How rare was the De La Soul "Say No Go" test pressing? I enough people who actually own it (doubles even!) that it makes me think Tommy Boy pressed up 1000 "tests" of it or something.
I was curious about the De La Soul is Dead LP I have, it is numbered #001226, but I highly doubt they made 999,999 of them. I would guess they made more around 2,000? 3500? 20k, I have no idea. Curious how you guys think about it in numbers. 500? 1,000? A thousand seems a lot.
A&M seems to have a knack for putting out low run classics, or new found hits that were sleepers at the time of their release. Not that A&M dominates this thread by any means but Maybe the A&R's at A&M were ahead of their time or something? I dunno.
I guess the same could be said about any of the major labels one hit (non)-wonders. It goes even further to ask whether an album's popularity at the time of its release defines its classic-ness? It seems obvious to say yes but we wouldn't even know or care about so much of it if it weren't its supposed rarity, At least for collectros. I think it can be considered rare for a lot of reasons, but mostly limited numbers and special pressings, right?
Now, I really don't understand this one. It's a decent LP - one I'd pick up for $20 in the real world - but the actual music quality just does not justify the price. There are albums that are 2 or 3 times as rare on HSE and Creed that garner 2 or 3 times less money at auction and kick this LP's ass up and down the block. Hell, I've got singles I'd rather own. Any American that does not flip this for mid-three figures is a fool.
It's a quite a bit better than "decent" IMO, $600 worth, no way. There were a couple people who said keep it, when I found it. Maybe next time. Uh yeah right.
I get the feeling that CPeetz is gonna be that grandfather that smells like old weed and mothballs, and calls the younguns over to his knee and says, "Has grandpa ever told you about the time he found King James Version IN THE FIELD??"
And, the children will groan and shrug, and mom will look at them sternly, and reluctantly, they will siddle up to grandpa- but not too close; he smells funny- and listen to the story one more time...
One of the rarest has to be that weird birthday rap 12" on A&M that was used for placemats (or party favors?) at some A&R's b-day bash... Under 100 made, most trashed within hours...
The record you're referring to is "Happy Birthday Charlie," pressed for the 1988 birthday of Charlie Minor, the flamboyant promoter for A&M records who was later murdered in 1996. The rap was performed by Rap-A-Lot/A&M artist Raheem the Vigilante and produced by James "Lil J" Smith.
It's a cool novelty record, with Raheem rapping how he met Charlie over a simple drum/keyboard track. Glad my copy isn't trashed. I wonder how Charlie and the other label execs enjoyed the 5th Ward birthday wishes from Raheem & Lil J.
is this the same Beloyd Taylor that was in Earth Wind & Fire, and also S.O.U.L. ? Just curious....
Yes indeed! Guitarist in SOUL and wrote for EWF did stuff with Donald Byrd and Gary Bartz too
wow......that's pretty cool. I know Beloyd a little bit (as my good friend reunited S.O.U.L. a few years back), and he hadn't mentioned it. Not that it would come up in casual conversation mind you, but still. Good record??
is this the same Beloyd Taylor that was in Earth Wind & Fire, and also S.O.U.L. ? Just curious....
Yes indeed! Guitarist in SOUL and wrote for EWF did stuff with Donald Byrd and Gary Bartz too
wow......that's pretty cool. I know Beloyd a little bit (as my good friend reunited S.O.U.L. a few years back), and he hadn't mentioned it. Not that it would come up in casual conversation mind you, but still. Good record??
Good?? Super heated! It must have been way ahead of its time when released in 77 or thereabouts. Got rereleased by Jazzman in the UK not so long ago. A modern soul builder with slight disco tendencies, positivity lyrics, soaring strings....perfect. Rare too, can go for ??200 / $400
Hopefully your man Beloyd got some money out of the re-issue.....
I don't know any stats for how many were pressed/distributed, but from circumstantial evidence I got the impression its at least as rare as Gandalf/rarer than Ill Wind / Ultimate Spinache kind of MGM/Bosstown Sound psych.
Sorry, but Philamore Lincoln is not raer, turns up frequently for $20. I have yet to see Gandalf or Ill Wind in "the field."
I get the feeling that CPeetz is gonna be that grandfather that smells like old weed and mothballs, and calls the younguns over to his knee and says, "Has grandpa ever told you about the time he found King James Version IN THE FIELD??"
And, the children will groan and shrug, and mom will look at them sternly, and reluctantly, they will siddle up to grandpa- but not too close; he smells funny- and listen to the story one more time...
You are quite the comedian KK, ever think about taking your act on the road?
I get the feeling that CPeetz is gonna be that grandfather that smells like old weed and mothballs, and calls the younguns over to his knee and says, "Has grandpa ever told you about the time he found King James Version IN THE FIELD??"
And, the children will groan and shrug, and mom will look at them sternly, and reluctantly, they will siddle up to grandpa- but not too close; he smells funny- and listen to the story one more time...
