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  • Martin has never had a game that resembled Harden's last night.

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    blakatom said:
    Martin has never had a game that resembled Harden's last night.

    I dont understand why cats are making this out to be a VS scenario.

    Harden ever average 26 points per game?

    Season Highs/Career Highs

    Points 50 @ Golden State 04/01/09
    Field Goals Made 14 2 Times
    Field Goals Attempted 29 @ New Orleans 10/30/09
    Three Point Field Goals Made 7 2 Times
    Three Point Field Goals Attempted 12 3 Times
    Free Throws Made 23 @ Golden State 04/01/09
    Free Throws Attempted 26 @ Golden State 04/01/09
    Offensive Rebounds 4 3 Times
    Defensive Rebounds 9 6 Times
    Total Rebounds 12 vs. San Antonio 03/08/07
    Assists 8 3 Times
    Steals 5 vs. Seattle 11/06/07
    Blocks 3 vs. Charlotte 02/25/09
    Minutes Played 56 @ Golden State 01/14/09

    Harden is better but Martin far from a bum.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/50755/dissecting-kevin-martins-efficiency

  • motown67motown67 4,513 Posts
    Martin is more one dimensional jump shooter. Harden can shoot, drive, plus pass the ball. Think most would agree Harden is a far better player. Martin being a 6th man, instant offense for OKC still works for them.

  • motown67motown67 4,513 Posts
    Warriors had an ugly win last night against Phoenix who they should've blown out. Lee and Curry still can't guard anyone. They did start Bogut and he played 18 minutes. Think if he played more, it wouldn't have been as close. Carl Landry saved the day for the Dubs.

  • motown67motown67 4,513 Posts
    Back to the CBA. If I can remember correctly teams that go over the salary cap initially pay the players salary plus $1.50 for every dollar they're over in luxury taxes as well. So if Harden was to get $5 mil/yr, and that put them over the cap, OKC would be paying his salary, plus $7.5 mil in luxury tax making him a $12.5 mil investment.

  • yo joel, how did bogut look when he was on the court?
    im a fan and definitely root for him to get healthy and make some noise. hes had some bad breaks!

  • motown67motown67 4,513 Posts
    T.,

    Bogut looked good. Got some shots and rebounds. Played 18 min, 8 pts, 6 rebounds. Afterward he said the coach and trainers don't want him playing over 20 min a game right now until they're completely sure about his health. He said he wanted to play the whole game. It's good to see a big man on the Warriors who can hold his position and not get pushed around. David Lee is great offensively but absolutely pathetic on defense.

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    motown67 said:
    Martin is more one dimensional jump shooter.

    Hes not Jason Kapono. You dont score that many points from jump shots. Hes not even a Ray Allen.
    He has a midrange and can slash.

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    If Harden is a 9/10 Martin is at least a 7.5/10 plus they got a rookie and dumped a salary.

  • batmon said:
    blakatom said:
    Martin has never had a game that resembled Harden's last night.

    I dont understand why cats are making this out to be a VS scenario.

    Harden ever average 26 points per game?

    Season Highs/Career Highs

    Points 50 @ Golden State 04/01/09
    Field Goals Made 14 2 Times
    Field Goals Attempted 29 @ New Orleans 10/30/09
    Three Point Field Goals Made 7 2 Times
    Three Point Field Goals Attempted 12 3 Times
    Free Throws Made 23 @ Golden State 04/01/09
    Free Throws Attempted 26 @ Golden State 04/01/09
    Offensive Rebounds 4 3 Times
    Defensive Rebounds 9 6 Times
    Total Rebounds 12 vs. San Antonio 03/08/07
    Assists 8 3 Times
    Steals 5 vs. Seattle 11/06/07
    Blocks 3 vs. Charlotte 02/25/09
    Minutes Played 56 @ Golden State 01/14/09

    Harden is better but Martin far from a bum.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/50755/dissecting-kevin-martins-efficiency

    those stats are from 3-5 years ago. dude has dropped off fierce in the last two years. those backpack wearing dudes in ok are probably still crying and will still be crying for a long time

  • yuichiyuichi Urban sprawl 11,332 Posts
    Rockadelic said:
    If Harden is a 9/10 Martin is at least a 7.5/10 plus they got a rookie and dumped a salary.

    As much as the luxury tax was a problem, sad to see one of the core pieces go. They were a really really special team. Rare to see such a tight group of young superstars together. As much as Durant and Westbrook did their thing, Harden was tough as nails. Dude really was the heart of that team.

  • yuichiyuichi Urban sprawl 11,332 Posts
    I'm starting to see a pattern....





  • yuichiyuichi Urban sprawl 11,332 Posts
    Martin has one of the worst defensive reputations in the NBA, even if his numbers don???t always bear that out. Opposing shooting guards averaged a 12.6 PER against Martin last season and 47 percent effective field goal percentage, both figures below league average, according to 82games.com.

    Just get Jamal Crawford dawwg. He'll also put up buckets in iso. The dude might even throw a behind the back on the break to D'Andre Jordan once in a while.

  • houston vs. ok 1st round playoffs?
    where fuck you beotch happens.

