Attendance at stadiums for many clubs, though, is starting to tank big time. Official stats are completely bogus and exaggerate the numbers wildly. I think a lot of teams badly miscalculated by trying to build giant facilities geared towards a high end premium experience. It will be interesting to see if the next wave of stadiums are noticeably smaller.
Attendance at stadiums for many clubs, though, is starting to tank big time. Official stats are completely bogus and exaggerate the numbers wildly. I think a lot of teams badly miscalculated by trying to build giant facilities geared towards a high end premium experience. It will be interesting to see if the next wave of stadiums are noticeably smaller.
There was a factoid, I want to say in the Wall Street Journal earlier this week, about a Houston Astros game scoring a 0.0 in the Nielsen Ratings. That's an outlier and, obviously, the Astros but interesting.
I'm going to concede the point.
Baseball is not slowly dying.
Tanked stadium attendance and 0.0 tv ratings are a sign of health.
1970 MLB Total Attendance = 28 million
1980 MLB Total Attendance = 43 million
1990 MLB Total Attendance = 54 million
2000 MLB Total Attendance = 72 million
2010 MLB Total Attendance = 74 million
2013 MLB Total Attendance = 74 million
Please explain how these numbers = "tanked attendance".
I'm using real attendance and revenue #'s and you're off on some anecdotal exception to the rule bullshit.
Attendance at stadiums for many clubs, though, is starting to tank big time. Official stats are completely bogus and exaggerate the numbers wildly. I think a lot of teams badly miscalculated by trying to build giant facilities geared towards a high end premium experience. It will be interesting to see if the next wave of stadiums are noticeably smaller.
Agreed
This is the exact thing Colin Cowherd was talking about on AM radio this week. and I completely agree.
Building massive stadiums where half the seats are empty does not make the average fan want to rush to purchase tickets. Smaller historical venues like Wrigley does. That's not on baseball. That's on the individual ballclubs and how they run their business....
Yeah but in the event of late-season success all the seats are packed and in the meantime the TV contract pays the bills, 'cept maybe for the Astros. Let's dead this thread until one of the owners sells their team at a discount.
I'm going to concede the point.
Baseball is not slowly dying.
Tanked stadium attendance and 0.0 tv ratings are a sign of health.
1970 MLB Total Attendance = 28 million
1980 MLB Total Attendance = 43 million
1990 MLB Total Attendance = 54 million
2000 MLB Total Attendance = 72 million
2010 MLB Total Attendance = 74 million
2013 MLB Total Attendance = 74 million
Please explain how these numbers = "tanked attendance".
I'm using real attendance and revenue #'s and you're off on some anecdotal exception to the rule bullshit.
You're wrong....but keep fighting the good fight.
Chill out a little.
I already conceded the point.
"Tank" came for HL not me. You agreed with him. I was also agreeing with him.
I've used nothing but real #s in this thread up to conceding the point.
Laser Wolf is trollin'! But I'd take that any day of the week over a zombie night, even one in an atmosphere as fitting as a Padres-Mets game. I don't watch much baseball all year long but come autumn, watching the playoffs is as comforting as sliding on my old oiled leather (pause).
Baseball ratings on Thursday vs Thursday Night Football, which have been mostly blowouts is not even close. Thursday Night Football is crushing baseball. The youf dgaf about no baseball nah.
saying baseball isn't competing with football is like saying reddit was more posts than soulstrut.
b/w
"The Kansas City RoyalsÔÇÖ comeback 9-8 win in 12 innings over the Oakland Athletics on Tuesday averaged more than 5.2 million viewers on TBS. The network said Wednesday thatÔÇÖs up 14 per cent from the nearly 4.6 million for last yearÔÇÖs NL game between Cincinnati and Pittsburgh to open the post-season, a 6-2 Pirates win.
On Tuesday, the Royals trailed 7-3 after seven innings, but they scored three times in the eighth, tied the game in the bottom of the ninth, then rallied again from down a run in the 12th.
Viewership peaked at 6.5 million from 11:30-11:45 p.m. EDT during the ninth inning."
In its return to playoff baseball, ESPN attracted the largest audience yet for an MLB Wild Card Game.
WednesdayÔÇÖs Giants/Pirates National League Wild Card game drew a 3.6 final rating and 5.6 million viewers on ESPN, up 16% in ratings and 18% in viewership from Rays/Indians on TBS last year (3.1, 4.7M) and the highest rated, most-watched Wild Card game ever (six telecasts dating back to 2012). The previous highs were a 3.4 and 5.3 million for Orioles/Rangers in 2012.
