anyone else relieved that the petrodollars couldn't lure Pep to either Chelsea or Man City? Is Chelsea considered petrodollars or is it embezzledollars?
Me. City fine without him. Not saying he's no good, but surely, at Barca, it must have been like this every week:
anyone else relieved that the petrodollars couldn't lure Pep to either Chelsea or Man City? Is Chelsea considered petrodollars or is it embezzledollars?
Me. City fine without him. Not saying he's no good, but surely, at Barca, it must have been like this every week:
"Get the ball to Messi."
isn't that the Messi Paradox? "He's only that good because he plays at Bar??a"/"Bar??a are only that good because Messi plays with them"
I give Guardiola a lot of credit for that team. Just compare the team that won the CL in 2009 to the one that won it in 2006.
It will be interesting to see how Bayern Munich plays next season, but it helps his detractors that he'll be coaching the most dominant club in the Bundesliga.
Clearly though it resolves the riddle of exactly who will take over from SAF.
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The correct answer to that is of course No-one.
SAF is the manager, he has always been the manager, he will always be the manager.
when the time comes, they'll cryogenically freeze his head and wait for the appropriate technology to arrive in order to revive him.
With the current leaps and bounds being made in genetic medicine I don't think it's entirely impossible that he will go from SAF The Man to SAF The Cyborg with nary a break in between . No doubt the fairness of the "upgrades" installed debate would rage on a lot longer though.
Frealdoe, he's a great manager. I couldn't imagine Pep coming with the hairdryer chat, more of a sangria-laced Summer breeze. Keano and dem completely unfazed.
I don't think the hairdryer would be Pep's style. He probably just talks down to you in a very calm and composed manner until you feel like a complete shit.
DocMcCoy"Go and laugh in your own country!" 5,913 Posts
ppadilha said:
J i m s t e r said:
ppadilha said:
anyone else relieved that the petrodollars couldn't lure Pep to either Chelsea or Man City? Is Chelsea considered petrodollars or is it embezzledollars?
Me. City fine without him. Not saying he's no good, but surely, at Barca, it must have been like this every week:
"Get the ball to Messi."
isn't that the Messi Paradox? "He's only that good because he plays at Bar??a"/"Bar??a are only that good because Messi plays with them"
I give Guardiola a lot of credit for that team. Just compare the team that won the CL in 2009 to the one that won it in 2006.
It will be interesting to see how Bayern Munich plays next season, but it helps his detractors that he'll be coaching the most dominant club in the Bundesliga.
All the lads in the office here are dead excited by it, even the ones who don't support Bayern. Their attitude is that the attention focused on Pep's arrival will benefit the German game overall in the long-term. In any event, it's the ideal set-up for him. There's neither the need nor the pressure to rebuild the squad or immediately deliver success, there's a solid youth policy, he won't have to deal with an interfering moneybags owner parachuting players into the squad against his wishes, and stylistically it's the best possible league for him to coach in before finally taking the United job coming to the Prem.
With only three years left on Ferguson's contract, all the talk now will be about who'll take over from him. If United try to replace him with a marquee name, they should focus on making Pep a world-beating offer as soon as his Bayern contract expires. Judging from the low-key way the talks progressed there, it wouldn't surprise me if he'd already indicated to United off the record that he'd be willing to take the job once he's out of contract with Bayern, subject to certain things being in place by the time he arrives.
If Pep's a success and decides to stay in M??nchen, then they'd be far better off trying to land Moyes than anyone else. He's philosophically similar to Taggart, and he's done almost as much as it's possible for anyone to do at Everton without a vastly-increased transfer kitty. Getting them into the CL is now a realistic prospect, even if it would underline the ridiculousness of the competition's title, and it'd be a suitable high note to leave on. He could provide United with something approaching the kind of continuity they'll need when Ferguson finally steps down. Even though his record isn't as illustrious, he's much less of a risk in many respects, and he's unlikely to go in there with a huge list of demands either. If he's after the opportunity to prove what he can do at a big club with plenty of cash, then where better to do it?
Mourinho is a busted flush now, I reckon. Most United fans I know keep an uneasy peace with the rags' current "winning ugly" style as it is, and I doubt Mourinho would be universally popular if he brought his version of it to the swamp, as history indicates he will. Regardless, he's a lousy long-term bet as well. The moment anyone told him he can't have [player X] without first selling [players T, U & V], he'd be out the door.
