Where does Erick Sermon fall .....

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  • no hiero in the list of over 100 producers?

  • jleejlee 1,539 Posts
    Not in the top 10 but maybe top 50.

    I'm sure you could google 50 hiphop producers.



    1. Dr. Dre
    2. DJ Premier
    3. Marley Marl
    4. The Bomb Squad
    5. Rick Rubin
    6. Timbaland
    7. Ali Shaheed Mohammed
    8. The Neptunes
    9. RZA
    10. Prince Paul

    11. Easy Moe Bee
    12. Grandmaster Flash
    13. Pete Rock
    14. Organized Noize
    15. Scott La Rock
    16. DJ Quik
    17. Kay Gee
    18. Eric B.
    19. Mannie Fresh
    20. Jermaine Dupri

    21. Wyclef Jean
    22. Puff Daddy
    23. Erick Sermon
    24. Swizz Beatz
    25. The Hitmen
    26. Howie Tee
    27. Da Beatminerz
    28. Missy Elliott
    29. The 45 King
    30. D-Nice

    31. DJ Jazzy Jeff
    32. Herbie "Luv Bug" Azor
    33. Dan the Automater
    34. Havoc
    35. Kanye West
    36. Jam Master Jay
    37. Dust Brothers
    38. ?uestlove
    39. Trakmasterz
    40. Lil Jon

    41. Afrika Bambaataa
    42. Just Blaze
    43. Clark Kent
    44. Ummah
    45. Earthtone III
    46. Rick Rock
    47. Chucky Thompson
    48. DJ Pooh
    49. Diamond D
    50. Madlib

    51. The Alchemist
    52. Large Professor
    53. Scott Storch
    54. Salaam Remi
    55. Chief Excel
    56. J-Rawls
    57. Warren G.
    58. El-P
    59. 4th Disciple
    60. Jay-Dee

    61. Andre 3000.....????
    62. Eminem
    63. Jay Biz
    64. Ski
    65. Grand Puba
    66. Battlecat
    67. Mel-Man
    68. Beats by the Pound
    69. DeVante Swing - NO
    70. KLC

    71. Shock G
    72. DJ U-Neek
    73. Jazze Pha
    74. DJ Honda
    75. Teflon
    76. Kid Capri
    77. Juicy J
    78. T-Mix
    79. Jason "Jay E" Epperson
    80. DJ Funkmaster Flex

    81. DJ Skribble
    82. Carlos Stephens
    83. Teddy Riley
    84. Mr. Cee
    85. Ant Banks
    86. DJ Clue?
    87. Ice Cube
    88. DJ Shadow
    89. Ron "Amen-Ra" Lawrence
    90. The Beatnuts

    91. Tru Master
    92. DJ Squeeky
    93. Johnny J
    94. QD III
    95. Chryskillz
    96. Mister Lawnge
    97. DJ Scratch
    98. DJ Shok
    99. Lollipop
    100. Niggaracchi

  • deejdeej 5,125 Posts
    erick sermon is classic. he stayed classic too, w/ a lower profile. his shit on blackout to his one-off singles like 'music' and 'restless,' that epmd comeback album w/ 'da joint' was hot, to his tracks for boyz n da hood....

    and epmd beats have aged real well

  • no hiero in the list of over 100 producers?



    Superfluous question mark, 10 yard penalty.

  • CosmoCosmo 9,768 Posts
    no hiero in the list of over 100 producers?



    Superfluous question mark, 10 yard penalty.


  • DJ_EnkiDJ_Enki 6,473 Posts

    and epmd beats have aged real well

    Absolutely. And cosignature on "So Whatcha Saying" being one of the greatest hip-hop beats ever. Personally, I don't put Erick in the top 10, but he's easily in the top 20.

  • nzshadownzshadow 5,518 Posts
    IMO Erick Sermon doesn't get the credit he deserves...especially when craftiness and innovation aren't always the primary factors to consider when judging a quality producer. Look at jam-ability alone and the Green Eyed Bandit has got to be ranked among the best to ever do it.

