Also, Pickwick, I was thinking, this type of situation is how I first met you...I was manning the table at the Stomp and this dude was asking me about Earl Gaines and I told dude he was a very underrated soul singer and that he was great, and you cosigned on that, as you were at the table as well. Dude came back the next day telling me how much he dug the Earl and thanked me (and you) for the recommendation.
Does anybody think perhaps the Usher/Just Blaze sample was a bigger factor in increasing demand for this record?
Not really. I'm doubting the Dilla factor too.
In Detroit when it comes to this record, it's Dilla. Not sure about other places. Escorts, Sylvers, Motherlode - when you get 5 dudes asking you for 10CC in two days, it's Dilla.
it'd have to be, because dionne was essentially a has-been when she made that record...she'd just changed labels (from scepter to warners) and i dont think she was working with bacharach and david anymore...later she'd make a full-on comeback on arista, but that was a few years away...so why people would single out this particular mid-career album could only be because of a sample
only one thing worse than "not into common shit," and that is "not into it because i never heard of it."
Wasn't that song comped somewhere though, before it got looped? I might be mis-remembering this. I got turned onto it before "Donuts." I think before Just Blaze/Usher too but it could have been that the person who put me up on it had learned about it via JB/U.
I guess I doubt how much ANY album gets sudden boostage due to sampling these days but I'd love to be proven wrong since I'm always interested in what changes the desirability of certain LPs.
Not for anything, but I have never never ever even seen this record in the real world. Not at a show, not in a dollar bin hammered, nowhere. So I'm gonna go ahead and proclaim it
Me neither. I see a ton of Dionne records but never that one.
This used to be a staple in the dollar bin where I work - then Dilla hit it. Suddenly, there were none to be found. Where did they all go? Cats were fiending for this record in Detroit. It is a really common record, at one point in time it used to get quarter binned or thrown out. Since the great Dilla rush of '06, I've seen about 10 copies come in, I just don't put them on the floor anymore for the flippers to get, I sell them to dudes who want them to listen to for the whopping price of... $1.
EXACTLY! it is common and i've seen my share of them over the past 10 years until dilla decided to use it.. if people wanna sweat the record for good music whatever, but $18 that hrinkkkunt got is strictly due to ebay bidding. It's a $1 record just like valley of the dolls and everything else she did sampled or not.
I heard a friend of a friend of hrinkkkunt was buying them all up and snapping them in half for the trash bin. Thus making the elusiveness and price more outraegous for everyone bidding on his auction.
Does anybody think perhaps the Usher/Just Blaze sample was a bigger factor in increasing demand for this record?
Not really. I'm doubting the Dilla factor too.
In Detroit when it comes to this record, it's Dilla. Not sure about other places. Escorts, Sylvers, Motherlode - when you get 5 dudes asking you for 10CC in two days, it's Dilla.
MCF
Which Sylvers though? Haven't their first three albums always been in decent demand, especially "II"?
Wasn't that song comped somewhere though, before it got looped? I might be mis-remembering this. I got turned onto it before "Donuts." I think before Just Blaze/Usher too but it could have been that the person who put me up on it had learned about it via JB/U.
I don't know if its been comped but it has been dapped up here numerous times over the years. Thats the only reason I knew to keep an eye out for it, and in all these years I've seen it once, maybe twice.
If its really that common in Detroit and The_Non (record devourer) has never seen it its gotta be a regional thing.
"You Can Have Him" is a song I can listen to a bazillion times and never tire of...amazing arrangement on that one, and Dionne seems to really let loose on it, and Dionne rarely "lets loose"
have a listen arranging
Love this record. My dude put me down with this way back in the day. He was a drum & bass DJ and told me "Cos you gotta hear this shit." Great song - and in my pile of records to encode. Thanks Hook-up.
As for the argument, like I'll listen to this before a lot of other "cool" shit:
it'd have to be, because dionne was essentially a has-been when she made that record...she'd just changed labels (from scepter to warners) and i dont think she was working with bacharach and david anymore...later she'd make a full-on comeback on arista, but that was a few years away...so why people would single out this particular mid-career album could only be because of a sample
only one thing worse than "not into common shit," and that is "not into it because i never heard of it."
Wasn't that song comped somewhere though, before it got looped? I might be mis-remembering this. I got turned onto it before "Donuts." I think before Just Blaze/Usher too but it could have been that the person who put me up on it had learned about it via JB/U.
