Oh Brother... The dude was most likely sexually abused as a child and for the past 30 years everyone has been worshiping him, telling him " yes " to everything and putting the world at his feet. Power is corrupting and dude most likely did all kinds of shit that he should not have.
Great artistry is always blossomed from inner demons. Dudes got inner demons. Take a look at him and see what he has become. It is sad and scary. Of course it is hard to beleive that this is the person who created Off the Wall.
With all that being said in the United States people are innocent until proven gulity and often are innocent even AFTER they are proven guilty. Powerful Black Men in America are often taken down. I have automatic reservations about this shit regardless of anything. And yes... I am one of the few people in the world who beleive that O.J. may or may not have killed Nicole. MAY or MAY NOT have. I grew up around here and know the territory. It all seems so unlikely at times.
Just remember you are learning everything you know about this shit from a filter called the television set. Your not there. You don't know Michael. You don't hang out at Neverland.
Now with that being said the dude is a freak and may very well be guilty of whatever but I am not the one to say. The jury is.
I don't think I'll even be able to play any of his classics out anymore out of pure ethical reasons
holler at my PM if you, or anyone else who feels like this is trying to unload a "working day and night" 12 inch on the cheap, that song is too ill for me to still be playing it from the LP....but key word being on the cheap cause it's still in print as a mix-master repress (and i don't even care if you sell me a used mix master, i just want the nice pressing)
I would say that I find Jackson disturbing in many ways, but the parents of these kids should be held responsible as well. What led them to believe that it'd be cool for their 10 year old to have a slumber party with a 40 year old pixie? As far as motivations being tainted by money, that gate swings both ways in this case, i.e. positive testimony/public statements by those with a permanent pass on the Michael Jackson gravy train...
Jodie...hmmmm....o.k. i'll give you that......but thats it!!!!!...Jodie and Ron thats all!!!!....anyone else and i'll take back what i said....and dont give me any of that Webster bullshit either
Under what circumstrance would anyone be able to wrest that catalogue from his possession: it is his chief source of income.
By putting him in a position whereby he would have no choice but to option it's use or sell it outright, lest creditors come and claim it as legally theirs.
And how likely is that?
Actually it is very likely. Micheal has repeatedly used the catalog as collateral for loans and to get Sony to spend more money to try and improve his (relatively) lackluster album sales. His last record sold less than 2 million records, and more than $30million was spent promoting it. In order to induce Sony to do this, Jackson basically let them put a lein on the Beatles catalog. Moreover, in terms of precedent for such a sale, Jackson already sold half of the catalog to Sony in 1991 and additionally, Sony has the sole administration rights to the ENTIRE catalog, an important indicator of who really "controls" the songs in a practical sense. With MJ spending extravagently, plus legal bills, plus outstanding judgments against him from cancelled tours and a huge mulit-million dollarr outstanding loan that used his share of the ATV catalog as collateral, and a tendency to spend unreasonably and thus remain unrecouped on multi-platinun albums, it seems likely that he will sell it some time in the near future, because it is his most valuable remaining asset. If you're going to be a prick, you should at least know what you're talking about dude.
Jodie...hmmmm....o.k. i'll give you that......but thats it!!!!!...Jodie and Ron thats all!!!!....anyone else and i'll take back what i said....and dont give me any of that Webster bullshit either
I am just saying that everyone has a unique experience, and AP was correct, he most likely was molested himself when he was young(many people who are also get help, and are able to break that cycle too)...nothing really excuses his messed up outlook on sleeping with kids, IMO. It may shed light, but if you maintain that you are normal,etc and keep that stuff going, what can anyone say? It's just plain NOT NORMAL.
Under what circumstrance would anyone be able to wrest that catalogue from his possession: it is his chief source of income.
By putting him in a position whereby he would have no choice but to option it's use or sell it outright, lest creditors come and claim it as legally theirs.
And how likely is that?
Actually it is very likely. Micheal has repeatedly used the catalog as collateral for loans and to get Sony to spend more money to try and improve his (relatively) lackluster album sales. His last record sold less than 2 million records, and more than $30million was spent promoting it. In order to induce Sony to do this, Jackson basically let them put a lein on the Beatles catalog. Moreover, in terms of precedent for such a sale, Jackson already sold half of the catalog to Sony in 1991 and additionally, Sony has the sole administration rights to the ENTIRE catalog, an important indicator of who really "controls" the songs in a practical sense. With MJ spending extravagently, plus legal bills, plus outstanding judgments against him from cancelled tours and a huge mulit-million dollarr outstanding loan that used his share of the ATV catalog as collateral, and a tendency to spend unreasonably and thus remain unrecouped on multi-platinun albums, it seems likely that he will sell it some time in the near future, because it is his most valuable remaining asset. If you're going to be a prick, you should at least know what you're talking about dude.