    It seems I agree with Harvey more and more these days.

    No shit.

    I fuckin love E Double, now i know im not as versed in HipHop as some of you heavyweights, but god damn Erick Sermon made some Frickin' classic beats.

    EPMD and after.

    How can you front on E?

  • "you're gellin me more than n*ggas at PMD shows be yellin for E..."

    always loved that line.

  • no Jake One[/b] in the list of over 100 producers?

    for shame

  • no Jake One[/b] in the list of over 100 producers?

    for shame

    lol.

    Sermon is probably top 20 for me. He had his own sound (pre dilla brought the zapp clap to rap) and he produced like 8 really dope albums damn near by himself. 90+ off of that list haven't done that. Obviously the EPMD shit is sick but I always go back to "Muddy Waters" for some reason. The beats on that record are not anything next level on the technical side but shit is just funky. That whole 93-95 era he was killing it.

  • IMO Erick Sermon doesn't get the credit he deserves...especially when craftiness and innovation aren't always the primary factors to consider when judging a quality producer. Look at jam-ability alone and the Green Eyed Bandit has got to be ranked among the best to ever do it.


  • GaryGary 3,982 Posts
    Eric Sermon has made a ton of great shit. A TON!

  • DJ_EnkiDJ_Enki 6,473 Posts
    no Jake One[/b] in the list of over 100 producers?

    for shame

    I always go back to "Muddy Waters" for some reason. The beats on that record are not anything next level on the technical side but shit is just funky.

    Being a bassline-oriented dude myself, I really appreciate how funky that album is. It's muddy (har!) in all the right ways.

  • LamontLamont 1,089 Posts
    Better replace Diamond with the entire DITC; can't forget Finesse, Buckwild & Show.

  • While we're talking about Erick Sermon, i just want to mention his 12" 'Music' which used Marvin Gaye (unreleased master tapes if i remember right?)..... an incredible track, i need that 12" can anyone help me?


  • I put E in the top 10 for sure.

  • E is absolutely one of my favorites. Top ten for me, but let's not downplay P.

    He was responsible for a large quantity of EPMD beats and is no slouch himself.

  • LuminLumin 807 Posts
    I put E in the top 10 for sure.

    i was going to say the same thing
    dude has had a big influence on the producers that we know and love
    plus like jake said, he produced a gang of classic albums in that early to mid 90s era. i was feelin el nino as well.
    dude knows how to put together an entire album, not just two hot singles for the club or whatever.
    and he did bring the zapp clap to rap before dre and dilla

  • deejdeej 5,125 Posts
    While we're talking about Erick Sermon, i just want to mention his 12" 'Music' which used Marvin Gaye (unreleased master tapes if i remember right?)..... an incredible track, i need that 12" can anyone help me?

    see there's this thing called ebay ....


    u are right tho, its an amazing amazing cut

  • MjukisMjukis 1,675 Posts
    7. Ali Shaheed Mohammed
    105. Q-Tip

    Didn't Q-Tip do a lot of Tribes beats though?

  • JuniorJunior 4,853 Posts
    Not in the top 10 but maybe top 50.

    I doubt you could name 50 hiphop producers.



    1. Dr. Dre
    2. DJ Premier
    3. Marley Marl
    4. The Bomb Squad
    5. Rick Rubin
    6. Timbaland
    7. Ali Shaheed Mohammed
    8. The Neptunes
    9. RZA
    10. Prince Paul

    11. Easy Moe Bee
    12. Grandmaster Flash
    13. Pete Rock
    14. Organized Noize
    15. Scott La Rock
    16. DJ Quik
    17. Kay Gee
    18. Eric B.
    19. Mannie Fresh
    20. Jermaine Dupri

    21. Wyclef Jean
    22. Puff Daddy
    23. Erick Sermon
    24. Swizz Beatz
    25. The Hitmen
    26. Howie Tee
    27. Da Beatminerz
    28. Missy Elliott
    29. The 45 King
    30. D-Nice

