I don't expect everyone to march in lockstep on issues like this, but let me just say that if you're going to post reductionist, dimwitted piffle like "I don't like songs about dudes sexing other dudes", in 2012, anywhere, then tough luck for your sensitivities. Don't act all surprised that you get clowned. Consider yourself lucky that clowning and similar internet pile-ons are all you have to worry about. While you're doing that, have a think about all the songs you love - even the ones that appear to be about women - which might actually be about dudes sexing other dudes, assuming that even considering such a possibility doesn't terrify you.
Also, fuck hypocritical, can't-buy-a-hit weed carriers like Lil' Scrappy who spout reactionary bullshit in one breath whilst saying he'd get on a track with Frank Ocean "like it was yesterday" in the other. I guess "principles" aren't so deeply held when you haven't had a real hit in six years.
The song with John Mayer kinda has a Shuggie Otis vibe
I thought that about Sweet Life too.
Was getting this vibe from "Sierra Leone" this morning.
On fourth listen, really feeling this. Shades of Shuggie, Stevie, Maxwell, and some shit I can't really identify (ETA: Musiq Soulchild?). Songs about girls. Songs about boys. Songs about other shit. A couple times I felt the thing meandering into nothingness but it always snaps back before I can hit FF.
I couldn't sit thru the Fallon performance and don't like that song on the albulum.
That said, I think this albulum is fire. Thank God he uses the pronoun "she" instead of "he" on 90% of the songs - otherwise, the songs might sound totes diff.
Im open to hearing more. But i stand by my Jimmy Fallon debacle. Dude cant sing to me judging from that shit.
This is my biggest issue with him.
I love this track ft. Andre 3000 doe. The production is great, sentiment, emotion, lyrics all great, just his vocals seem kinda ordinary. tbh if Andre wasn't on it, I woulda probably gotten bored.
I like the 2 songs I heard. Like his delivery. Like his style.
I can understand someone not liking his singing. His voice is throaty, often thin, often whispery, sometimes overwrought.
Works for me.
On the other thing, listening to Bad Religion, what I heard was Taxi Driver... Bring Me To My Knees... Bad Religion...
Enough little snippets to know he was talking to the driver about unrequited love.
I never heard the part where the love was male.
I am surprised, that without listening, people would reject it for being gay.
On my first listen now, sounds good and expect it to get better on future listens (I wasn't as floored by Nostalgia Ultra as most people when I first heard it, it took me a few listens). I'm just really glad an artist like Frank Ocean is allowed to just do his thing and stick to his vision, gives me hope for the future. Sometimes it just feels like there's going to be fewer unique voices out there.
The comparisons to Maxwell made me wonder if I should give him a serious listen finally - after all, I'm past 30 now. What album would be a good starting point?
The comparisons to Maxwell made me wonder if I should give him a serious listen finally - after all, I'm past 30 now. What album would be a good starting point?
God... I am not that familiar with Maxwell's stuff... but that clip you posted Batmon... I found that soooo tepid. That's the kind of ZZZzzzzzzz r&b that I think of when I tell myself I don't really like r&b. Is that representative of his best stuff?
I liked the Fallon performance. Maybe not the best vocal performance ever - but I think Frank Ocean has something intangible that trumps the voice complaints.
Harold: Back off cock boy, what I said him goes double for you.
J.D.: Cock boy? You just call me cock boy?
Harold: Yeah, you know I did. You're just stalling 'cause you're not quick enough to think of a comeback.
J.D.: You think I'm not quick enough. Guy thinks I'm not quick enough. Well I got news for you. I am quick enough... Cock boy! [raises index finger in sad attempt to flip Harold off]
I liked the Fallon performance. Maybe not the best vocal performance ever
My friend was there and said that Ocean was pretty nervous and not happy with his performance.
I saw that. Fallon tells him something like, "you did great" at the end, and one can definitely see his apprehension at the beginning.
Hard song to do live... there's a bunch that I think might have come off better. Speaks well of the kid that "Bad Religion" is what he went with, though.
