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b,121Anyone have a link to this quote in a transcript? I'd like to send it to my wife so she can give it to the idiots in her school who think Obama is a Muslim.
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b,121"You mentioned education and I'm glad you did.
I know education you are passionate about with your wife being a teacher for 30 years, and god bless her. Her reward is in heaven, right?/b1 I say, too, with education, America needs to be putting a lot more focus on that and our schools have got to be really ramped up in terms of the funding that they are deserving."b,121b,121It makes my eye twitch when I read it, the mangled grammar is painful. Must go get bled by leeches again, my humors have become unaligned once more. b,121b,121h,121
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b,121I assume it's some sort of folksy aphorism that resonates at the kitchen table off main street?
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font class="post"1b,121b,121There you go again.b,121b,121The problem with the spew that ran out of her mouth is that the only people left analyzing this tripe is people who don't think she's qualified or smart enough in the first place. Her people heard english words and that was enough for them.
Having never heard Biden speak before, I was impressed with what he had to say. Informed, factual to-the-point answers. I think there were maybe 2 times he rambled a little, but he brought his point back strong. And you had to feel for him when he choked a little mentioning his deceased wife and daughter.b,121b,121Palin was the polar opposite. Non-answers, terrible grammar, and playing heavily on the 'i'm-just-a-regular-person-like-you-folks' schtick. It was like nails on a chalkboard.
b,121Coming from a table of academics in California, it just sounds like typical Democrat mentality - "Americans are stupid that's why we don't win".
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b,121I wouldn't be so fast to agree with Odub on the debate helping McCain much.
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in good times, or even bad times that aren't devastating, i would presume that the "who you'd rather have a beer with" factor is much more significant.b,121b,121i'm sure there are millions of americans who think obama is an elitist, or just an intellectual they can't relate to. however, when the economy is shit, and nobody seems to have a solution, you want 2 professors on the job, not a soccer mom and some crazy old war hero, even if you relate much more closely to the latter.
I want people to be pessimistic. If everyone starts to feel confident, they might not vote.b,121b,121Palin got a lot of credit for her "coherent" performance last night. But reading this stuff in the transcript, I am not so sure. Her thought process is mind-boggling.
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Today's headlines from conservative columnists (Goldberg, Brooks, Krauthammer, etc), who just one week ago were calling for Palin to step aside, is that she did great because she didn't draw a blank when asked her own name. "She wins because she's not the retard you saw last week on CBS". So cynical.
font class="post"1b,121b,121Truly. What I find perhaps most disturbing is her penchant for conflated causes and effects. Like in this quote from last night:b,121b,121"I'm not one to attribute every man -- activity of man to the changes in the climate."b,121b,121It's like she understands that there is supposed to be a connection between the idea of human activity and the idea of climate change, but her mind can't grasp the actual relationship between the two.b,121b,121Frightening.
b,121Truly. What I find perhaps most disturbing is her penchant for conflated causes and effects. Like in this quote from last night:
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b,121Today's headlines from conservative columnists (Goldberg, Brooks, Krauthammer, etc), who just one week ago were calling for Palin to step aside, is that she did great because she didn't draw a blank when asked her own name. "She wins because she's not the retard you saw last week on CBS". So cynical.
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b,121I want people to be pessimistic. If everyone starts to feel confident, they might not vote.
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font class="post"1b,121b,121I hear you but the thing is: people aren't worried that turnout will be bad. The concern is over some crazy, conspiracy-level, backdoor chicanery that will negate the popular will. b,121b,121I don't know if that pessimism is "good" or "bad" - I just find it really fascinating that the better the news on the ground looks, the greater the belief in some incredibly high level of intervention.
font class="post"1b,121b,121For real - I can't remember the last time expectations were so basement-low for a public official. b,121b,121I>And this is the vice-president we're talking about[/i].
"Say it ain't so, Joe?"b,121b,121Who says that? I mean, unless your a child actor from the 50's. But, the VP candidate? When her mouth opens I must leave the room, kind of like Bush. It was difficult to watch last night ... that voice ... ahhhh!
b,121Who says that? I mean, unless your a child actor from the 50's. But, the VP candidate? When her mouth opens I must leave the room, kind of like Bush. It was difficult to watch last night ... that voice ... ahhhh!
