Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121You have to admit though, if you are an athiest, buddhist, hindi, and especially a muslim you would pretty much have to be insane to support the republican party.b,121b,121You can at least admit that, right? b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121Waaaay off base.....all of the above can be fiscal conservatives and vote Republican based on that view if it's their priority.b,121b,121Keeping religion and politics separate is quite a concept. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121Well you would think but conservative republicans have made it clear that they are a christian party with christian values that panders to the christian right. Even if I'm fiscally conservative why would I join a party that basically says "your religion is not welcome here." Its the republicans that brought religion and politics together, not me.
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
What's with the so-called non-Republican trying way too hard to force anyone not just like him into some rigid slot? b,121b,121Actually, it's very telling of the Obama phenomenon where now even people who clearly carry a words-of-the-oppressor mindframe actually think of themselves as some sort of exception to the rule. b,121b,121Nope, vote for Obama all you want...it's not going to change the fact that you are an asshole through and through.
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
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Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121You have to admit though, if you are an athiest, buddhist, hindi, and especially a muslim you would pretty much have to be insane to support the republican party.b,121b,121You can at least admit that, right? b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121Waaaay off base.....all of the above can be fiscal conservatives and vote Republican based on that view if it's their priority.b,121b,121Keeping religion and politics separate is quite a concept. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121Well you would think but conservative republicans have made it clear that they are a christian party with christian values that panders to the christian right. Even if I'm fiscally conservative why would I join a party that basically says "your religion is not welcome here." Its the republicans that brought religion and politics together, not me. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121No, religion and politics have traditionally gone hand in hand. It's the left that has changed America by insisting that religion be extracted from the political equation in the most extreme of ways. So let's get this straight for once and for all...b,121b,121Christians are inclusionary. Assholes are exclusionary.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121You have to admit though, if you are an athiest, buddhist, hindi, and especially a muslim you would pretty much have to be insane to support the republican party.b,121b,121You can at least admit that, right? b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121It's not that simple. My dad's buddhist and has voted republican almost every election based independently on the issues that have been most important to him.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121You have to admit though, if you are an athiest, buddhist, hindi, and especially a muslim you would pretty much have to be insane to support the republican party.b,121b,121You can at least admit that, right? b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121Waaaay off base.....all of the above can be fiscal conservatives and vote Republican based on that view if it's their priority.b,121b,121Keeping religion and politics separate is quite a concept. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121Well you would think but conservative republicans have made it clear that they are a christian party with christian values that panders to the christian right. Even if I'm fiscally conservative why would I join a party that basically says "your religion is not welcome here." Its the republicans that brought religion and politics together, not me. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121No, religion and politics have traditionally gone hand in hand. It's the left that has changed America by insisting that religion be extracted from the political equation in the most extreme of ways. So let's get this straight for once and for all...b,121b,121Christians are inclusionary. Assholes are exclusionary. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121hmmm...but then Christianity and Assholery has gone hand in hand for CENTURIES, so where does that leave THAT theory?
Quote:/font1h,121b,121What's with the so-called non-Republican trying way too hard to force anyone not just like him into some rigid slot? b,121b,121Actually, it's very telling of the Obama phenomenon where now even people who clearly carry a words-of-the-oppressor mindframe actually think of themselves as some sort of exception to the rule. b,121b,121Nope, vote for Obama all you want...it's not going to change the fact that you are an asshole through and through. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121I'm not forcing folks like you to look like you have no place in any meaningful or serious political debate.b,121b,121You do that just fine by yourself with conspiracy theories and anarchist rants.b,121b,121The real fun will be when your kids figure out what a nut you are.b,121b,121And that's Mr. Asshole to you.