I believe Chelsea probably threw the most money at Guardiola but he knew he wouldn't get the time to complete his plan with them.
I have a lot of respect for Bayern in the way the club is ran and how they go about their business. They are very much like Barca in the way they bring young talent through and they also seem to have the knack of buying great players at seemingly great prices in comparison with others.
I think many may see it as the perfect stepping stone for Pep before moving over to United, but I wouldn't be surprised if he stays there a long time with the intent of building a dynasty..
I think both Guardiola and Mourinho ascribe to the Bela Guttman rule that a manager's cycle doesn't last more than 3 or 4 seasons. Don't see either of them staying long term at any one place.
and I think Man Utd fans are delusional if they expect the next manager to stay on as long as SAF has, but if that's what they want then Moyes would be the best bet. He's certainly a better option than Mourinho and maybe he'd be given more time to fill Ol' Puceface's boots, whereas Mourinho always arrives at a club with the pressure to win titles straight away.
I don't see how Guardiola is a good fit for United, so I'm bemused why you are seemingly certain he will end up there. Maybe there was some article in some rag I missed?
For years now United have had a team that revolves around building everything off a solid defence. They play a very simple effective system that doesn't rely heavily on players being particularly creative or versatile. Not that the United players aren't, so it's not a Stoke / Barca type comparison but it's their styles are poles apart. Barca on the other hand barely play any typical defenders.
Maybe Pep is the master of more than doing it the Barca way, but that's in his blood, and why pay all that money for him if not to recreate the magic of Barca. I don't see a Fergie United team playing tiki taka.
Mou would be a much more obvious replacement, he would be a perfect fit for them straight out the gate. Plus now the Bayern job has gone, where's there left for him to go? He's won nearly all he can in Europe, anywhere else but United would really be a step down.
so Scolari called up Ronaldinho for the friendly v. England next month. I keep picturing him filling out the call-up sheet, thinking to himself: your move, Sven.
although i respect swansea chelsea were poor on the day
rafa talks all about he could have 2 striker..than do it
relentless attacking football is what they do best and what you need with a 2 goal agg deficit
useless...
i want mou to return
I'm always amazed at how Chelse's players are willing to sabotage a season just because they don't like a coach. It's obvious they want Rafa out. I imagine they'll just do the bare minimum required to hold onto a CL spot, and I don't see anyone other than Mourinho keeping them happy. Roman is running out of managers he hasn't hired anyway.
so Scolari called up Ronaldinho for the friendly v. England next month.
He was so good for a while. Should've focused on football and not partying.
I too used to think like this. But then, if you are going to party, why not do it while you are young, with no ties and while your body can take the most punishment? No point partying when your career is over, page 3 hookers won't want to sleep with old men when they can bag current players
Perhaps if he didn't party, he would not have been the player he was? He didn't do bad:
Honours
Club
Gr??mio
South Cup (1): 1999
Rio Grande do Sul State Championship (1): 1999
Paris Saint-Germain
UEFA Intertoto Cup (1): 2001
Barcelona
La Liga (2): 2004???05, 2005???06
Supercopa de Espa??a (2): 2005, 2006
UEFA Champions League (1): 2005???06
AC Milan
Serie A (1): 2010???11
Flamengo
Ta??a Guanabara (1): 2011
Ta??a Rio (1): 2011
Campeonato Carioca (1): 2011
International
Brazil
Copa Am??rica (1): 1999
FIFA World Cup (1): 2002
FIFA Confederations Cup (1): 2005
Supercl??sico de las Am??ricas (1): 2011
Brazil U23
CONMEBOL Men Pre-Olympic Tournament (1): 1999
Olympic Bronze Medal (1): 2008
Brazil U17
FIFA U-17 World Championship (1): 1997
Individual
FIFA Confederations Cup Golden Ball: 1999
FIFA Confederations Cup Golden Shoe: 1999
Rio Grande do Sul State Championship Top Scorer: 1999
CONMEBOL Men Pre-Olympic Tournament Top Scorer: 2000
FIFA World Cup All-Star Team: 2002
FIFA 100
Don Bal??n Award (2): 2003???04, 2005???06
La Liga Ibero-American Player of the Year (1): 2004
FIFA World Player of the Year (2): 2004, 2005
Ballon d'Or (1): 2005
FIFPro World Player of the Year (2): 2005, 2006
UEFA Club Best Forward (1): 2004???05
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year (1): 2005???06
UEFA Team of the Year (3): 2003???04, 2004???05, 2005???06
FIFPro World XI (3): 2004???05, 2005???06, 2006???07
Golden Foot (1): 2009
Looks like Mario is going back to Milan, and I ain't mad. Was a red card liability at times. Never showed his full potential in a City shirt. The prem will be a less colourful place without him doe.
