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  • skelskel You can't cheat karma 5,033 Posts
    Lol

    You really need to wind your neck in, son

  • bassiebassie 11,710 Posts
    Bon Vivant said:
    bassie said:
    When used on humans as a weapon, it falls under the definition. Look at pictures of the effects it has on people and see if you don't feel like vomiting your apples and oranges.

    "If on the other hand the toxic properties of white phosphorus, the caustic properties, are specifically intended to be used as a weapon, that of course is prohibited, because the way the Convention is structured or the way it is in fact applied, any chemicals used against humans or animals that cause harm or death through the toxic properties of the chemical are considered chemical weapons."

    There's that "if" word again....

    "If" doesn't apply here.

  • Bon VivantBon Vivant The Eye of the Storm 2,018 Posts
    bassie said:
    Bon Vivant said:
    bassie said:
    When used on humans as a weapon, it falls under the definition. Look at pictures of the effects it has on people and see if you don't feel like vomiting your apples and oranges.

    "If on the other hand the toxic properties of white phosphorus, the caustic properties, are specifically intended to be used as a weapon, that of course is prohibited, because the way the Convention is structured or the way it is in fact applied, any chemicals used against humans or animals that cause harm or death through the toxic properties of the chemical are considered chemical weapons."

    There's that "if" word again....

    "If" doesn't apply here.

    Not in Syria, that's right.

  • Bon VivantBon Vivant The Eye of the Storm 2,018 Posts
    skel said:
    Lol

    You really need to wind your neck in, son

    Says the guy from the country that can't solve it's crime issues without the US.

    You should follow your own advice.

  • bassiebassie 11,710 Posts
    Huh? What just happened?
    Reading your posts - I can't tell if you're drunk or if I am.

    I'm out til I forget what a clusterfuck this thread is and end up posting in it again!
    Have a good night!

  • Bon VivantBon Vivant The Eye of the Storm 2,018 Posts
    bassie said:
    Huh? What just happened?
    Reading your posts - I can't tell if you're drunk or if I am.

    I'm out til I forget what a clusterfuck this thread is and end up posting in it again!
    Have a good night!

    You too.

    Hopefully, this thread ends with Assad surrending his chemical weapons with no more blood shed.

  • Bon Vivant said:
    Horseleech said:
    Bon Vivant said:
    amorality

    Suggesting Obama may have made a mistake = Amoral.

    No, not caring that people are gassed = amoral.

    The "why should we care" atttitude you have = amoral.

    What's wrong with America?

    CNN poll: 80% of Americans believe Assad gassed his own people. 70% of Americans don???t think that means US should hit Syria.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/09/politics/syria-poll-main/index.html?sr=sharebar_twitter

    :(


  • Da Vinylmentalist said:
    Bon Vivant said:
    Horseleech said:
    Bon Vivant said:
    amorality

    Suggesting Obama may have made a mistake = Amoral.

    No, not caring that people are gassed = amoral.

    The "why should we care" atttitude you have = amoral.

    What's wrong with America?

    CNN poll: 80% of Americans believe Assad gassed his own people. 70% of Americans don???t think that means US should hit Syria.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/09/politics/syria-poll-main/index.html?sr=sharebar_twitter

    :(

    #NEWRULES

  • Bon Vivant said:
    Horseleech said:
    Bon Vivant said:
    amorality

    Suggesting Obama may have made a mistake = Amoral.

    No, not caring that people are gassed = amoral.

    The "why should we care" atttitude you have = amoral.

    Oh I see, Caring = Bombing.

    Thanks for the moral guidance!

  • Jonny_Paycheck said:
    Da Vinylmentalist said:
    Bon Vivant said:
    Horseleech said:
    Bon Vivant said:
    amorality

    Suggesting Obama may have made a mistake = Amoral.

    No, not caring that people are gassed = amoral.

    The "why should we care" atttitude you have = amoral.

    What's wrong with America?