My pleasure, I love when dudes just pop up in here and act all holier-than-thou. Way to make friends hommie, nothing like being condescending AND wrong to make you the coolest kid on the playground.
And for everyone who can't appreciate anything tainted by some bad actions, poor judgement, etc, IMO you are just being reactionary and hypocrytical. You are operating under a false notion of purity and piety that I find kind of alarming for supposed grown folks.
How is me not respecting him or his music reactionary & hypocritical?
So if he's found guilty, which he most likely will, you're still saying don't judge him?
There are just too many examples of indiscretion already for me not to have an opinion.
Just remember you are learning everything you know about this shit from a filter called the television set. Your not there. You don't know Michael. You don't hang out at Neverland.
And for everyone who can't appreciate anything tainted by some bad actions, poor judgement, etc, IMO you are just being reactionary and hypocrytical. You are operating under a false notion of purity and piety that I find kind of alarming for supposed grown folks.
How is me not respecting him or his music reactionary & hypocritical?
So if he's found guilty, which he most likely will, you're still saying don't judge him?
There are just too many examples of indiscretion already for me not to have an opinion.
Opinion is fine...knock yourself out...but how much of all music and art out there is 'tainted' by people who are "bad"? A LOT. I guess I just don't see the point of being so sanctimonious.
And for everyone who can't appreciate anything tainted by some bad actions, poor judgement, etc, IMO you are just being reactionary and hypocrytical. You are operating under a false notion of purity and piety that I find kind of alarming for supposed grown folks.
How is me not respecting him or his music reactionary & hypocritical?
So if he's found guilty, which he most likely will, you're still saying don't judge him?
There are just too many examples of indiscretion already for me not to have an opinion.
Opinion is fine...knock yourself out...but how much of all music and art out there is 'tainted' by people who are "bad"? A LOT. I guess I just don't see the point of being so sanctimonious.
if you want to listen to music or view art by " good " people have fun with your Amy Grant lp's.
And for everyone who can't appreciate anything tainted by some bad actions, poor judgement, etc, IMO you are just being reactionary and hypocrytical. You are operating under a false notion of purity and piety that I find kind of alarming for supposed grown folks.
How is me not respecting him or his music reactionary & hypocritical?
So if he's found guilty, which he most likely will, you're still saying don't judge him?
There are just too many examples of indiscretion already for me not to have an opinion.
Opinion is fine...knock yourself out...but how much of all music and art out there is 'tainted' by people who are "bad"? A LOT. I guess I just don't see the point of being so sanctimonious.
if you want to listen to music or view art by " good " people have fun with your Amy Grant lp's.
And don't read your King James version of the bible, cuz King James was allegedly a pedophile as well.
And don't read your King James version of the bible, cuz King James was allegedly a pedophile as well.
yes ive heard this, also im tossin' all my james brown records in the trash, i heard he beats women & smokes crack & cant support that... also, im throwing away my rap stuff that has roots in the gangs & drug biz, i cant support people who sell drugs... R. Kelly, him to, fuckin little girls on video, who look like pros at 13, cant support him either, in fact im tossin out all my record, cuz most jazz artists i like were heroin addicts & i cant support that either, anyone have any xtra amy grant for a brutha?
And don't read your King James version of the bible, cuz King James was allegedly a pedophile as well.
yes ive heard this, also im tossin' all my james brown records in the trash, i heard he beats women & smokes crack & cant support that... also, im throwing away my rap stuff that has roots in the gangs & drug biz, i cant support people who sell drugs... R. Kelly, him to, fuckin little girls on video, who look like pros at 13, cant support him either, in fact im tossin out all my record, cuz most jazz artists i like were heroin addicts & i cant support that either, anyone have any xtra amy grant for a brutha?
File under "Love The Art, Not The Artist."
I got drunk with an old dude at a bar in Barcelona who said, "My countryman Picasso was a disagreeable bastard of a man. But he made great art." It's the same thing, really.
And don't read your King James version of the bible, cuz King James was allegedly a pedophile as well.
yes ive heard this, also im tossin' all my james brown records in the trash, i heard he beats women & smokes crack & cant support that... also, im throwing away my rap stuff that has roots in the gangs & drug biz, i cant support people who sell drugs... R. Kelly, him to, fuckin little girls on video, who look like pros at 13, cant support him either, in fact im tossin out all my record, cuz most jazz artists i like were heroin addicts & i cant support that either, anyone have any xtra amy grant for a brutha?