Except I'm confused about one thing ... are you saying Cpeetz found a King James Version?? And that he sold it?
I get the feeling that CPeetz is gonna be that grandfather that smells like old weed and mothballs, and calls the younguns over to his knee and says, "Has grandpa ever told you about the time he found King James Version IN THE FIELD??"
And, the children will groan and shrug, and mom will look at them sternly, and reluctantly, they will siddle up to grandpa- but not too close; he smells funny- and listen to the story one more time...
You are quite the comedian KK, ever think about taking your act on the road?
Thank you, thank you...You guys have been great...
Hey, what is the deal with Popsike??? Did you see they want my money??? I mean, what am I supposed to do...Price things on my own???
A&M seems to have a knack for putting out low run classics, or new found hits that were sleepers at the time of their release. Not that A&M dominates this thread by any means but Maybe the A&R's at A&M were ahead of their time or something? I dunno.
I guess the same could be said about any of the major labels one hit (non)-wonders. It goes even further to ask whether an album's popularity at the time of its release defines its classic-ness? It seems obvious to say yes but we wouldn't even know or care about so much of it if it weren't its supposed rarity, At least for collectros. I think it can be considered rare for a lot of reasons, but mostly limited numbers and special pressings, right?
I don't see what the big deal is here.
Go to the label discographies at Both Sides Now.com. For every title you know, there's gonna be three you never heard of where the label gambled and lost. That's just the way of the business. Just because it came out on some major like Capitol or CBS doesn't mean it's gonna grow on trees. If it didn't sell, doggone right it's gonna be scarce. Just because albums by the Steve Miller Band are all over the place doesn't mean that Gandalf is gonna follow.
No doubt on the Ashford & Simpson. Never even seen it.
Definitely scarce, but I've always felt as though this is one of those records that has a huge price tag because of demand/quality as much as rarity.
I've never seen one either, but it's on ebay every few months. I would bet that there were at least a couple thousand of these promos pressed up, maybe more.
I get the feeling that CPeetz is gonna be that grandfather that smells like old weed and mothballs, and calls the younguns over to his knee and says, "Has grandpa ever told you about the time he found King James Version IN THE FIELD??"
And, the children will groan and shrug, and mom will look at them sternly, and reluctantly, they will siddle up to grandpa- but not too close; he smells funny- and listen to the story one more time...
Except I'm confused about one thing ... are you saying Cpeetz found a King James Version?? And that he sold it?
Why weren't WE told about this?
By the time I finished reading the "finds" post, the auction had ended!
Who is this dastardly "Cpeetz", and how does he sell records so quickly??
A&M seems to have a knack for putting out low run classics, or new found hits that were sleepers at the time of their release. Not that A&M dominates this thread by any means but Maybe the A&R's at A&M were ahead of their time or something? I dunno.
I guess the same could be said about any of the major labels one hit (non)-wonders. It goes even further to ask whether an album's popularity at the time of its release defines its classic-ness? It seems obvious to say yes but we wouldn't even know or care about so much of it if it weren't its supposed rarity, At least for collectros. I think it can be considered rare for a lot of reasons, but mostly limited numbers and special pressings, right?
I don't see what the big deal is here.
Go to the label discographies at Both Sides Now.com. For every title you know, there's gonna be three you never heard of where the label gambled and lost. That's just the way of the business. Just because it came out on some major like Capitol or CBS doesn't mean it's gonna grow on trees. If it didn't sell, doggone right it's gonna be scarce. Just because albums by the Steve Miller Band are all over the place doesn't mean that Gandalf is gonna follow.
There is no big deal. I was just trying to get into how they become desirable later on, due mostly to collectors and record heads that re-discover them. It would be more interesting to know how many exactly there are of a certain pressing than how popular it was or wasn't when it came out. Its more of a Not knowing then what I know now kind of thing I guess? Sorry, I don't exactly know how to word my questions well I suppose. Oh well. There are several questions......they will remain unanswered.
I get the feeling that CPeetz is gonna be that grandfather that smells like old weed and mothballs, and calls the younguns over to his knee and says, "Has grandpa ever told you about the time he found King James Version IN THE FIELD??"
And, the children will groan and shrug, and mom will look at them sternly, and reluctantly, they will siddle up to grandpa- but not too close; he smells funny- and listen to the story one more time...
Except I'm confused about one thing ... are you saying Cpeetz found a King James Version?? And that he sold it?
Why weren't WE told about this?
By the time I finished reading the "finds" post, the auction had ended!
Who is this dastardly "Cpeetz", and how does he sell records so quickly??
My secrets are my own, and I'll take them to my grave. I have tendency to repeat myself, I'll be the first to admit it. I'm flattered you guys follow my comings and goings so closely.