    CNN poll: 80% of Americans believe Assad gassed his own people. 70% of Americans don???t think that means US should hit Syria.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/09/politics/syria-poll-main/index.html?sr=sharebar_twitter

    :(

    #NEWRULES

    I can understand Americans not wanting to put boots on the ground. But to even oppose a limited strike with cruise missiles?

  • Da Vinylmentalist said:
    Bon Vivant said:
    Horseleech said:
    Bon Vivant said:
    amorality

    Suggesting Obama may have made a mistake = Amoral.

    No, not caring that people are gassed = amoral.

    The "why should we care" atttitude you have = amoral.

    What's wrong with America?

    CNN poll: 80% of Americans believe Assad gassed his own people. 70% of Americans don???t think that means US should hit Syria.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/09/politics/syria-poll-main/index.html?sr=sharebar_twitter

    :(


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    my bad. not worth it.

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    HarveyCanal said:
    The way you post on this forum = amoral.

    Lawyers never lose sleep...they can defend people they know are guilty with a straight face.

  • Bon VivantBon Vivant The Eye of the Storm 2,018 Posts
    Horseleech said:
    Bon Vivant said:
    Horseleech said:
    Bon Vivant said:
    amorality

    Suggesting Obama may have made a mistake = Amoral.

    No, not caring that people are gassed = amoral.

    The "why should we care" atttitude you have = amoral.

    Oh I see, Caring = Bombing.

    Thanks for the moral guidance!

    No, you don't see, and you have a real issue with basic reading comprehension.

    Keep sticking your head in the sand, Mr. "Not my problem".

  • Bon VivantBon Vivant The Eye of the Storm 2,018 Posts
    Rockadelic said:
    HarveyCanal said:
    The way you post on this forum = amoral.

    Lawyers never lose sleep...they can defend people they know are guilty with a straight face.

    Yeah, that damned Constitution really fucks thinks up for people.

    I know that people like you prefer to wipe your ass with it.

  • Bon VivantBon Vivant The Eye of the Storm 2,018 Posts
    DeadgarHoover said:
    Rockadelic said:
    HarveyCanal said:
    The way you post on this forum = amoral.

    Lawyers never lose sleep...they can defend people they know are guilty with a straight face.

    It's called a job. There's an oath involved.

    If only you had the same contempt for cops who swear to "serve and protect" but don't.

    People like Rock don't have the moral conviction to uphold oaths they take, or even take them.

    They prefer to criticize from the sidelines. He's good at that.

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    Bon Vivant said:
    DeadgarHoover said:
    Rockadelic said:
    HarveyCanal said:
    The way you post on this forum = amoral.

    Lawyers never lose sleep...they can defend people they know are guilty with a straight face.

    It's called a job. There's an oath involved.

    If only you had the same contempt for cops who swear to "serve and protect" but don't.

    People like Rock don't have the moral conviction to uphold oaths they take, or even take them.

    They prefer to criticize from the sidelines. He's good at that.

    Looks like just about everyone here is criticizing you.....you make that easy to be good at.

    Never admitting that the current administration has/can make a mistake has nothing to do with the Constitution.

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    DeadgarHoover said:
    Rockadelic said:
    HarveyCanal said:
    The way you post on this forum = amoral.

    Lawyers never lose sleep...they can defend people they know are guilty with a straight face.

    It's called a job. There's an oath involved.

    If only you had the same contempt for cops who swear to "serve and protect" but don't.

    No contempt, just an understanding.

  • Bon Vivant said:
    Horseleech said:
    Bon Vivant said:
    Horseleech said:
    Bon Vivant said:
    amorality

    Suggesting Obama may have made a mistake = Amoral.

    No, not caring that people are gassed = amoral.

    The "why should we care" atttitude you have = amoral.

    Oh I see, Caring = Bombing.

    Thanks for the moral guidance!

    Keep sticking your head in the sand, Mr. "Not my problem".

    Keep bombing your way out of the world's problems, Mr. "Compassionate" - it works everytime!

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    DeadgarHoover said:
    Rockadelic said:
    DeadgarHoover said:
    Rockadelic said:
    HarveyCanal said:
    The way you post on this forum = amoral.

    Lawyers never lose sleep...they can defend people they know are guilty with a straight face.