File under "Love The Art, Not The Artist."
I got drunk with an old dude at a bar in Barcelona who said, "My countryman Picasso was a disagreeable bastard of a man. But he made great art." It's the same thing, really.
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Great artistry is always blossomed from inner demons. Dudes got inner demons. Take a look at him and see what he has become. It is sad and scary. Of course it is hard to beleive that this is the person who created Off the Wall.
With all that being said in the United States people are innocent until proven gulity and often are innocent even AFTER they are proven guilty. Powerful Black Men in America are often taken down. I have automatic reservations about this shit regardless of anything. And yes... I am one of the few people in the world who beleive that O.J. may or may not have killed Nicole. MAY or MAY NOT have. I grew up around here and know the territory. It all seems so unlikely at times.
Just remember you are learning everything you know about this shit from a filter called the television set. Your not there. You don't know Michael. You don't hang out at Neverland.
Now with that being said the dude is a freak and may very well be guilty of whatever but I am not the one to say. The jury is.
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But let's be honest: Ron Howard's albums suck.
Maybe you should be asking yourself why it's even remotely possible?
holler at my PM if you, or anyone else who feels like this is trying to unload a "working day and night" 12 inch on the cheap, that song is too ill for me to still be playing it from the LP....but key word being on the cheap cause it's still in print as a mix-master repress (and i don't even care if you sell me a used mix master, i just want the nice pressing)
and my fave:
full on.
Maybe I just don't give a fuck either way, since you clearly are being a prick just to be a prick.
Actually it is very likely. Micheal has repeatedly used the catalog as collateral for loans and to get Sony to spend more money to try and improve his (relatively) lackluster album sales. His last record sold less than 2 million records, and more than $30million was spent promoting it. In order to induce Sony to do this, Jackson basically let them put a lein on the Beatles catalog. Moreover, in terms of precedent for such a sale, Jackson already sold half of the catalog to Sony in 1991 and additionally, Sony has the sole administration rights to the ENTIRE catalog, an important indicator of who really "controls" the songs in a practical sense. With MJ spending extravagently, plus legal bills, plus outstanding judgments against him from cancelled tours and a huge mulit-million dollarr outstanding loan that used his share of the ATV catalog as collateral, and a tendency to spend unreasonably and thus remain unrecouped on multi-platinun albums, it seems likely that he will sell it some time in the near future, because it is his most valuable remaining asset. If you're going to be a prick, you should at least know what you're talking about dude.
I am just saying that everyone has a unique experience, and AP was correct, he most likely was molested himself when he was young(many people who are also get help, and are able to break that cycle too)...nothing really excuses his messed up outlook on sleeping with kids, IMO. It may shed light, but if you maintain that you are normal,etc and keep that stuff going, what can anyone say? It's just plain NOT NORMAL.
Ahem. Thank U, UMAD.
Rill Dill.
Carry On about MJ
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Mike Jones?...wrong thread homie
How is me not respecting him or his music reactionary & hypocritical?
So if he's found guilty, which he most likely will, you're still saying don't judge him?
There are just too many examples of indiscretion already for me not to have an opinion.
not just monetarily. his spirit was broke as a teenager. as an adult his sense of what is appropriate between a grown man and a child is also broke.
dude's broked-the-fuck-up.
i mean the only chick he ever even made out with was P.Presley and MJ prolly had to imagine he was making out with little boy Elvis.
^^^truth being spoken
who the fuck knows the real deal??!
apparently 77 "real headz" know the deal[/b]
Opinion is fine...knock yourself out...but how much of all music and art out there is 'tainted' by people who are "bad"? A LOT. I guess I just don't see the point of being so sanctimonious.
if you want to listen to music or view art by " good " people have fun with your Amy Grant lp's.
And don't read your King James version of the bible, cuz King James was allegedly a pedophile as well.
yes ive heard this, also im tossin' all my james brown records in the trash, i heard he beats women & smokes crack & cant support that...
also, im throwing away my rap stuff that has roots in the gangs & drug biz, i cant support people who sell drugs...
R. Kelly, him to, fuckin little girls on video, who look like pros at 13, cant support him either, in fact im tossin out all my record, cuz most jazz artists i like were heroin addicts & i cant support that either, anyone have any xtra amy grant for a brutha?
File under "Love The Art, Not The Artist."
I got drunk with an old dude at a bar in Barcelona who said, "My countryman Picasso was a disagreeable bastard of a man. But he made great art." It's the same thing, really.
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