Not a big fan of prior stuff by Frank Ocean (love that one joint on OF2 tho - Analog 2), and I didn't think Pyramids was that special, but I enjoyed the Fallon performance, even with the corny-ass strings!
You dudes should try listening to artists' on their own merit(s) some time. You'll never be satisfied if you keep comparing whomever to your own idea of perfection.
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I had to re-groom that to my R&B section before I updated my iPod, haha.
Also pre-ordered teh vinyl from Amazon earlier.
I thought that about Sweet Life too.
(For what it's worth...)
I don't expect everyone to march in lockstep on issues like this, but let me just say that if you're going to post reductionist, dimwitted piffle like "I don't like songs about dudes sexing other dudes", in 2012, anywhere, then tough luck for your sensitivities. Don't act all surprised that you get clowned. Consider yourself lucky that clowning and similar internet pile-ons are all you have to worry about. While you're doing that, have a think about all the songs you love - even the ones that appear to be about women - which might actually be about dudes sexing other dudes, assuming that even considering such a possibility doesn't terrify you.
Also, fuck hypocritical, can't-buy-a-hit weed carriers like Lil' Scrappy who spout reactionary bullshit in one breath whilst saying he'd get on a track with Frank Ocean "like it was yesterday" in the other. I guess "principles" aren't so deeply held when you haven't had a real hit in six years.
Hi, Phill.
Was getting this vibe from "Sierra Leone" this morning.
On fourth listen, really feeling this. Shades of Shuggie, Stevie, Maxwell, and some shit I can't really identify (ETA: Musiq Soulchild?). Songs about girls. Songs about boys. Songs about other shit. A couple times I felt the thing meandering into nothingness but it always snaps back before I can hit FF.
I expect the one BATMON to come around shortly...
That said, I think this albulum is fire. Thank God he uses the pronoun "she" instead of "he" on 90% of the songs - otherwise, the songs might sound totes diff.
lol what?
I love this track ft. Andre 3000 doe. The production is great, sentiment, emotion, lyrics all great, just his vocals seem kinda ordinary. tbh if Andre wasn't on it, I woulda probably gotten bored.
i mean he's no sam cooke, but his voice fits nicely with the overall product (i.e. his art).
I can understand someone not liking his singing. His voice is throaty, often thin, often whispery, sometimes overwrought.
Works for me.
On the other thing, listening to Bad Religion, what I heard was Taxi Driver... Bring Me To My Knees... Bad Religion...
Enough little snippets to know he was talking to the driver about unrequited love.
I never heard the part where the love was male.
I am surprised, that without listening, people would reject it for being gay.
The comparisons to Maxwell made me wonder if I should give him a serious listen finally - after all, I'm past 30 now. What album would be a good starting point?
oh man. urban hang suite is certified.
no comparison
Your getting emotional. I never said he sucks. Your jumping to conclusions.
There are suitable role players in the NBA and here are cats with next level talent.
Frank Ocean is gettin Linsanity Love on SS. But time will tell like when yall anointed The Dream as the next level.
Your getting emotional. I never said he sucks. Your jumping to conclusions.
There are suitable role players in the NBA and here are cats with next level talent.
Frank Ocean is gettin Linsanity Love on SS. But time will tell like when yall anointed The Dream as the next level.
Nobody's anointing anything, just digging the record
Exactly. You're getting emotional, Batty.
I liked the Fallon performance. Maybe not the best vocal performance ever - but I think Frank Ocean has something intangible that trumps the voice complaints.
My friend was there and said that Ocean was pretty nervous and not happy with his performance.
And where are both of those dudes?
I saw that. Fallon tells him something like, "you did great" at the end, and one can definitely see his apprehension at the beginning.
Hard song to do live... there's a bunch that I think might have come off better. Speaks well of the kid that "Bad Religion" is what he went with, though.
Also, The Dream is still nice:
Why are you asking ME?? I already told you I don't like The Dream and I stopped paying attention to Ryan Leslie once he started rapping.
Neither of those dudes have anything to do with Frank Ocean though.