For those who aren't too scared of catching gay cooties
I don't think anyone feels that way. If people want to ascribe ideas to me that I haven't advocated for, there's not much I can do about it.
man, I'm not even remotely interested in hashing this out with you. your posts throughout this thread, replete with their bogus stereotypes and wink-wink lockerroomisms, speak for themselves.
I am being tongue-in-cheek (yo! NO HOMO BRAH!), above.
Some people here think FO isn't going to do a single song about it. Bizarre.
Actually, most people here don't give a fuck. Love between two people plays out pretty much the same no matter what their private parts look like. And good music is good music. That Ocean may use "he" or "him" in a song isn't really a big deal. It's not gross, it's not a personal threat and it's acknowledging the oodles of people whose lives and loves have up to very recently been totally ignored in music, movies and television.
It also seems you are having a difficult time differentiating between (gay) love and (gay) sex.
Some people here think FO isn't going to do a single song about it. Bizarre.
Actually, most people here don't give a fuck. Love between two people plays out pretty much the same no matter what their private parts look like. And good music is good music. That Ocean may use "he" or "him" in a song isn't really a big deal. It's not gross, it's not a personal threat and it's acknowledging the oodles of people whose lives and loves have up to very recently been totally ignored in music, movies and television.
It also seems you are having a difficult time differentiating between (gay) love and (gay) sex.
I also think the music isn't good. Does that make people feel better? I've never said I feel personally threatened, nor did I say it's gross. People in this thread are having a huge issue with claiming I'm saying things I haven't even come close to saying. I understand that using "he" or "him" isn't really a big deal. I'm not the one who is making it one. I understand that there are oodles of homophobes out there. I'm not one of them. In fact, I've said repeatedely that I think it's cool that FO is doing his thing.
People want to latch onto the fact that I said gay love is not my preferred subject matter. What is wrong with that? Do I have to like every single song ever made?
From a selfishly musical pov, it's better if artists struggle for a while with the shall I / shan't I come out dilemma.
George Michael made some timeless pop music in the pre period, and come Faith it was pretty much gone.
Being comfortable in one's skin does not often great art make.
As for Bon Vivant, this thread has all the classic hallmarks of herd mentality, ganging up for a kicking of dude honestly voicing an opinion which contains nothing he can be strung up for.
Have some empathy FFS
For BV, sometimes it might pay to take a step out of the zone and ask: am I courageously swimming against the tide or am I just refusing to concede just because I refuse to be bested?
Hubris has a habit of being rewarded by the universe, on both sides of this discourse.
not just in terms of music and talent but in terms of being ones self and career trajectory. GO
Singing Ability > Being oneself.
This kid doesnt impress me. He'll be long forgotton but will open up the doors for the next kid who does it from jump and not for an album promo.
Sylvester anyone?
Dude made a name for himself long before any mention of his sexuality. Also, if I understand it correctly, it was the media (bloggers?) who first brought attention to this after reporting that a couple songs they heard at the Channel Orange listening party specifically referenced "him, he, etc." and THEY'RE the ones who said "Wait...is Frank Ocean gay??" He then posted the letter that started this thread as his own way of clarifying the rumors.
Anyways, Batmon, those little red dots that show up under "forgotton" mean something, you know. ;-)
The liner notes on the digital version make no mention of the "Little Miss Lover" drums sampled on "Crack Rock." Neither in the sample section nor in the composer/written by area. Possible "oof!" or handled behind-the-scenes?
Also, I love that they sampled (and credited) a very minor dojo practice scene from The Last Dragon.
that earl sweatshirt verse is wack. it adds nothing to the track.
is FO really part of the whole "odd future collective"? lame.
them clowns bring him down.
Was a little disappointed with the album on first listen since I'm a HUGE fan of his previous output, but the Jimmy Fallon performance sold me on the "Bad Religion" song and now I'm warming up to the rest of the album on second and third listen. I just think if he'd have taken the best from Channel Orange and put it with some of the best songs from the Lonny Breaux Collection he would've had a bonafied classic (maybe it still will be regarded as a classic, who knows... only time will tell I guess). Regardless, I'm proud as hell of the man. It's time for everybody to come out of their closets, gay and straight alike, and say "f**k you" to whoever don't like it.
Not to read into it too much (too late?), but part of the liner notes were in the same style -- all caps in Apple's TextEdit program -- than the letter, and I guess that lends to the argument that it was a calculated move. You could also say that he might have known questions would arise due to the album's content, and prepare for that event. Doesn't really matter. Still getting into the album but so far Side A seems short and sweet while Side B is that fuego.
Not to read into it too much (too late?), but part of the liner notes were in the same style -- all caps in Apple's TextEdit program -- than the letter, and I guess that lends to the argument that it was a calculated move. You could also say that he might have known questions would arise due to the album's content, and prepare for that event. Doesn't really matter. Still getting into the album but so far Side A seems short and sweet while Side B is that fuego.