    It's called a job. There's an oath involved.

    If only you had the same contempt for cops who swear to "serve and protect" but don't.

    No contempt, just an understanding.

    No contempt? Bullshit. If you knew any defense attorneys you'd know how wrong you are about that "never lose sleep" crap.

    But you favor executing juveniles so I suspect that's not a problem for you.

    And you never lose sleep over the fact that your state has one of the most horrific "justice systems" in the Western world. You once wrote with a "straight face" that Texas was the best place in the country to raise a child.

    Oh, wait, maybe that was a "white face." My bad.

    Designer Pot Calls Kettle White....funny shit.

  • motown67motown67 4,513 Posts
    PatrickCrazy said:
    not interested in regime change, right?



    Rice: "Our overarching goal is to end the underlying conflict through a negotiated, political transition in which Assad leaves power" #Syria

    what about this?

    ???U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE JOHN KERRY TOLD LAVROV HIS COMMENTS ABOUT SYRIA AVERTING U.S. STRIKE BY TURNING OVER CHEMICAL WEAPONS WERE RHETORICAL, U.S. OFFICIAL SAYS
    ???KERRY TOLD RUSSIA'S LAVROV IN TELEPHONE CALL THAT HIS COMMENTS WERE NOT MEANT TO BE A PROPOSAL, U.S. OFFICIAL SAYS
    ???KERRY TOLD LAVROV OF HIS SERIOUS SKEPTICISM WHEN LAVROV OFFERED TO EXPLORE THE IDEA, U.S. OFFICIAL SAYS
    ???KERRY TOLD LAVROV THE UNITED STATES IS NOT GOING TO "PLAY GAMES" BUT IF THERE WAS A SERIOUS PROPOSAL U.S. WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT IT
    ???KERRY TOLD LAVROV THE IDEA WILL NOT BE A REASON TO DELAY OBAMA ADMINISTRATION EFFORTS TO SECURE CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORIZATION TO USE FORCE AGAINST SYRIA

    After a civil war started why would the U.S. not say that it wants Assad gone? Would you be happier if the U.S. said we want the civil war to end and we want the Assad dictatorship to continue?

    I'm not sure how the Kerry thing is related to regime change, but he said that if Syria gave up all its WMD in a week and then brought in verification that would end a possible strike, but then he said Syria wasn't going to do that so the comment was rhetorical. What's the problem with that chain of statements? Russia is only taking up the issue because it thinks it can waste more time and delay any strike. Russia afterr all is Syria's main ally and arms supplier. It has vested interests to support Syria any way it can in this fight.

  • BrianBrian 7,618 Posts
    motown67 said:
    After a civil war started why would the U.S. not say that it wants Assad gone? Would you be happier if the U.S. said we want the civil war to end and we want the Assad dictatorship to continue?
    I don't disagree with you on that from a strategic standpoint but I mean this was what was being said just a little while ago

    https://www.google.com/search?q=syria+regime+change&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&ie;=&oe;=#q=syria+"not+about+regime+change"&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address

    I'm not sure how the Kerry thing is related to regime change

    Not related to regime change; just happened to be another quote I saw at the same time.

    but he said that if Syria gave up all its WMD in a week and then brought in verification that would end a possible strike, but then he said Syria wasn't going to do that so the comment was rhetorical. What's the problem with that chain of statements?
    It has nothing to do with the chain of statements and the fact that they were made POST "we're going to bomb people for freedom" declarations. It makes it very easy to paint the US as warmongers if something like this is presented as an option by our own side but dismissed in favor of bombz.

    Russia is only taking up the issue because it thinks it can waste more time and delay any strike. Russia afterr all is Syria's main ally and arms supplier. It has vested interests to support Syria any way it can in this fight.

    I don't think anyone is going to disagree with you on that. It's just been amateur hour on our side and further erodes our credibility in the matter (if the actual intent from the beginning was to have some credibility that is.)

  • BrianBrian 7,618 Posts
    DeadgarHoover said:
    Rockadelic said:
    DeadgarHoover said:
    Rockadelic said:
    HarveyCanal said:
    The way you post on this forum = amoral.