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
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Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121What's with the so-called non-Republican trying way too hard to force anyone not just like him into some rigid slot? b,121b,121Actually, it's very telling of the Obama phenomenon where now even people who clearly carry a words-of-the-oppressor mindframe actually think of themselves as some sort of exception to the rule. b,121b,121Nope, vote for Obama all you want...it's not going to change the fact that you are an asshole through and through. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121I'm not forcing folks like you to look like you have no place in any meaningful or serious political debate.b,121b,121You do that just fine by yourself with conspiracy theories and anarchist rants.b,121b,121The real fun will be when your kids figure out what a nut you are.b,121b,121And that's Mr. Asshole to you. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Wasn't even talking about you. b,121b,121But I guess when someone calls out "asshole", any and every asshole in the vacinity can't help but to reveal themselves.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121But I guess when someone calls out "asshole", any and every asshole in the vacinity can't help but to reveal themselves. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121That was actually kind of funny.b,121b,121b,121And to Ms. Damn; I realize its not exactly simple, but at the same time I wonder if your father were a Muslim fiscal conservative how he would vote.b,121b,121I guess it really boils down to what is more important to you. And thats not a judgement either, its just that some people don't really care that the republican party is a christian party as long as they keep taxes low or whatever. Thats fine.b,121b,121To me, social issues are more important, so my views are skewed in that direction.
Harvey...a christian republican apologist, who woulda thunk it...you do realize if you left the confines of Austin, most of your fellow Texans that are part of the right-wing Christian Republican ideologies would think your fondness for African Americans, Raps music and Voodoo food was Anti-American and Un-Christian...Just show up to a Sunday Baptist service somewhere around the vincinty of Abeline or such with your family, wearing a "Dj screw" t-shirt...lets see how many kind glances and handshakes and hugs you get from these inclusive peoples...
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121You have to admit though, if you are an athiest, buddhist, hindi, and especially a muslim you would pretty much have to be insane to support the republican party.b,121b,121You can at least admit that, right? b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121Waaaay off base.....all of the above can be fiscal conservatives and vote Republican based on that view if it's their priority.b,121b,121Keeping religion and politics separate is quite a concept. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121Well you would think but conservative republicans have made it clear that they are a christian party with christian values that panders to the christian right. Even if I'm fiscally conservative why would I join a party that basically says "your religion is not welcome here." Its the republicans that brought religion and politics together, not me. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121No, religion and politics have traditionally gone hand in hand. It's the left that has changed America by insisting that religion be extracted from the political equation in the most extreme of ways. So let's get this straight for once and for all...b,121b,121Christians are inclusionary. Assholes are exclusionary. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121You sound christian.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121The 60%-80% of hard working, taxpaying, logical thinking Americans want our country back.b,121b,121And it's about to happen. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121Based on what? The potential election of a centrist Democrat? b,121b,121When Clinton - the model of the modern centrist Democrat - got elected in 1992, that's what coincided with the rise of the "loony right" as you might call it. Because loons like nothing better than a foil and it doesn't matter what the actual policies or ideology of the person in office is so long as he or she is not "one of us." b,121b,121So I agree: Obama is NOT the savior for the progressive left - he's never sold himself like that and anyone who assumes he is hasn't done their homework on this actual policies - but if he gets elected, you're not going to see the instant disappearance of right-wing nut jobs and nor will the far left be any more placated (especially if the Iraq and Afghanistan wars are still in effect a year or so from now).b,121b,121To put it another: the political polarization of American society is something that's been in the workings for decades and can survive quite independently regardless of who's in the Oval Office. b,121b,121I think the wild card though is that we're seeing demographic shifts - based on age and ethnicity - that may change the conversation; at least one hopes so.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121You have to admit though, if you are an athiest, buddhist, hindi, and especially a muslim you would pretty much have to be insane to support the republican party. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121You sound disconnected from who actually votes for the GOP.b,121b,121Personally, I don't see why anyone not rich AND white would vote for the GOP but last I checked, the party still gets around 40-50% of the country's support every time an election rolls around. And that includes support from non-Christians.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121You sound disconnected from who actually votes for the GOP.b,121b,121Personally, I don't see why anyone not rich AND white would vote for the GOP but last I checked, the party still gets around 40-50% of the country's support every time an election rolls around. And that includes support from non-Christians. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121Well, I do try and listen to the right-wing radio so that I can understand how they poison this country. But usually it gets me so angry I have to turn it off.b,121b,121b,121b,121I can understand some people putting their beleifs aside to MAKE THAT MONEY.... I guess. Maybe if I was super rich I wouldn't give a shit either. But I'm not and their extremist xian agenda really scares me.