DocMcCoy"Go and laugh in your own country!" 5,913 Posts
J i m s t e r said:
Looks like Mario is going back to Milan, and I ain't mad. Was a red card liability at times. Never showed his full potential in a City shirt. The prem will be a less colourful place without him doe.
Speaking of Milan, after Sunday's shambles, I'll be surprised if Coutinho even bothers going to the airport today. "Magic of the Cup", my back-eye.
I'm surprised that pundits and public seem surprised at these cupsets.
There's less difference between EPL and Championship, and championship and lower divisions than peeps acknowledge. Partly because most of them never watch non-EPL.
Same fitness, slightly higher skillz vs heightened hunger, all are equally well organised. Throw in an upferit crowd and it's game on.
Friday night was like being back in the late 80s. A fantastic night out.
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Me. City fine without him. Not saying he's no good, but surely, at Barca, it must have been like this every week:
"Get the ball to Messi."
isn't that the Messi Paradox? "He's only that good because he plays at Bar??a"/"Bar??a are only that good because Messi plays with them"
I give Guardiola a lot of credit for that team. Just compare the team that won the CL in 2009 to the one that won it in 2006.
It will be interesting to see how Bayern Munich plays next season, but it helps his detractors that he'll be coaching the most dominant club in the Bundesliga.
Knows full well that his style of football will come unstuck on that cold Tuesday in February at the Britannia.
Clearly though it resolves the riddle of exactly who will take over from SAF.
And it ain't Harry Redknapp.
The correct answer to that is of course No-one.
SAF is the manager, he has always been the manager, he will always be the manager.
when the time comes, they'll cryogenically freeze his head and wait for the appropriate technology to arrive in order to revive him.
With the current leaps and bounds being made in genetic medicine I don't think it's entirely impossible that he will go from SAF The Man to SAF The Cyborg with nary a break in between . No doubt the fairness of the "upgrades" installed debate would rage on a lot longer though.
Frealdoe, he's a great manager. I couldn't imagine Pep coming with the hairdryer chat, more of a sangria-laced Summer breeze. Keano and dem completely unfazed.
All the lads in the office here are dead excited by it, even the ones who don't support Bayern. Their attitude is that the attention focused on Pep's arrival will benefit the German game overall in the long-term. In any event, it's the ideal set-up for him. There's neither the need nor the pressure to rebuild the squad or immediately deliver success, there's a solid youth policy, he won't have to deal with an interfering moneybags owner parachuting players into the squad against his wishes, and stylistically it's the best possible league for him to coach in before finally
taking the United jobcoming to the Prem.With only three years left on Ferguson's contract, all the talk now will be about who'll take over from him. If United try to replace him with a marquee name, they should focus on making Pep a world-beating offer as soon as his Bayern contract expires. Judging from the low-key way the talks progressed there, it wouldn't surprise me if he'd already indicated to United off the record that he'd be willing to take the job once he's out of contract with Bayern, subject to certain things being in place by the time he arrives.
If Pep's a success and decides to stay in M??nchen, then they'd be far better off trying to land Moyes than anyone else. He's philosophically similar to Taggart, and he's done almost as much as it's possible for anyone to do at Everton without a vastly-increased transfer kitty. Getting them into the CL is now a realistic prospect, even if it would underline the ridiculousness of the competition's title, and it'd be a suitable high note to leave on. He could provide United with something approaching the kind of continuity they'll need when Ferguson finally steps down. Even though his record isn't as illustrious, he's much less of a risk in many respects, and he's unlikely to go in there with a huge list of demands either. If he's after the opportunity to prove what he can do at a big club with plenty of cash, then where better to do it?
Mourinho is a busted flush now, I reckon. Most United fans I know keep an uneasy peace with the rags' current "winning ugly" style as it is, and I doubt Mourinho would be universally popular if he brought his version of it to the swamp, as history indicates he will. Regardless, he's a lousy long-term bet as well. The moment anyone told him he can't have [player X] without first selling [players T, U & V], he'd be out the door.