    Lawyers never lose sleep...they can defend people they know are guilty with a straight face.

    It's called a job. There's an oath involved.

    If only you had the same contempt for cops who swear to "serve and protect" but don't.

    No contempt, just an understanding.

    No contempt? Bullshit. If you knew any defense attorneys you'd know how wrong you are about that "never lose sleep" crap.

    But you favor executing juveniles so I suspect that's not a problem for you.

    And you never lose sleep over the fact that your state has one of the most horrific "justice systems" in the Western world. You once wrote with a "straight face" that Texas was the best place in the country to raise a child.

    Oh, wait, maybe that was a "white face." My bad.

    Designer Pot Calls Kettle White....funny shit.

    I should be the Kettle. You should be the Pot.

    Your pose just went belly up, either way.
    hey lmj when you are done attacking rock for who knows what now, can you tell us your stance on bombing people for freedom

  • Bon Vivant said:
    Horseleech said:
    Bon Vivant said:
    Horseleech said:
    Bon Vivant said:
    amorality

    Suggesting Obama may have made a mistake = Amoral.

    No, not caring that people are gassed = amoral.

    The "why should we care" atttitude you have = amoral.

    Oh I see, Caring = Bombing.

    Thanks for the moral guidance!

    Keep sticking your head in the sand, Mr. "Not my problem".

    Keep bombing your way out of the world's problems, Mr. "Compassionate" - it works everytime!

    I partly agree with you. It didn't work for US in all these wars after 1945. But it did work during World War II, and we in Europe still thank you for that.

    In many ways the situation now is comparable to that period. The Iranian leader Khamenei and his vassal Assad are the Middle Eastern equivalent of Hitler and Mussolini. The FSA and the jihadists could be somewhat compared to the Soviet Union. For example, even the jihadists hate Iran and Assad a thousands times more than the Israelis.

    This not just about saving lives, but also about saving America's reputation in the Middle East.

  • motown67 said:
    PatrickCrazy said:
    not interested in regime change, right?



    Rice: "Our overarching goal is to end the underlying conflict through a negotiated, political transition in which Assad leaves power" #Syria

    what about this?

    ???U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE JOHN KERRY TOLD LAVROV HIS COMMENTS ABOUT SYRIA AVERTING U.S. STRIKE BY TURNING OVER CHEMICAL WEAPONS WERE RHETORICAL, U.S. OFFICIAL SAYS
    ???KERRY TOLD RUSSIA'S LAVROV IN TELEPHONE CALL THAT HIS COMMENTS WERE NOT MEANT TO BE A PROPOSAL, U.S. OFFICIAL SAYS
    ???KERRY TOLD LAVROV OF HIS SERIOUS SKEPTICISM WHEN LAVROV OFFERED TO EXPLORE THE IDEA, U.S. OFFICIAL SAYS
    ???KERRY TOLD LAVROV THE UNITED STATES IS NOT GOING TO "PLAY GAMES" BUT IF THERE WAS A SERIOUS PROPOSAL U.S. WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT IT
    ???KERRY TOLD LAVROV THE IDEA WILL NOT BE A REASON TO DELAY OBAMA ADMINISTRATION EFFORTS TO SECURE CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORIZATION TO USE FORCE AGAINST SYRIA

    After a civil war started why would the U.S. not say that it wants Assad gone? Would you be happier if the U.S. said we want the civil war to end and we want the Assad dictatorship to continue?

    I'm not sure how the Kerry thing is related to regime change, but he said that if Syria gave up all its WMD in a week and then brought in verification that would end a possible strike, but then he said Syria wasn't going to do that so the comment was rhetorical. What's the problem with that chain of statements? Russia is only taking up the issue because it thinks it can waste more time and delay any strike. Russia afterr all is Syria's main ally and arms supplier. It has vested interests to support Syria any way it can in this fight.

    Kerry made a mistake in offering Assad an easy way out. Why should handing over chemical weapons leave the Syria regime unpunished? That's like saying to Hitler during WWII: "hand over all the Zyklon B you used to kill all those Jews with, and we promise we won't attack you".

