't know what you're talking about. He may not be as quick as he used to be, but he's still a tough defender and he helps to "quarterback" the defense by calling out the switches and rotations. Please stop looking at stats to feign your knowledge about basketball.
Best defenders usually do this..That's why I was bitching all the time when Lakers went up against Bruce Bowen or Raja Bell or championship Celts.
#20/30 doesn't say anything? I don't understand your point.
Also, how's he an "excellent defender" if he can no longer keep his man from burning him?! Also isn't EVERYBODY supposed to call switches or yell for help?
In 3 games this year against the Mavs Melo has averaged 15 points...and each time you could see exactly how they got under the dude's skin and threw off his game from the get go.
Kidd knows this is his last chance.
Dirk was rejuvenated by the Josh Howard trade.
And after GenePontecorvo's Saints won the Super Bowl I wouldn't bet against his Mavs winning it all.....
2010 = Year Of The Bigg Dogg
Artest is a MUCH better defender than Bell and Bowen. But, I'll co-sign that not only do the best nba defenders play physical d, but that the nba refs let you play. if the nba refs called tight games, it would take away from the entertainment value.
reaching in? not part of an nba ref's vocabulary.
cuban is a pain in the ass.
Hahaha. "Denver has no knuckleheads". CLASSIC.
Mavs and Dirk are good for a grand clunker in every series. Spurs played superbly last night. Let's see if they can keep it up. Homecourt is minimal in this rivalry: each team can win at either venue.
It did suck though, no doubt!!!! God I hate the Spurs!!!!!!
Truedat. I'm glad the Spurs won one in Dallas, but it's far from a sure thing that they'll be able to prevent Dallas from returning the favor. And while Dirk probably won't be duplicating his game 1 performance, he won't be duplicating his game 2 performance, either.
Pop v. Phillip: who is the better coach?
I might take Pop......
Word to the muthafuckin' DJ Quik!
Phil - no question
I don't get it.
Who's done more with less?
Is it "the Triangle" or Shaq/Kobe/Jordo/Pipp?
Big Fundamental plus Defense plus Euros and Bruce Bowen = 4 rings.
What you got?
Here we go w/ the Jackson had great teams and Pop won w/ mediocre talent nonsense.
Here we go with a classic Batmon-esque dismissal without really sayin shit.
You ain't the expert, but I'm willing to listen if you want to talk.
Tim Duncan
The Admiral
Steve Smith
Manu Ginobli
Steve Kerr
Steven Jackson
Bruce Bowen
Tony Parker
Danny Ferry
Malik Rose
Kevin Willis
This a do more with less Championship squad?
I love me some POP, but when dude came down from Management, he didnt jump into a losing situation. And Duncan in his prime is in the same boat as any of Phil's stars.
Did i ever claim to be the expert. That's ur insecurity.
Lets not make this about me or u and talk basketball shit.
Check.
Hey man, that's what I'm sayin!
I love Phillip the individual and he is undoubtedly a great coach. It's an interesting debate I think, not "no question" or "nonsense". Hence the expert accusations. It's fun to mix it up too.
Like I said earlier POP joined the Twin Towers Era and has done an excellent job in keeping the franchise at a high level.
But the 'More With Less' Critique doesnt hold up when comparing these two coaches....IMO.
The Spurs ring-teams have not been bereft of talent, I agree. They just seem to have been perfectly calibrated and had to run at peak performance to win and they did it four times (three, whatever). Phil had the larger than life cats who are singular and special, faces-of-the-league types with the rarest of killer instincts in Jordan and Kobe/Shaq. It's the rebuilding thing you mention above ultimately for me, and perhaps that isn't valid.
True.
But MJ didnt get a title until 8 years into is career and Pippin got on.
KOBE had Shaq, and wasnt THE MAN during those Champioships. I doubt KOBE would have LEAD those LA teams to a chip w/ out SHAQ and them in his first 5 seasons.
I dont see how one can accurately gauge all those cats growths while in a Champoinship team.
Yes KOBE came from B-Ball pedigree so he did have an advantage, but did he make less mistake than Duncan or MJ in his first 5 years?
Robinson and Duncan are larger than life NBA players IMO.
I'm not trying to take away from Phil. Without his coaching genius, neither Chicago nor LA would have done so well. But how many of those rings was Phil expected to win vs. the Spurs seemingly coming out of the woodworks each time they took one?