I guess I doubt how much ANY album gets sudden boostage due to sampling these days but I'd love to be proven wrong since I'm always interested in what changes the desirability of certain LPs.
Well, something caused an abrupt increase in demand for what had previously been a widely available Dionne Warwick record--that much is not in dispute, right?
So if you don't attribute it to the record being sampled, what do you put it down to? A comp. which may or may not even exist and whose name you can't remember?
I think the right sample does still increase demand for a record--it won't turn a dollar bin record into a wallpiece, but when somebody lifts a big and recognizable chunk of it and the sampling record then receives wide exposure, people get interested. See: Rasputin Stash about a year ago.
Does anybody think perhaps the Usher/Just Blaze sample was a bigger factor in increasing demand for this record?
Not really. I'm doubting the Dilla factor too.
In Detroit when it comes to this record, it's Dilla. Not sure about other places. Escorts, Sylvers, Motherlode - when you get 5 dudes asking you for 10CC in two days, it's Dilla.
MCF
Which Sylvers though? Haven't their first three albums always been in decent demand, especially "II"?
Sure they've always been in demand but I never got multiple phone calls asking us if we have "any Sylvers on wax" until Dilla hit it. It's more about when a half dozen people start asking you in the same week for these random records (rare or common) you start to wonder why, and the trail almost always leads back to Dilla.
I (my wallet) wish all good records were common, but that's just not the case. There are a ton of good common records and there are a ton of good rare records. That's where I distinguish records... good vs bad. We talk about rare records more around here because of their obscurity and such, but that doesn't mean we wouldn't all ride for Curtis - S/T for example.
Wasn't that song comped somewhere though, before it got looped? I might be mis-remembering this. I got turned onto it before "Donuts." I think before Just Blaze/Usher too but it could have been that the person who put me up on it had learned about it via JB/U.
I don't know if its been comped but it has been dapped up here numerous times over the years. Thats the only reason I knew to keep an eye out for it, and in all these years I've seen it once, maybe twice.
But how many times do you think you came across it prior to that and ignored it as just being another late period Dionne Warwick dollar binner? Until somebody told me that it some cool HDH production on it, I never would have thought to check for it.
Well, something caused an abrupt increase in demand for what had previously been a widely available Dionne Warwick record--that much is not in dispute, right?
So if you don't attribute it to the record being sampled, what do you put it down to? A comp. which may or may not even exist and whose name you can't remember?
I think the right sample does still increase demand for a record--it won't turn a dollar bin record into a wallpiece, but when somebody lifts a big and recognizable chunk of it and the sampling record then receives wide exposure, people get interested. See: Rasputin Stash about a year ago.
I'm not denying this but I think the question here is one of timeline. You're probably right - for some reason, I just thought this Warwick album was kind of "known" prior but I can't get my timing straight anymore.
But as to who was more influential:
Usher's "Throwback" was 2004 Donuts was early 2006.
Well, something caused an abrupt increase in demand for what had previously been a widely available Dionne Warwick record--that much is not in dispute, right?
So if you don't attribute it to the record being sampled, what do you put it down to? A comp. which may or may not even exist and whose name you can't remember?
I think the right sample does still increase demand for a record--it won't turn a dollar bin record into a wallpiece, but when somebody lifts a big and recognizable chunk of it and the sampling record then receives wide exposure, people get interested. See: Rasputin Stash about a year ago.
I'm not denying this but I think the question here is one of timeline. You're probably right - for some reason, I just thought this Warwick album was kind of "known" prior but I can't get my timing straight anymore.
But as to who was more influential:
Usher's "Throwback" was 2004 Donuts was early 2006.
When did this Warwick album go scarce?
Okay, see, I didn't know even know what the Dilla sample was or when it came out--that having now been clarified, I don't think there's any question that Ursh was a much bigger factor, since demand went up for the record well before last year.
I'll listen to this before a lot of other "cool" shit:
Getting ready for my set at a bar I occasionally play at I decided to have one last random pull from the Expedit for something to playout.
So yeah out comes the BT Express joint, I decide to give it a quick spin for the first time in years and shit was still good! Its going to stay in the record bag for a while now, loads of good tracks for playing out.
Well, something caused an abrupt increase in demand for what had previously been a widely available Dionne Warwick record--that much is not in dispute, right?
