b,121There's a huge difference between Dolo and Eli (Vitamin.) This dude is just trolling.
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b,121PLUS - AGAIN: What does he contribute other than being the "sole voice of political dissent" in an antagonizing and combative manner?
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b,121He's doing the SAME EXACT THING the rest of you are doing except he's doing it for "the other side".
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b,121Do you think if guys like Saracenus or YP or most of the political contributors here posted their material at a Conservative leaning site it would be considered "trolling"...of course it would.
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b,121The general vibe here is that this is a Left/Liberal/Dem site and others are not welcome.
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b,121I don't understand people with conservative politics who try to hang out in creative circles... it's not that creative people's politics are superior, it's just that it doesn't work on a basic social level. Creative people are always trying to imagine the world differently, which means they have no investment in conservative ideals.
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b,121It's actually something that I found interesting, and I don't really fully believe it, but found it an apt description in the case with Dolo.
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b,121But you know, dude, I'm just a "cowardly Democrat."
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font class="post"1b,121b,121I don't think of you as a cowardly Democrat, but at times you do indeed act like a cowardly Democrat. b,121b,121Dolo actually seesm to be using tact lately. He's citing sources, not resoting to underhanded bullshit...and y'all still can't handle it with anything but "ban him". b,121b,121I know dolo has more history here than just the past couple of days, but y'all are really showing some bad cards in the way y'all are attacking his freedome to even express himself rather than just dealing with the points at hand. b,121b,121Whatever though, I'm putting on like I care way more than I actually do.
b,121There's a huge difference between Dolo and Eli (Vitamin.) This dude is just trolling.
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b,121He's doing the SAME EXACT THING the rest of you are doing except he's doing it for "the other side".
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b,121The general vibe here is that this is a Left/Liberal/Dem site and others are not welcome.
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b,121Yeah man you're absolutely right. But guess what, man? I guess I'm intolerant towards Republicans and / or "those people" who align themselves with an ideology of such hatred and bigotry, an ideology that is against everything in my core. F*ck it, that's how it is...
b,121There's a huge difference between Dolo and Eli (Vitamin.) This dude is just trolling.
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b,121He's doing the SAME EXACT THING the rest of you are doing except he's doing it for "the other side".
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b,121There's a huge difference between Dolo and Eli (Vitamin.) This dude is just trolling.
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b,121He's doing the SAME EXACT THING the rest of you are doing except he's doing it for "the other side".
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b,121The general vibe here is that this is a Left/Liberal/Dem site and others are not welcome.
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b,121Yeah man you're absolutely right. But guess what, man? I guess I'm intolerant towards Republicans and / or "those people" who align themselves with an ideology of such hatred and bigotry, an ideology that is against everything in my core. F*ck it, that's how it is...
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b,121There's a huge difference between Dolo and Eli (Vitamin.) This dude is just trolling.
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b,121He's doing the SAME EXACT THING the rest of you are doing except he's doing it for "the other side".
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b,121Yeah man you're absolutely right. But guess what, man? I guess I'm intolerant towards Republicans and / or "those people" who align themselves with an ideology of such hatred and bigotry, an ideology that is against everything in my core. F*ck it, that's how it is...
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On any message board, there's always a few people whose sole purpose is to stir up shit and not for any real reason except to stir up shit. Dolo is our resident troll and it's amazing, to me anyhow, how many people engage him and then turn around and complain about what a negative presence he is. If people uniformly ignored Dolo, at worst, he'd just be the crazy guy, mumbling in the corner. At best, he'd realize he's not getting the attention he craves and then bounce. b,121b,121This has nothing to do with his views. It's about his attitude. Dolo treats the board - deliberately - as a collective of people he holds beneath contempt. b,121b,121I don't see how the latter is worth defending. b,121b,121Rock: if your neighbor calls you an asshole, your wife a whore and your children stupid, you still inviting him over for Sunday BBQ, just to be neighborly?
b,121maybe I missed something, but I thought it had been aptly demonstrated that Dolo had no records..