You could make the arguement that the extra wild card spots has helped keep two (or more) extra markets interested in the game/season. I like the thought of having an extra wild card spot and chance to make the playoffs, however I'm not sure I like the 1 game playoff format.
meanwhile, middle of the first period at a florida panthers hockey game:
a family of four to go see a hockey game in toronto is $1000+, IF you can even GET four tickets together.....
so i guess there's also a balance of markets at play in professional sports. ie. the league chasing cities that have no business having a team, tampa for baseball, florida for hockey, atlanta for every sport.....
.so i guess there's also a balance of markets at play in professional sports. ie. the league chasing cities that have no business having a team, tampa for baseball, florida for hockey, atlanta for every sport.....
Ha...
I would think The Braves have held onto their popularity right?
.so i guess there's also a balance of markets at play in professional sports. ie. the league chasing cities that have no business having a team, tampa for baseball, florida for hockey, atlanta for every sport.....
Ha...
I would think The Braves have held onto their popularity right?
Atlanta is 18th in attendance in MLB behind teams like Toronto and Milwaukee
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http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2013/2/28/4036934/jai-alai-sport-in-america-miami
Soccer is the next big thing in the US...
And always will be.
Attendance at stadiums for many clubs, though, is starting to tank big time. Official stats are completely bogus and exaggerate the numbers wildly. I think a lot of teams badly miscalculated by trying to build giant facilities geared towards a high end premium experience. It will be interesting to see if the next wave of stadiums are noticeably smaller.
Agreed
Baseball is not slowly dying.
Tanked stadium attendance and 0.0 tv ratings are a sign of health.
1970 MLB Total Attendance = 28 million
1980 MLB Total Attendance = 43 million
1990 MLB Total Attendance = 54 million
2000 MLB Total Attendance = 72 million
2010 MLB Total Attendance = 74 million
2013 MLB Total Attendance = 74 million
Please explain how these numbers = "tanked attendance".
I'm using real attendance and revenue #'s and you're off on some anecdotal exception to the rule bullshit.
You're wrong....but keep fighting the good fight.
but...but...but.....
And the revenue must be a lie too...wait until the IRS finds out.
And no, baseball is not dying off...
This is the exact thing Colin Cowherd was talking about on AM radio this week. and I completely agree.
Building massive stadiums where half the seats are empty does not make the average fan want to rush to purchase tickets. Smaller historical venues like Wrigley does. That's not on baseball. That's on the individual ballclubs and how they run their business....
Not exactly. Several teams were not selling out last year, some even in playoff games.
Even the Red Sox weren't selling out Fenway last year on their way to the World Series.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/08/28/red-sox-are-winning-but-attendance-lagging/Lag7ZBsFwaiiZZBv0dmkWJ/story.html
Chill out a little.
I already conceded the point.
"Tank" came for HL not me. You agreed with him. I was also agreeing with him.
I've used nothing but real #s in this thread up to conceding the point.
What's dying is the critical thinking skills of people who convince themselves of such bullshit.
But not so slowly.
KC v Baltimore.
The 2 best teams in MLB.
b/w
"The Kansas City RoyalsÔÇÖ comeback 9-8 win in 12 innings over the Oakland Athletics on Tuesday averaged more than 5.2 million viewers on TBS. The network said Wednesday thatÔÇÖs up 14 per cent from the nearly 4.6 million for last yearÔÇÖs NL game between Cincinnati and Pittsburgh to open the post-season, a 6-2 Pirates win.
On Tuesday, the Royals trailed 7-3 after seven innings, but they scored three times in the eighth, tied the game in the bottom of the ninth, then rallied again from down a run in the 12th.
Viewership peaked at 6.5 million from 11:30-11:45 p.m. EDT during the ninth inning."
In its return to playoff baseball, ESPN attracted the largest audience yet for an MLB Wild Card Game.
WednesdayÔÇÖs Giants/Pirates National League Wild Card game drew a 3.6 final rating and 5.6 million viewers on ESPN, up 16% in ratings and 18% in viewership from Rays/Indians on TBS last year (3.1, 4.7M) and the highest rated, most-watched Wild Card game ever (six telecasts dating back to 2012). The previous highs were a 3.4 and 5.3 million for Orioles/Rangers in 2012.
what has made this the most successful playoffs in recent memory? no shoe deal wielding studs, just ball players who get it done.
I'm now on the Royals and their 19th highest bankroll's bandwagon.
Baseball still has fans, it just doesn't have the slam dunks or football fanatics plastered all over tv.
The post season has been great so far though.
a family of four to go see a hockey game in toronto is $1000+, IF you can even GET four tickets together.....
so i guess there's also a balance of markets at play in professional sports. ie. the league chasing cities that have no business having a team, tampa for baseball, florida for hockey, atlanta for every sport.....
Ha...
I would think The Braves have held onto their popularity right?
Japanese league baseball draws more fans per game than both the NBA and NHL
Atlanta is 18th in attendance in MLB behind teams like Toronto and Milwaukee