So if you don't attribute it to the record being sampled, what do you put it down to? A comp. which may or may not even exist and whose name you can't remember?
I think the right sample does still increase demand for a record--it won't turn a dollar bin record into a wallpiece, but when somebody lifts a big and recognizable chunk of it and the sampling record then receives wide exposure, people get interested. See: Rasputin Stash about a year ago.
I'm not denying this but I think the question here is one of timeline. You're probably right - for some reason, I just thought this Warwick album was kind of "known" prior but I can't get my timing straight anymore.
But as to who was more influential:
Usher's "Throwback" was 2004 Donuts was early 2006.
When did this Warwick album go scarce?
Okay, see, I didn't know even know what the Dilla sample was or when it came out--that having now been clarified, I don't think there's any question that Ursh was a much bigger factor, since demand went up for the record well before last year.
In fact, weren't you hyping it up via blog entries prior to that point?
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Well, something caused an abrupt increase in demand for what had previously been a widely available Dionne Warwick record--that much is not in dispute, right?
So if you don't attribute it to the record being sampled, what do you put it down to? A comp. which may or may not even exist and whose name you can't remember?
I think the right sample does still increase demand for a record--it won't turn a dollar bin record into a wallpiece, but when somebody lifts a big and recognizable chunk of it and the sampling record then receives wide exposure, people get interested. See: Rasputin Stash about a year ago.
I'm not denying this but I think the question here is one of timeline. You're probably right - for some reason, I just thought this Warwick album was kind of "known" prior but I can't get my timing straight anymore.
But as to who was more influential:
Usher's "Throwback" was 2004 Donuts was early 2006.
When did this Warwick album go scarce?
Okay, see, I didn't know even know what the Dilla sample was or when it came out--that having now been clarified, I don't think there's any question that Ursh was a much bigger factor, since demand went up for the record well before last year.
In fact, weren't you hyping it up via blog entries prior to that point?
Gotta admit that Soul Sides is what initially put me onto it. The sample already sounded really familiar to me by that time though...not sure exactly how.
But I'll have y'all know that after continually passing on a $12 copy available at Friends of Sound, I eventually picked one up at Goodwill for a dollar.
it'd have to be, because dionne was essentially a has-been when she made that record...she'd just changed labels (from scepter to warners) and i dont think she was working with bacharach and david anymore...later she'd make a full-on comeback on arista, but that was a few years away...so why people would single out this particular mid-career album could only be because of a sample
only one thing worse than "not into common shit," and that is "not into it because i never heard of it."
Hey, it's a fact...Dionne was not in her commercial prime when that LP came out. Nobody ever talks about her Warner Bros. years (when she added a silent "e" to her last name) as being prime Dionne Warwick. That doesn't mean the record is bad, but it is interesting that everybody is seemingly glomming onto THIS Dionne album at THIS time.
And no, I haven't heard the LP, but I'd be open to the possibility!
What you tryin' to do, catch me in a lie? Ain't workin'!
this is actually the most common Curtis album. (save for Superfly) it sold very well in comparison to the other solo LP's he put out.
Must be a regional thing. I live in Chicago, where Curtis and Curtom Records were based, and I never see the first three Curtis albums that often. And when Roots turns up, the perforated back cover is usually missing.
Don't get me wrong, I see Curtis, Curtis/Live! and Roots from time to time, but not with the same frequency as the others.
this is actually the most common Curtis album. (save for Superfly) it sold very well in comparison to the other solo LP's he put out.
hmmm... i'd like to see some stats on this... this is definitely the LAST of the prime-era Curtis solo LPs that turns up around here. The double live one is an easy pull, and I see Roots, Sweet Exorcist, Back the World, No Place like America, Got to Find a Way, all with regularity. But the 1st seriously NEVER turns up for me. I had to get my copy out of town
This is really not directed at anyone in particular, but seriously: This shit is really not news. At all. Common is the new rare, and it has been the new rare for a long minute now. Every record luminary I can think of that has any cachet in our little world--Soulman, Dante, anthonypearson, Producer A to Producer Z, ad infinitum--has been saying for as long as I can remember: "Do not sleep on good, common records--good, common records are the best." Because of this, I no longer give extra points to folks who ride for good, common records. No extra points for dudes who have a Moment Of Clarity and start riding for good, common records, and no extra points for dudes who truculently insist that, yo, they've stayed riding for good, common records. I no longer believe that the "guilt" of people who "confess" to liking good, common records is anything other than thinly veiled self-satisfaction, and the accompanying air of congratulation makes me queasy. I mean, upper-middle-aged black ladies and record dudes both like, for example, some Curtis; the difference is that the record dude wants a f*cking gold star for it, wants to wear it as some badge of advanced taste. Replace ???black??? with ???white??? and ???Curtis??? with ???Crosby, Stills, and Nash??? and it???s the same shit. The implication that it???s in any way brave to ride for these records is f*cking ludicrous, and betrays more of an investment in the Internet Cult Of Rarity than the rider would probably care to admit.