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
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Quote:/font1h,121b,121Harvey...a christian republican apologist, who woulda thunk it...you do realize if you left the confines of Austin, most of your fellow Texans that are part of the right-wing Christian Republican ideologies would think your fondness for African Americans, Raps music and Voodoo food was Anti-American and Un-Christian...Just show up to a Sunday Baptist service somewhere around the vincinty of Abeline or such with your family, wearing a "Dj screw" t-shirt...lets see how many kind glances and handshakes and hugs you get from these inclusive peoples... b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121Chalk up another one for the anti-Republican team that makes it its policy to box people unlike themselves into rigid stereotypes.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121What's with the so-called non-Republican trying way too hard to force anyone not just like him into some rigid slot? b,121b,121Actually, it's very telling of the Obama phenomenon where now even people who clearly carry a words-of-the-oppressor mindframe actually think of themselves as some sort of exception to the rule. b,121b,121Nope, vote for Obama all you want...it's not going to change the fact that you are an asshole through and through. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121I'm not forcing folks like you to look like you have no place in any meaningful or serious political debate.b,121b,121You do that just fine by yourself with conspiracy theories and anarchist rants.b,121b,121The real fun will be when your kids figure out what a nut you are.b,121b,121And that's Mr. Asshole to you. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Wasn't even talking about you. b,121b,121But I guess when someone calls out "asshole", any and every asshole in the vacinity can't help but to reveal themselves. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Only when you address the person by virtue of having their name at the top of your post.b,121b,121Wouldn't have been the first time you referred to me as Mr. Asshole.b,121b,121I apologize for the misunderstanding.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121Harvey...a christian republican apologist, who woulda thunk it...you do realize if you left the confines of Austin, most of your fellow Texans that are part of the right-wing Christian Republican ideologies would think your fondness for African Americans, Raps music and Voodoo food was Anti-American and Un-Christian...Just show up to a Sunday Baptist service somewhere around the vincinty of Abeline or such with your family, wearing a "Dj screw" t-shirt...lets see how many kind glances and handshakes and hugs you get from these inclusive peoples... b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121Chalk up another one for the anti-Republican team that makes it its policy to box people unlike themselves into rigid stereotypes. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/funnypost.gif" alt="" 21b,121Someone co-opts Harvey's strategy, be prepared...
Quote:/font1h,121b,121Rock: I think that's the conventional wisdom but it gets repeated too much out of context. Negativity can be an asset but it's hardly the road to victory. In most LOSING campaigns, the candidate will have gone negative yet...they still lost! b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121Some short "fact check" report in the paper said that in the last several weeks 100% of McCain's ads have been negative, and 70% of Obama's ads were negative. So it's "winning" and "losing." b,121b,121The reason why it's used so much is because, 1) It's part of the culture of many political campaign managers who parrot what everyone else does. 2) More importantly the more negative you go, the fewer people vote, which leaves the older wealthier people who always vote. That makes predicting the winner much easier because you have a smaller sample size and you can break down their voting records over the last ten years district by district, block by block if you want to find out what areas you need to target to get the % to win.
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
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Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121if Obama actually was a terrorist he would get Harveys vote for sure b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/breakface.gif" alt="" 21 b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Already done said in another thread...Colt McCoy 4 President![/b]
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121if Obama actually was a terrorist he would get Harveys vote for sure b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/breakface.gif" alt="" 21 b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Already done said in another thread...Colt McCoy 4 President![/b] b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121LOOOLb,121b,121Man, ol' Johnny boy isn't sounding too optimistic...b,121b,121b,121b,121On Sunday, Fox News host Chris Wallace asked John McCain how he would feel if he lost the presidential race to Barack Obama:b,121b,121 "Oh, sure,'' Mr. McCain said. " I mean, I don't dwell on it. But, look, I've a wonderful life. I have to go back and live in Arizona, be in the United States Senate representing them, a wonderful family, daughters and sons that I'm so proud of and a life that's been blessed. I'm the luckiest guy you have ever interviewed and will ever interview. I'm the most fortunate man on earth and I thank God for it every single day.''b,121b,121 "So if the world turns an unfortunate way on November 4th, don't feel sorry for John McCain?" Mr. Wallace asked.b,121b,121 "Don't feel sorry for John McCain and John McCain will be concentrating on not feeling sorry for himself,'' Mr. McCain said.b,121b,121 Mr. Wallace said, "And you might just be president."b,121b,121 "You never know,'' Mr. McCain said.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121if Obama actually was a terrorist he would get Harveys vote for sure b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/breakface.gif" alt="" 21 b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Already done said in another thread...Colt McCoy 4 President![/b] b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Hook 'em!