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anybody else think joe-sixpack is a horrible expressionb,121b,121what if your stepfather was an abusive alcoholicb,121b,121Joe sixpack...how is this a positive way of describing an everyday amaerican citizenb,121b,121did you guys catch the intereactive independents cnn were having watch the debatesb,121b,121the republican palin supporter was a freeky looking unable to make a sentence somewhat glue-huffing woman who was scarier than miss "get back at ya" herself
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I know education you are passionate about with your wife being a teacher for 30 years, and god bless her. Her reward is in heaven, right?/b1 I say, too, with education, America needs to be putting a lot more focus on that and our schools have got to be really ramped up in terms of the funding that they are deserving."b,121b,121It makes my eye twitch when I read it, the mangled grammar is painful. Must go get bled by leeches again, my humors have become unaligned once more. b,121b,121h,121
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b,121Coming from a table of academics in California, it just sounds like typical Democrat mentality - "Americans are stupid that's why we don't win".
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b,121I didn't say nor imply that at all. For one thing the "table of academics" included someone from Atlanta and someone else from Chicago - not a group of Berkeley n' Birkenstock latte sippers. And none of us implied "Americans are stupid." I'm completely puzzled over where you got that from.
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font class="post"1b,121b,121Really? After the fiasco that was 2000 and the disappointment of 2004? Lefties are shook (hint: see YP from a few weeks back) that no matter what happens, the GOP will find some magic rabbit to pull out of the hat (read: Osama in handcuffs), to win in a month. b,121b,121Though, in the case of the folks at the pub with me, their bigger concern wasn't so much an October surprise, but more like 1) the Bradley Effect to end all Bradley Effects and/or 2) rigged voting machines or some other form of MASSIVE voter fraud. b,121b,121/font1
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font class="post"1b,121b,121Only the last person I just mentioned thought poorly of the electorate as a whole. The other two didn't think Americans - writ large - were the problem. They were primarily worried about 1) specifically White democrats who'll switch over to McCain, either because they're PUMAs or closet racists or whatever and 2) behind-the-scenes manipulation, ala hacking Diebold. Neither has nothing to do with the electorate as a whole and the latter has absolutely nothing to do with voters at all. It's worry about powerful institutions and their agents. I don't find that condescending - paranoid, sure - but hardly looking down on the "everyman/woman". More like worried about Rovians.
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font class="post"1b,121b,121The only place this lives is in right wing blogs. There's just no credible evidence that such a thing exists.b,121b,121To be blunt, especially now that you've revealed that two of three are non-white, this just sounds more superstitious than paranoid... and frankly, disconnected from white folks.b,121b,121As RootlessCosmo mentioned somewhere else, people who think that white Obama supporters are racist and therefore will secretly vote for McCain don't understand the stealth with which racism operates in 2008. These white folks may well be racist in some way: they may not want black neighbors, may put their kids in homogeneous prep schools, may be scared to venture into mixed urban neighborhoods (let alone actual ghettos)... but they are definitely going to vote for Obama. They want to vote for Obama. It makes them feel a lot better about the elements of racism that still exist within them.b,121b,121There are plenty of reasons to oppose Obama that don't have to do with his race - and there are plenty of folks who will be open about not voting for a mixed-race candidate with a Muslim name without having to lie. The idea that there is a massive population of whites who will secretly vote for McCain after they've supported Obama to telephone pollsters (how much more anonymity do you need?) just has no basis in fact at all.b,121b,121As far as massive diebold voter fraud... again, as Onetet posted elsewhere, Americans might be ok with a little vote flubbing here and there... but anyone who thinks that the Republicans can pull off a massive vote heist - and have America just go along with it - and have it take place across numerous states hundreds of miles apart no less - is veering dangerously close to tinfoil hat territory. Not to mention, Democrats are just as likely to dabble with minor voter fraud and the two sides will likely cancel each other out.b,121b,121I don't want to be a blind optimist here, but your friends just sound way, way out of it. I think Obama has a far better chance of success than failure. And not to be morbid, but there's better odds he's assassinated than has some massive Bradley Effect or organized voter fraud keep him from office.
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