I???m not really going anywhere productive with this, and I???m as guilty of this shit as the next man, but I???m still kinda bone-tired of it. At least for today.
This is really not directed at anyone in particular, but seriously: This shit is really not news. At all. Common is the new rare, and it has been the new rare for a long minute now. Every record luminary I can think of that has any cachet in our little world--Soulman, Dante, anthonypearson, Producer A to Producer Z, ad infinitum--has been saying for as long as I can remember: "Do not sleep on good, common records--good, common records are the best." Because of this, I no longer give extra points to folks who ride for good, common records. No extra points for dudes who have a Moment Of Clarity and start riding for good, common records, and no extra points for dudes who truculently insist that, yo, they've stayed riding for good, common records. I no longer believe that the "guilt" of people who "confess" to liking good, common records is anything other than thinly veiled self-satisfaction, and the accompanying air of congratulation makes me queasy. I mean, upper-middle-aged black ladies and record dudes both like, for example, some Curtis; the difference is that the record dude wants a f*cking gold star for it, wants to wear it as some badge of advanced taste. Replace ???black??? with ???white??? and ???Curtis??? with ???Crosby, Stills, and Nash??? and it???s the same shit. The implication that it???s in any way brave to ride for these records is f*cking ludicrous, and betrays more of an investment in the Internet Cult Of Rarity than the rider would probably care to admit.
I???m not really going anywhere productive with this, and I???m as guilty of this shit as the next man, but I???m still kinda bone-tired of it. At least for today.
Pardon my venting.
James, I oughta buy you a drink at Jimmy's Woodlawn Tap for venting. That was everything I'm tryin' to say...and then some more. When we hittin' up that Indian food place again??
this is actually the most common Curtis album. (save for Superfly) it sold very well in comparison to the other solo LP's he put out.
Must be a regional thing. I live in Chicago, where Curtis and Curtom Records were based, and I never see the first three Curtis albums that often. And when Roots turns up, the perforated back cover is usually missing.
Don't get me wrong, I see Curtis, Curtis/Live! and Roots from time to time, but not with the same frequency as the others.
VG+ will sell for $25 any day of the week. Calisoulbrother sold one for $96. I don't care how baller you are at selling, but nobody can sell a "common" record for $96.
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In Detroit when it comes to this record, it's Dilla. Not sure about other places. Escorts, Sylvers, Motherlode - when you get 5 dudes asking you for 10CC in two days, it's Dilla.
MCF
Wasn't that song comped somewhere though, before it got looped? I might be mis-remembering this. I got turned onto it before "Donuts." I think before Just Blaze/Usher too but it could have been that the person who put me up on it had learned about it via JB/U.
I guess I doubt how much ANY album gets sudden boostage due to sampling these days but I'd love to be proven wrong since I'm always interested in what changes the desirability of certain LPs.
EXACTLY! it is common and i've seen my share of them over the past 10 years until dilla decided to use it.. if people wanna sweat the record for good music whatever, but $18 that hrinkkkunt got is strictly due to ebay bidding. It's a $1 record just like valley of the dolls and everything else she did sampled or not.
I heard a friend of a friend of hrinkkkunt was buying them all up and snapping them in half for the trash bin. Thus making the elusiveness and price more outraegous for everyone bidding on his auction.
Which Sylvers though? Haven't their first three albums always been in decent demand, especially "II"?
I don't know if its been comped but it has been dapped up here numerous times over the years. Thats the only reason I knew to keep an eye out for it, and in all these years I've seen it once, maybe twice.
If its really that common in Detroit and The_Non (record devourer) has never seen it its gotta be a regional thing.