With such luminaries as Pat Buchanan, George Will, and Rush saying that Powell's decision to endorse Ombama was a racial one, political cartoonist Gordon Campbell (whom I have never heard of until now) has weighed in on it with this classy bit:b,121b,121img src="http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn252/Saracenus/Politics/benedict-powell.jpg"1b,121If you don't recognize it, the picture is Benedict Arnold in black face.b,121b,121With Christopher Buckley they didn't have the skin tone thing to use against him. So, the lesson here is, you can complain about the failures of the McCain campaign (I am looking at you George Will) but gods help you if you actually cross party lines and tell people you are voting for the other team...b,121b,121I guess this puts to the lie the whole "Country First" meme and lays it out starkly as, "Its Party First Stupid!"b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nagl2.gif" alt="" 21
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121political threads are an invaluable resource of the strut...between motown, dan,odubb, vitamin,rockadelic,etc...i have a well researched, finger on the pulse, linked up, clever, comabatative, intergenerational take on current politics. F*ck CNN! i go to soulstrut first!!b,121b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121I feel you. My dislike of political threads stems from my dislike of political discussions period. Like I said, nothing's ever solved, minds aren't changed. I just avoid the unnecessary frustration and anger. I can't recall one political thread that was argument-, drama- & bullshit-free. Ever.b,121b,121I can see how reading these can prepare somebody for some real-world talks though. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121My real life political discussions are nothing like my soulstrut poli talks. b,121b,121But I do learn a lot of political stuff and perspectives (like Nalin Palin) that I share with people in the real world. b,121b,121I also get a lot of news first here. And the analysis here is better than on tv or often even npr. The life debate and after debate talk here was much better than anywhere else.
I am surprised that Kala and Harvey are the only anti-Powell voices here. b,121b,121As a young Lt straight out of West Point Powell was sent to Vietnam to investigate the Mylai massacre. His report was a cover up of the atrocities. Which is exactly what his commanders, and political leaders wanted. b,121b,121He continued to rise through the ranks as a politically and militarily savvy officer.b,121b,121When Clinton was elected he resigned as a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. He retired from the military. b,121b,121He resigned, and retired for purely political reasons. His was perhaps the most high profile politification of the military in our countries history.b,121b,121When the Rs regained control he reentered the halls of power. And again he knowingly gave a false report to please those in power. b,121b,121The political winds have shifted and so has he. Perhaps his endorsement took so long because he was trying to extract a promise of a political post before endorsing. b,121b,121The love for him here surprises me.
My views are way to the left of Obama's.b,121b,121Last fall I said I would support which every candidate came out for single payer universal health care. to my disappointment only Kucinich did. His views on foreign policy and other issues are also likely closer to mine than Obama's. b,121b,121But, I did not like Kucinich that much, I did not think he was electable, I did think he was a nut job. b,121b,121So I looked at Edwards, Clinton & Obama (Even as I wondered who Dodd and the others were.) and decided on Obama mostly because he was the only one who opposed the war in Iraq. b,121b,121Obama is not my savior.b,121b,121I do think he could be one of our greatest presidents, but I will hold that discussion until after Nov 4th. b,121b,121Vote.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121Obama is not my savior.b,121b,121I do think he could be one of our greatest presidents (which in my opinion isn't saying much)[/b], but I will hold that discussion until after Nov 4th. b,121b,121Vote. b,121b,121h,121
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