    31. DJ Jazzy Jeff
    32. Herbie "Luv Bug" Azor
    33. Dan the Automater
    34. Havoc
    35. Kanye West
    36. Jam Master Jay
    37. Dust Brothers
    38. ?uestlove
    39. Trakmasterz
    40. Lil Jon

    41. Afrika Bambaataa
    42. Just Blaze
    43. Clark Kent
    44. Ummah
    45. Earthtone III
    46. Rick Rock
    47. Chucky Thompson
    48. DJ Pooh
    49. Diamond D
    50. Madlib

    51. The Alchemist
    52. Large Professor
    53. Scott Storch
    54. Salaam Remi
    55. Chief Excel
    56. J-Rawls
    57. Warren G.
    58. El-P
    59. 4th Disciple
    60. Jay-Dee

    61. Andre 3000.....????
    62. Eminem
    63. Jay Biz
    64. Ski
    65. Grand Puba
    66. Battlecat
    67. Mel-Man
    68. Beats by the Pound
    69. DeVante Swing - NO
    70. KLC

    71. Shock G
    72. DJ U-Neek
    73. Jazze Pha
    74. DJ Honda
    75. Teflon
    76. Kid Capri
    77. Juicy J
    78. T-Mix
    79. Jason "Jay E" Epperson
    80. DJ Funkmaster Flex

    81. DJ Skribble
    82. Carlos Stephens
    83. Teddy Riley
    84. Mr. Cee
    85. Ant Banks
    86. DJ Clue?
    87. Ice Cube
    88. DJ Shadow
    89. Ron "Amen-Ra" Lawrence
    90. The Beatnuts

    91. Tru Master
    92. DJ Squeeky
    93. Johnny J
    94. QD III
    95. Chryskillz
    96. Mister Lawnge
    97. DJ Scratch
    98. DJ Shok
    99. Lollipop
    100. Niggaracchi

    It's good to see Wyclef Jean finally being recognised as a superior producer to Da Beatminerz, Kanye, Just Blaze, The Beatnuts, Jay Dee, Large Professor, Diamon D..........

    Edit: I see that Digital Dream Door's original list was based on the wishy washy criteria "innovation, popularity, creativity, and influence" so I guess that list makes slightly more sense if looked at on popularity alone. Still amusingly shit though.

  • GambleGamble 844 Posts
    Hes kind of a top ten dude.

  • DocMcCoyDocMcCoy "Go and laugh in your own country!" 5,917 Posts
    in the pantheon of elite hip-hop producers?

    Is the green-eyed bandit up there with the gods Primo and Pete Rock?

    Or is he mediocre at best?

    I know he overutilizes Zapp and funk samples, but "Crossover" and Redman's "Time 4 Sum Akshun" are classic singles.

    Underrated. Perhaps not a game-changer in terms of technique and sound, but he's quietly and consistently done good, and sometimes surprising, work down the years.

  • HAZHAZ 3,376 Posts
    One of the best. Top 10.


  • 20. Jermaine Dupri
    21. Wyclef Jean
    22. Puff Daddy

    I'm not a big hip hop specialist, they probably did a couple of nice beats during the 90s...

    But what an awful trio if you think of the last ten years..



    I feel bad for the 80 others behind.

  • HAZHAZ 3,376 Posts
    Rick Rock at 46 & Large Pro at 52??????

  • magneticmagnetic 2,678 Posts
    DJ Muggs isn't on your list Batmon

    Here's my top 5
    1.Pete Rock
    2.Eric Sermon
    3.Rza
    4.Muggs
    5.Premo



  • Edit: I see that Digital Dream Door's original list was based on the wishy washy criteria "innovation, popularity, creativity, and influence" so I guess that list makes slightly more sense if looked at on popularity alone. Still amusingly shit though.




    so wait -- these actually represent an order of best to least good? man I thought this was just a stream of conciousness list of producers. if this really represents somebody's sober, reasoned list of producers from best to least good, then...fuck I don't even know where to begin with how wrong this is.

  • ReynaldoReynaldo 6,054 Posts
    1. DJ Shadow

  • deejdeej 5,125 Posts
    dj skribble???
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