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I was curious about the De La Soul is Dead LP I have, it is numbered
#001226, but I highly doubt they made 999,999 of them. I would guess they made more around 2,000? 3500? 20k, I have no idea. Curious how you guys think about it in numbers. 500? 1,000? A thousand seems a lot.
A&M seems to have a knack for putting out low run classics, or new found hits that were sleepers at the time of their release. Not that A&M dominates this thread by any means but Maybe the A&R's at A&M were ahead of their time or something? I dunno.
I guess the same could be said about any of the major labels one hit (non)-wonders. It goes even further to ask whether an album's popularity at the time of its release defines its classic-ness? It seems obvious to say yes but we wouldn't even know or care about so much of it if it weren't its supposed rarity, At least for collectros. I think it can be considered rare for a lot of reasons, but mostly limited numbers and special pressings, right?
the soft pop butcher cover equivalent:
the toe suckage:
and the ayers, I don't really know, it goes in with the first time on vinyl appeal I suppose.
It's a quite a bit better than "decent" IMO, $600 worth, no way.
There were a couple people who said keep it, when I found it.
Maybe next time.
Uh yeah right.
And, the children will groan and shrug, and mom will look at them sternly, and reluctantly, they will siddle up to grandpa- but not too close; he smells funny- and listen to the story one more time...
The record you're referring to is "Happy Birthday Charlie," pressed for the 1988 birthday of Charlie Minor, the flamboyant promoter for A&M records who was later murdered in 1996. The rap was performed by Rap-A-Lot/A&M artist Raheem the Vigilante and produced by James "Lil J" Smith.
It's a cool novelty record, with Raheem rapping how he met Charlie over a simple drum/keyboard track. Glad my copy isn't trashed. I wonder how Charlie and the other label execs enjoyed the 5th Ward birthday wishes from Raheem & Lil J.
is this the same Beloyd Taylor that was in Earth Wind & Fire, and also S.O.U.L. ? Just curious....
Yes indeed!
Guitarist in SOUL and wrote for EWF
did stuff with Donald Byrd and Gary Bartz too
wow......that's pretty cool. I know Beloyd a little bit (as my good friend reunited S.O.U.L. a few years back), and he hadn't mentioned it. Not that it would come up in casual conversation mind you, but still. Good record??
Good?? Super heated!
It must have been way ahead of its time when released in 77 or thereabouts.
Got rereleased by Jazzman in the UK not so long ago. A modern soul builder with slight disco tendencies, positivity lyrics, soaring strings....perfect.
Rare too, can go for ??200 / $400
Hopefully your man Beloyd got some money out of the re-issue.....
Sorry, but Philamore Lincoln is not raer, turns up frequently for $20. I have yet to see Gandalf or Ill Wind in "the field."
You are quite the comedian KK, ever think about taking your act on the road?
Except I'm confused about one thing ... are you saying Cpeetz
found a King James Version?? And that he sold it?
Why weren't WE told about this?
Thank you, thank you...You guys have been great...
Hey, what is the deal with Popsike??? Did you see they want my money??? I mean, what am I supposed to do...Price things on my own???
No, really...You guys are great.
We have been prone to calling these "Mid-majors" around Chicago.
Keep it up brother you be opening for this guy before you know it!
I don't see what the big deal is here.
Go to the label discographies at Both Sides Now.com. For every title you know, there's gonna be three you never heard of where the label gambled and lost. That's just the way of the business. Just because it came out on some major like Capitol or CBS doesn't mean it's gonna grow on trees. If it didn't sell, doggone right it's gonna be scarce. Just because albums by the Steve Miller Band are all over the place doesn't mean that Gandalf is gonna follow.
Definitely scarce, but I've always felt as though this is one of those records that has a huge price tag because of demand/quality as much as rarity.
I've never seen one either, but it's on ebay every few months. I would bet that there were at least a couple thousand of these promos pressed up, maybe more.
By the time I finished reading the "finds" post, the auction had ended!
Who is this dastardly "Cpeetz", and how does he sell records so quickly??
There is no big deal. I was just trying to get into how they become desirable later on, due mostly to collectors and record heads that re-discover them. It would be more interesting to know how many exactly there are of a certain pressing than how popular it was or wasn't when it came out. Its more of a Not knowing then what I know now kind of thing I guess? Sorry, I don't exactly know how to word my questions well I suppose. Oh well. There are several questions......they will remain unanswered.
howsit?
WLP only?
no 45s singles or the same tracks showing up on other releases?
dare i ask
is it Funky?
My secrets are my own, and I'll take them to my grave.
I have tendency to repeat myself, I'll be the first to admit it.
I'm flattered you guys follow my comings and goings so closely.
I'll say this...You can get a little hyped, and that makes it even more fun to bust your stones.
That said, it's all in the name of fun, and I love the enthusiasm. Always happy to see you bust out some new JA records.
Now. Back to taking the piss, as the Brits say.
if anybody finds this, let my girlfriend know.