Never seen that either. It must be the source of Kanye's look in the "Touch the Sky" video surely? [no, not the Evel Knievel look..]
Love this record. My dude put me down with this way back in the day. He was a drum & bass DJ and told me "Cos you gotta hear this shit." Great song - and in my pile of records to encode. Thanks Hook-up.
As for the argument, like I'll listen to this before a lot of other "cool" shit:
Well, something caused an abrupt increase in demand for what had previously been a widely available Dionne Warwick record--that much is not in dispute, right?
So if you don't attribute it to the record being sampled, what do you put it down to? A comp. which may or may not even exist and whose name you can't remember?
I think the right sample does still increase demand for a record--it won't turn a dollar bin record into a wallpiece, but when somebody lifts a big and recognizable chunk of it and the sampling record then receives wide exposure, people get interested. See: Rasputin Stash about a year ago.
Sure they've always been in demand but I never got multiple phone calls asking us if we have "any Sylvers on wax" until Dilla hit it. It's more about when a half dozen people start asking you in the same week for these random records (rare or common) you start to wonder why, and the trail almost always leads back to Dilla.
MCF
But how many times do you think you came across it prior to that and ignored it as just being another late period Dionne Warwick dollar binner? Until somebody told me that it some cool HDH production on it, I never would have thought to check for it.
Actually, I saw the Dionne album on the wall at a store here not too long ago.
not at all!
file under: post a pic of you in love with a record
In Color is one of my nearest and dearest.
I'm not denying this but I think the question here is one of timeline. You're probably right - for some reason, I just thought this Warwick album was kind of "known" prior but I can't get my timing straight anymore.
But as to who was more influential:
Usher's "Throwback" was 2004
Donuts was early 2006.
When did this Warwick album go scarce?
Okay, see, I didn't know even know what the Dilla sample was or when it came out--that having now been clarified, I don't think there's any question that Ursh was a much bigger factor, since demand went up for the record well before last year.
you're a fuckin waste.
Getting ready for my set at a bar I occasionally play at I decided to have one last random pull from the Expedit for something to playout.
So yeah out comes the BT Express joint, I decide to give it a quick spin for the first time in years and shit was still good! Its going to stay in the record bag for a while now, loads of good tracks for playing out.
In fact, weren't you hyping it up via blog entries prior to that point?
Gotta admit that Soul Sides is what initially put me onto it. The sample already sounded really familiar to me by that time though...not sure exactly how.
But I'll have y'all know that after continually passing on a $12 copy available at Friends of Sound, I eventually picked one up at Goodwill for a dollar.
Please tell me you've heard this album.
this is actually the most common Curtis album. (save for Superfly) it sold very well in comparison to the other solo LP's he put out.
This dollar bin LP has been making my ears happy the last 2 days
Hey, it's a fact...Dionne was not in her commercial prime when that LP came out. Nobody ever talks about her Warner Bros. years (when she added a silent "e" to her last name) as being prime Dionne Warwick. That doesn't mean the record is bad, but it is interesting that everybody is seemingly glomming onto THIS Dionne album at THIS time.
And no, I haven't heard the LP, but I'd be open to the possibility!
What you tryin' to do, catch me in a lie? Ain't workin'!
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Must be a regional thing. I live in Chicago, where Curtis and Curtom Records were based, and I never see the first three Curtis albums that often. And when Roots turns up, the perforated back cover is usually missing.
Don't get me wrong, I see Curtis, Curtis/Live! and Roots from time to time, but not with the same frequency as the others.
hmmm... i'd like to see some stats on this... this is definitely the LAST of the prime-era Curtis solo LPs that turns up around here. The double live one is an easy pull, and I see Roots, Sweet Exorcist, Back the World, No Place like America, Got to Find a Way, all with regularity. But the 1st seriously NEVER turns up for me. I had to get my copy out of town
I???m not really going anywhere productive with this, and I???m as guilty of this shit as the next man, but I???m still kinda bone-tired of it. At least for today.
Pardon my venting.
James, I oughta buy you a drink at Jimmy's Woodlawn Tap for venting. That was everything I'm tryin' to say...and then some more. When we hittin' up that Indian food place again??
VG+ will sell for $25 any day of the week. Calisoulbrother sold one for $96. I don't care how baller you are at selling, but nobody can sell a "common" record for $96.