I have a lot of respect for Bayern in the way the club is ran and how they go about their business. They are very much like Barca in the way they bring young talent through and they also seem to have the knack of buying great players at seemingly great prices in comparison with others.
I think many may see it as the perfect stepping stone for Pep before moving over to United, but I wouldn't be surprised if he stays there a long time with the intent of building a dynasty..
Sorry, couldn't resist.
and I think Man Utd fans are delusional if they expect the next manager to stay on as long as SAF has, but if that's what they want then Moyes would be the best bet. He's certainly a better option than Mourinho and maybe he'd be given more time to fill Ol' Puceface's boots, whereas Mourinho always arrives at a club with the pressure to win titles straight away.
For years now United have had a team that revolves around building everything off a solid defence. They play a very simple effective system that doesn't rely heavily on players being particularly creative or versatile. Not that the United players aren't, so it's not a Stoke / Barca type comparison but it's their styles are poles apart. Barca on the other hand barely play any typical defenders.
Maybe Pep is the master of more than doing it the Barca way, but that's in his blood, and why pay all that money for him if not to recreate the magic of Barca. I don't see a Fergie United team playing tiki taka.
Mou would be a much more obvious replacement, he would be a perfect fit for them straight out the gate. Plus now the Bayern job has gone, where's there left for him to go? He's won nearly all he can in Europe, anywhere else but United would really be a step down.
sorry. this is the only thread i can read these days.
big gulps eh? see ya later.
rafa talks all about he could have 2 striker..than do it
relentless attacking football is what they do best and what you need with a 2 goal agg deficit
useless...
i want mou to return
He was so good for a while. Should've focused on football and not partying.
I too used to think like this. But then, if you are going to party, why not do it while you are young, with no ties and while your body can take the most punishment? No point partying when your career is over, page 3 hookers won't want to sleep with old men when they can bag current players
Perhaps if he didn't party, he would not have been the player he was? He didn't do bad:
Honours
Club
Gr??mio
South Cup (1): 1999
Rio Grande do Sul State Championship (1): 1999
Paris Saint-Germain
UEFA Intertoto Cup (1): 2001
Barcelona
La Liga (2): 2004???05, 2005???06
Supercopa de Espa??a (2): 2005, 2006
UEFA Champions League (1): 2005???06
AC Milan
Serie A (1): 2010???11
Flamengo
Ta??a Guanabara (1): 2011
Ta??a Rio (1): 2011
Campeonato Carioca (1): 2011
International
Brazil
Copa Am??rica (1): 1999
FIFA World Cup (1): 2002
FIFA Confederations Cup (1): 2005
Supercl??sico de las Am??ricas (1): 2011
Brazil U23
CONMEBOL Men Pre-Olympic Tournament (1): 1999
Olympic Bronze Medal (1): 2008
Brazil U17
FIFA U-17 World Championship (1): 1997
Individual
FIFA Confederations Cup Golden Ball: 1999
FIFA Confederations Cup Golden Shoe: 1999
Rio Grande do Sul State Championship Top Scorer: 1999
CONMEBOL Men Pre-Olympic Tournament Top Scorer: 2000
FIFA World Cup All-Star Team: 2002
FIFA 100
Don Bal??n Award (2): 2003???04, 2005???06
La Liga Ibero-American Player of the Year (1): 2004
FIFA World Player of the Year (2): 2004, 2005
Ballon d'Or (1): 2005
FIFPro World Player of the Year (2): 2005, 2006
UEFA Club Best Forward (1): 2004???05
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year (1): 2005???06
UEFA Team of the Year (3): 2003???04, 2004???05, 2005???06
FIFPro World XI (3): 2004???05, 2005???06, 2006???07
Golden Foot (1): 2009
watching him fall off from 2007 onwards was one of the more depressing footballing experiences I've had. He was just insane up to that point.
he had his moments this past year, and considering the national team is shite atm, might as well call him up...
Speaking of Milan, after Sunday's shambles, I'll be surprised if Coutinho even bothers going to the airport today. "Magic of the Cup", my back-eye.
There's less difference between EPL and Championship, and championship and lower divisions than peeps acknowledge. Partly because most of them never watch non-EPL.
Same fitness, slightly higher skillz vs heightened hunger, all are equally well organised. Throw in an upferit crowd and it's game on.
Friday night was like being back in the late 80s. A fantastic night out.