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b,121That's not even the point. I mean, look at the most popular threads on the Strut for the last month? We've become "Presidential Race Strut" and that's fine since enough of the community here wants to take it there. The problem with Dolo is not that he doesn't talk about records. If we were going to single out people who don't talk about records, we might as well paint a circle around at least half the board of late.
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b,121That's not even the point. I mean, look at the most popular threads on the Strut for the last month? We've become "Presidential Race Strut" and that's fine since enough of the community here wants to take it there. The problem with Dolo is not that he doesn't talk about records. If we were going to single out people who don't talk about records, we might as well paint a circle around at least half the board of late.
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b,121That's not even the point. I mean, look at the most popular threads on the Strut for the last month? We've become "Presidential Race Strut" and that's fine since enough of the community here wants to take it there. The problem with Dolo is not that he doesn't talk about records. If we were going to single out people who don't talk about records, we might as well paint a circle around at least half the board of late.
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b,121It would be really consistent if at your next show you asked who was voting Republican and then immediately threw them out of the venue.
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font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121I have been mostly active on the political threads for now (something I am passionate about). When I introduced myself to the list I made no bones that I am not a crate digger. b,121b,121For the most part on the music side of this board I have been asking for recommendations and reading new and old threads about music and vinyl, educating myself. The few music based topics I have ventured a post have been pretty safe ground for me.b,121b,121Frankly if I tried to speak up on a majority of musical topics right now I would be no better than Sarah Palin mouthing talking points (and probably do a worse job of it). When I have something to say about a music thread and I know what I am talking about, I will say it. I have no problem getting clowned for my musical choices but I am not going to front knowledge about it when I don't have it.b,121b,121The main reason I joined up because of the sly humor that most of you have. I basically think you guys are cool. b,121b,121It remains to be seen if I find a place myself here, but I am going to find out. At the very least I will come away from here with a broader exposure to some incredible music I would have never heard otherwise.
b,121This has nothing to do with his views. It's about his attitude. Dolo treats the board - deliberately - as a collective of people he holds beneath contempt.
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b,121I don't see how the latter is worth defending.
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b,121Rock: if your neighbor calls you an asshole, your wife a whore and your children stupid, you still inviting him over for Sunday BBQ, just to be neighborly?
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b,121Truth is that many here LOVE Dolo-like rhetoric when they philosophically agree with it.
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b,121I have been mostly active on the political threads for now (something I am passionate about). When I introduced myself to the list I made no bones that I am not a crate digger.
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b,121For the most part on the music side of this board I have been asking for recommendations and reading new and old threads about music and vinyl, educating myself. The few music based topics I have ventured a post have been pretty safe ground for me.
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b,121Frankly if I tried to speak up on a majority of musical topics right now I would be no better than Sarah Palin mouthing talking points (and probably do a worse job of it). When I have something to say about a music thread and I know what I am talking about, I will say it. I have no problem getting clowned for my musical choices but I am not going to front knowledge about it when I don't have it.
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b,121The main reason I joined up because of the sly humor that most of you have. I basically think you guys are cool.
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b,121whenever the masses here don't like someone the first dart they throw is "You don't even post about music/beats/braeks"
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b,121Not exactly. You're assuming all the hate against Dolo is for his views and I vehemently disagree. It's about his attitude.
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b,121For real R***, I think this is just a joke at this point (well, for most people).
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b,121If I recall, it first started back when Saba first hit the board and the most common defense for his presence was, "at least he talks about Brazilian records!" and then, from there, the meme acquired a life of its own.
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b,121As a community, Soulstrut accepts a HUGE amount of dissent over everything from free jazz to Trina to Popeye sides to - yes - politics. No one, that I can remember, has ever asked for Vitamin to get banned and he's arguably the most "real" right-winger we have around here. You know why?
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b,121Soulstrut's ability to accept that dissent is because generally, people get along despite their differences of view and can treat one another with a basic level of civility and cordiality. To put it in Bushian language: we'd buy beers for one another.
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