  • motown67motown67 4,513 Posts
    Reggie Miller doesn't think Martin can create much offense on his own and needs to be set up by Westbrook, but doesn't think Westbrook is a real play maker.

  • yuichiyuichi Urban sprawl 11,332 Posts
    Tony Parker = HOF

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    blakatom said:
    batmon said:
    blakatom said:
    Martin has never had a game that resembled Harden's last night.

    I dont understand why cats are making this out to be a VS scenario.

    Harden ever average 26 points per game?

    Season Highs/Career Highs

    Points 50 @ Golden State 04/01/09
    Field Goals Made 14 2 Times
    Field Goals Attempted 29 @ New Orleans 10/30/09
    Three Point Field Goals Made 7 2 Times
    Three Point Field Goals Attempted 12 3 Times
    Free Throws Made 23 @ Golden State 04/01/09
    Free Throws Attempted 26 @ Golden State 04/01/09
    Offensive Rebounds 4 3 Times
    Defensive Rebounds 9 6 Times
    Total Rebounds 12 vs. San Antonio 03/08/07
    Assists 8 3 Times
    Steals 5 vs. Seattle 11/06/07
    Blocks 3 vs. Charlotte 02/25/09
    Minutes Played 56 @ Golden State 01/14/09

    Harden is better but Martin far from a bum.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/50755/dissecting-kevin-martins-efficiency

    those stats are from 3-5 years ago. dude has dropped off fierce in the last two years. those backpack wearing dudes in ok are probably still crying and will still be crying for a long time

    U said he never had a game like Harden's Rockets debut yet dude has hit 50. Has Harden hit 50?

    Why u mad at Martin for gettin swapped for Harden? They couldnt retain him. Its neither ones fault.

    Keep shit real. U never even watched Martin in Sac or Houston.

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    yuichi said:
    I'm starting to see a pattern....







    .........


    ...........

  • DJ_EnkiDJ_Enki 6,473 Posts
    yuichi said:
    Tony Parker = HOF

    I kinda think so, but I'm kind of biased in that regard. Still, dude's been playing top-notch basketball for years now.

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    DJ_Enki said:
    yuichi said:
    Tony Parker = HOF

    I kinda think so, but I'm kind of biased in that regard. Still, dude's been playing top-notch basketball for years now.

    No

    Current Players that are a lock for HOF

    Tim Duncan
    Jason Kidd
    Steve Nash
    DWade
    Lebron
    Dork
    Kevin Garnett
    Kobe

    On the fence

    Paul Pierce
    Ray Allen
    Vince Carter
    Carmelo
    Chris Paul


    Close but no cigar

    Manu
    Tony Parker
    Amare

  • Vince Carter?

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    Rockadelic said:

    On the fence - Paul Pierce

    I think Pierce gets in.
    10 Time All-Star.
    Finals MVP
    1 Ring

    Hall of Fame Probability
    Active 0.984 (7)
    Career 0.984 (41)
    _________________________

    Tony Parker
    4 Time All-Star
    Finals MVP
    3 Rings

    Hall of Fame Probability
    Active 0.713 (14)
    Career 0.713 (87)

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    Carmelo hasnt done shit yet.

  • DJ_EnkiDJ_Enki 6,473 Posts
    batmon said:

    I think Pierce gets in.

    Ray Allen, too.

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    DJ_Enki said:
    batmon said:

    I think Pierce gets in.

    Ray Allen, too.

    Yeah - Ray surpassed Reggie and has a ring.

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    batmon said:
    DJ_Enki said:
    batmon said:

    I think Pierce gets in.

    Ray Allen, too.

    Yeah - Ray surpassed Reggie and has a ring.

    Yeah....I'd put Allen and Pierce in.

    The NBA HOF is very generous......

    Joe Dumars is in which would tell you Parker should be in.....personally I'd put neither in.

    And if Parker goes then you have to look at Chauncey Billups.

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    Rockadelic said:
    batmon said:
    DJ_Enki said:
    batmon said:

    I think Pierce gets in.

    Ray Allen, too.

    Yeah - Ray surpassed Reggie and has a ring.

    Yeah....I'd put Allen and Pierce in.

    The NBA HOF is very generous......

    Joe Dumars is in which would tell you Parker should be in.....personally I'd put neither in.

    And if Parker goes then you have to look at Chauncey Billups.

    I would think the "best" player from any championship team would be highly qualified.

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    batmon said:
    Rockadelic said:
    batmon said:
    DJ_Enki said:
    batmon said:

    I think Pierce gets in.

    Ray Allen, too.

    Yeah - Ray surpassed Reggie and has a ring.

    Yeah....I'd put Allen and Pierce in.

    The NBA HOF is very generous......

    Joe Dumars is in which would tell you Parker should be in.....personally I'd put neither in.

    And if Parker goes then you have to look at Chauncey Billups.

    I would think the "best" player from any championship team would be highly qualified.

    Parker is arguably the third best player on his CHIP teams

  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    HARDEN.

  • mattBmattB (FTB) Anywhere 673 Posts
    mannybolone said:
    HARDEN.
    Amazing. 14 of 19 from the field and 15 of 17 from the free throw line.
    Jeremy Lin balled too.
    Should be a pretty exciting Rockets backcourt.
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