EMI in particular had crazy releases in south america, africa, europe....
Yeah, I kept wanting to say La Kabala on RCA ... but then I realized I didn't know if it was "rare" in Peru or not. Maybe it sold 200,000+ ... I guess if you know these things you could add in truly obscure "major label" releases around the globe.
And I always wonder about UK pressings, why albums that were pretty popular in the UK go for huge money in original pressings. Like S.F. Sorrow or Odessey & Oracle - they weren't smash hits, but they had to have been pressed up and sold in pretty high numbers, right? Yet they are moved at the prices of much rarer albums.
Is this just supply-and-demand, or is there actually a scarcity of these titles in their original pressings?
Now, I really don't understand this one. It's a decent LP - one I'd pick up for $20 in the real world - but the actual music quality just does not justify the price. There are albums that are 2 or 3 times as rare on HSE and Creed that garner 2 or 3 times less money at auction and kick this LP's ass up and down the block. Hell, I've got singles I'd rather own. Any American that does not flip this for mid-three figures is a fool.
It's a quite a bit better than "decent" IMO, $600 worth, no way. There were a couple people who said keep it, when I found it. Maybe next time. Uh yeah right.
The recent Some Things Just Stick In Your Mind issue is really very nice, in case you hadn't already reaped the benefits of giving this to her as a gift.
A&M seems to have a knack for putting out low run classics, or new found hits that were sleepers at the time of their release. Not that A&M dominates this thread by any means but Maybe the A&R's at A&M were ahead of their time or something? I dunno.
I guess the same could be said about any of the major labels one hit (non)-wonders. It goes even further to ask whether an album's popularity at the time of its release defines its classic-ness? It seems obvious to say yes but we wouldn't even know or care about so much of it if it weren't its supposed rarity, At least for collectros. I think it can be considered rare for a lot of reasons, but mostly limited numbers and special pressings, right?
I don't see what the big deal is here.
Go to the label discographies at Both Sides Now.com. For every title you know, there's gonna be three you never heard of where the label gambled and lost. That's just the way of the business. Just because it came out on some major like Capitol or CBS doesn't mean it's gonna grow on trees. If it didn't sell, doggone right it's gonna be scarce. Just because albums by the Steve Miller Band are all over the place doesn't mean that Gandalf is gonna follow.
There is no big deal. I was just trying to get into how they become desirable later on, due mostly to collectors and record heads that re-discover them. It would be more interesting to know how many exactly there are of a certain pressing than how popular it was or wasn't when it came out. Its more of a Not knowing then what I know now kind of thing I guess? Sorry, I don't exactly know how to word my questions well I suppose. Oh well. There are several questions......they will remain unanswered.
I didn't mean that response as a slam against you or anyone, I'm really just surprised that people think certain titles will be common simply because it was on a major label. Or at least that's the way it seemed the last time this topic came up.
also, it seems like there are a lot of northern singles on majors that are rare as hell... are they considered a different type of rare, since they may have been pressed up a sizable amount, but left overseas early on?
it seems like there are a lot of northern singles on majors that are rare as hell because they didn't sell...they were probably already hard to find when the UK DJ's laid their hands on 'em, so being left overseas likely had little to do with it[/b]
Although it is important to note that some titles have benefited from being rediscovered - and thus, even though they're scarce and expensive they do exist and you can buy them. People are still dumping vinyl, even to this day.
EMI in particular had crazy releases in south america, africa, europe....
Yeah, I kept wanting to say La Kabala on RCA ... but then I realized I didn't know if it was "rare" in Peru or not. Maybe it sold 200,000+ ... I guess if you know these things you could add in truly obscure "major label" releases around the globe.
And I always wonder about UK pressings, why albums that were pretty popular in the UK go for huge money in original pressings. Like S.F. Sorrow or Odessey & Oracle - they weren't smash hits, but they had to have been pressed up and sold in pretty high numbers, right? Yet they are moved at the prices of much rarer albums.
Is this just supply-and-demand, or is there actually a scarcity of these titles in their original pressings?
Much smaller country = much smaller pressings/sales
Plus the whole "country of origin" thing among collectors worldwide
Much smaller country = much smaller pressings/sales
Right, that was why I threw 200,000 out as a high number, trying to guess what was equal to a US million seller in South America - not that I thing La Kabala was that big of a hit, but the point was, I don't know. If an album was popular throughout Peru, Venezuela, Colombia, Argentina, etc - I would have to assume there would be a high pressing.
Plus the whole "country of origin" thing among collectors worldwide
To be honest, I don't know what you are refering to.
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EMI in particular had crazy releases in south america, africa, europe....
Yeah, I kept wanting to say La Kabala on RCA ... but then
I realized I didn't know if it was "rare" in Peru or not. Maybe it
sold 200,000+ ... I guess if you know these things you could add in
truly obscure "major label" releases around the globe.
And I always wonder about UK pressings, why albums that were pretty
popular in the UK go for huge money in original pressings. Like
S.F. Sorrow or Odessey & Oracle - they weren't smash
hits, but they had to have been pressed up and sold in pretty high
numbers, right? Yet they are moved at the prices of much rarer albums.
Is this just supply-and-demand, or is there actually a scarcity of these
titles in their original pressings?
Yup, it's all gravy.
Step
your
Gospel
game
up.
The recent Some Things Just Stick In Your Mind issue is really very nice, in case you hadn't already reaped the benefits of giving this to her as a gift.
I
have
no
gospel
game.
I didn't mean that response as a slam against you or anyone, I'm really just surprised that people think certain titles will be common simply because it was on a major label. Or at least that's the way it seemed the last time this topic came up.
also, it seems like there are a lot of northern singles on majors that are rare as hell... are they considered a different type of rare, since they may have been pressed up a sizable amount, but left overseas early on?
lol.
The Rooks on Mercury
Bernie Williams on Bell
good night.
Much smaller country = much smaller pressings/sales
Plus the whole "country of origin" thing among collectors worldwide
Right, that was why I threw 200,000 out as a high number, trying
to guess what was equal to a US million seller in South America - not
that I thing La Kabala was that big of a hit, but the point was, I
don't know. If an album was popular throughout Peru, Venezuela, Colombia,
Argentina, etc - I would have to assume there would be a high pressing.
To be honest, I don't know what you are refering to.
I was talking about the UK stuff - collectors don't want original US pressings from the same year, they want the British ones...