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    Bon Vivant said:
    Horseleech said:
    Bon Vivant said:
    Horseleech said:
    Bon Vivant said:
    amorality

    Suggesting Obama may have made a mistake = Amoral.

    No, not caring that people are gassed = amoral.

    The "why should we care" atttitude you have = amoral.

    Oh I see, Caring = Bombing.

    Thanks for the moral guidance!

    Keep sticking your head in the sand, Mr. "Not my problem".

    Keep bombing your way out of the world's problems, Mr. "Compassionate" - it works everytime!

    I partly agree with you. It didn't work for US in all these wars after 1945. But it did work during World War II, and we in Europe still thank you for that.

    In many ways the situation now is comparable to that period. The Iranian leader Khamenei and his vassal Assad are the Middle Eastern equivalent of Hitler and Mussolini. The FSA and the jihadists could be somewhat compared to the Soviet Union. For example, even the jihadists hate Iran and Assad a thousands times more than the Israelis.

    This not just about saving lives, but also about saving America's reputation in the Middle East.

    Why doesn't the EU handle this one?

    We don't want/need your thanks after we do it.

    You have more soldiers than the U.S. and are better than us in every way.

    Go whine to YOUR government to take action.

  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
    Bon Vivant said:
    Horseleech said:
    Da Vinylmentalist said:
    If you don't act now America...

    Remind us again why this is America's responsibility?

    Like it or not, the world looks to the US to solve these big problems. Whether they should, is a different question. The fact is they do.

    That said, if Syria agrees to the Russian proposal, and there is verfication and no foot dragging, I would support it.

    A few things about the poster.
    He is willing to take any position.
    In this post he has said that it is ok for the US to use chemical weapons against her own people as long as it is for crowd control.
    In other posts he has said:
    there is no right to privacy. (re: NSA)
    there is no freedom of religion (his reasoning was religion is a choice) (re:Romney)
    And on and on.

    Here he is saying that the way to handle a bad situation is with limited bombing.
    His reasoning is that chemical weapons are immoral, thus bombing is the only answer.
    But is Assad the worse dictator in the world? (Top 5 for sure.)
    Is the use of chemical weapons the greatest humanitarian problem in the world?

    Another thing about the poster.
    Early in his time here he claimed to be a lawyer and living in Spokane WA.
    I doubt he lives Spokane. He has zero knowledge of Spokane, or of political issues in Eastern Washington, Washington state, Idaho or the Pacific NW.
    I also doubt that he is a lawyer, since his legal opinions consistently are wrong.

    Once a position is taken he will not back down no matter how ludicrous he looks defending a stupid position.

    He idolizes ML&J and thinks insulting people makes him look smart.

  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
    HarveyCanal said:
    The way you post on this forum = amoral.

  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
    Bon Vivant said:
    Horseleech said:
    Bon Vivant said:
    Horseleech said:
    Bon Vivant said:
    amorality

    Suggesting Obama may have made a mistake = Amoral.

    No, not caring that people are gassed = amoral.

    The "why should we care" atttitude you have = amoral.

    Oh I see, Caring = Bombing.

    Thanks for the moral guidance!

    Keep sticking your head in the sand, Mr. "Not my problem".

    Keep bombing your way out of the world's problems, Mr. "Compassionate" - it works everytime!

    I partly agree with you. It didn't work for US in all these wars after 1945. But it did work during World War II, and we in Europe still thank you for that.

    In many ways the situation now is comparable to that period. The Iranian leader Khamenei and his vassal Assad are the Middle Eastern equivalent of Hitler and Mussolini. The FSA and the jihadists could be somewhat compared to the Soviet Union. For example, even the jihadists hate Iran and Assad a thousands times more than the Israelis.

    This not just about saving lives, but also about saving America's reputation in the Middle East.

    This guy makes interesting posts because his understanding of the world is so far removed from mine.

    The Soviet Union saved Europe from Hitler.
    Is he saying that the jihadists will save the middle east.
    Could be, who knows?
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