I think it was supposed to be in the liner notes, but I don't seem them in the digital booklet. Maybe it'll be in the physical copy?
How do you determine Side A from Side B on digital files?
Like Phill I was kind of let down on the first listen, but subsequent listens were very rewarding. Really dig where he's coming from, beautiful songs man
That Fallon performance is some goosebumps shit. Dude's got a ton of heart. First televised performance ever and he's singing about another guy.
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Brilliant campaign management right there. Text book, really. I didn't even know who this guy was until very recently.
As for the idea that being gay will kill his career, I think if his sound has mass-appeal, he will do quite well.
Kindly,
parallax
Haha! Nice. The thing is, I'm not protesting at all. I've said my piece. Others want to make more out of it than it is.
Think what you want.
I'm counting individual posts here!
Honestly, the terrible look is yours.
I don't think anyone feels that way. If people want to ascribe ideas to me that I haven't advocated for, there's not much I can do about it.
man, I'm not even remotely interested in hashing this out with you. your posts throughout this thread, replete with their bogus stereotypes and wink-wink lockerroomisms, speak for themselves.
I am being tongue-in-cheek (yo! NO HOMO BRAH!), above.
Actually, most people here don't give a fuck. Love between two people plays out pretty much the same no matter what their private parts look like. And good music is good music. That Ocean may use "he" or "him" in a song isn't really a big deal. It's not gross, it's not a personal threat and it's acknowledging the oodles of people whose lives and loves have up to very recently been totally ignored in music, movies and television.
It also seems you are having a difficult time differentiating between (gay) love and (gay) sex.
Thank you.
I also think the music isn't good. Does that make people feel better? I've never said I feel personally threatened, nor did I say it's gross. People in this thread are having a huge issue with claiming I'm saying things I haven't even come close to saying. I understand that using "he" or "him" isn't really a big deal. I'm not the one who is making it one. I understand that there are oodles of homophobes out there. I'm not one of them. In fact, I've said repeatedely that I think it's cool that FO is doing his thing.
People want to latch onto the fact that I said gay love is not my preferred subject matter. What is wrong with that? Do I have to like every single song ever made?
My bad. I forgot that this was such an serious issue. Pardon me for trying to keep the discussion light and humorous.
Absolutely nothing. And I like how you're standing firm (ahem).
As you now know, when you go against the SS grain, you will catch a lot of shit.
BV is just sayin he doesn't like songs with gay subject matter.
So what. Let it be.
BV I think you're wrong when you say he has already peaked, however.
i'm not gay, but i think i prefer it that he is gay/bi/whatever
Frank is straight up super talented and super a interesting character
the fact he had the courage to come out like this just strengthens his character in my opinion
how many artists can you really believe in these days?
at least you know he's fucking feeling what he's talking about
even if it is bums ;)
George Michael made some timeless pop music in the pre period, and come Faith it was pretty much gone.
Being comfortable in one's skin does not often great art make.
As for Bon Vivant, this thread has all the classic hallmarks of herd mentality, ganging up for a kicking of dude honestly voicing an opinion which contains nothing he can be strung up for.
Have some empathy FFS
For BV, sometimes it might pay to take a step out of the zone and ask: am I courageously swimming against the tide or am I just refusing to concede just because I refuse to be bested?
Hubris has a habit of being rewarded by the universe, on both sides of this discourse.
Singing Ability > Being oneself.
This kid doesnt impress me. He'll be long forgotton but will open up the doors for the next kid who does it from jump and not for an album promo.
Sylvester anyone?
Dude made a name for himself long before any mention of his sexuality. Also, if I understand it correctly, it was the media (bloggers?) who first brought attention to this after reporting that a couple songs they heard at the Channel Orange listening party specifically referenced "him, he, etc." and THEY'RE the ones who said "Wait...is Frank Ocean gay??" He then posted the letter that started this thread as his own way of clarifying the rumors.
Anyways, Batmon, those little red dots that show up under "forgotton" mean something, you know. ;-)
Also, I love that they sampled (and credited) a very minor dojo practice scene from The Last Dragon.
is FO really part of the whole "odd future collective"? lame.
them clowns bring him down.
great album, otherwise.
wasn't this like a shit ton of tracks?
does anybody have one cds worth of the best tracks?
would love to have a tracklist of the more notable ones.
and ha good call on the shuggie.
I think it was supposed to be in the liner notes, but I don't seem them in the digital booklet. Maybe it'll be in the physical copy?
How do you determine Side A from Side B on digital files?
That Fallon performance is some goosebumps shit. Dude's got a ton of heart. First televised performance ever and he's singing about another guy.
Ocean for the win.