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Where does Erick Sermon fall .....

phongonephongone 1,652 Posts
edited November 2007 in Strut Central
in the pantheon of elite hip-hop producers? Is the green-eyed bandit up there with the gods Primo and Pete Rock?Or is he mediocre at best?I know he overutilizes Zapp and funk samples, but "Crossover" and Redman's "Time 4 Sum Akshun" are classic singles.
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  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    Not in the top 10 but maybe top 50.
  • djkingottodjkingotto 1,704 Posts
    i wouldn't put him on the same level with premo and all them but dude has classics for days and is a great producer in his own right. maybe one notch down from the greatest of the greats?
  • Controller_7Controller_7 4,052 Posts
    the title of this thread is somewhat ironically worded if you believe the rumors of his days of depression.

    I think he's a great producer and has more than his fair share of hits/classics, but maybe his over-use of things tainted his overall rep.
  • phongonephongone 1,652 Posts
    Not in the top 10 but maybe top 50.

    I doubt you could name 50 hiphop producers.
  • DJBombjackDJBombjack Miami 1,665 Posts
    Whilst as a producer I don't see him as top 10, So Watcha Sayin' is one of the 10 greatest hip hop beats ever.


    Well, at least in my humble opinion.
  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts


    Id say his influence is equal to his output.
  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    Not in the top 10 but maybe top 50.

    I doubt you could name 50 hiphop producers.



    1. Dr. Dre
    2. DJ Premier
    3. Marley Marl
    4. The Bomb Squad
    5. Rick Rubin
    6. Timbaland
    7. Ali Shaheed Mohammed
    8. The Neptunes
    9. RZA
    10. Prince Paul

    11. Easy Moe Bee
    12. Grandmaster Flash
    13. Pete Rock
    14. Organized Noize
    15. Scott La Rock
    16. DJ Quik
    17. Kay Gee
    18. Eric B.
    19. Mannie Fresh
    20. Jermaine Dupri

    21. Wyclef Jean
    22. Puff Daddy
    23. Erick Sermon
    24. Swizz Beatz
    25. The Hitmen
    26. Howie Tee
    27. Da Beatminerz
    28. Missy Elliott
    29. The 45 King
    30. D-Nice

    31. DJ Jazzy Jeff
    32. Herbie "Luv Bug" Azor
    33. Dan the Automater
    34. Havoc
    35. Kanye West
    36. Jam Master Jay
    37. Dust Brothers
    38. ?uestlove
    39. Trakmasterz
    40. Lil Jon

    41. Afrika Bambaataa
    42. Just Blaze
    43. Clark Kent
    44. Ummah
    45. Earthtone III
    46. Rick Rock
    47. Chucky Thompson
    48. DJ Pooh
    49. Diamond D
    50. Madlib

    51. The Alchemist
    52. Large Professor
    53. Scott Storch
    54. Salaam Remi
    55. Chief Excel
    56. J-Rawls
    57. Warren G.
    58. El-P
    59. 4th Disciple
    60. Jay-Dee

    61. Andre 3000.....????
    62. Eminem
    63. Jay Biz
    64. Ski
    65. Grand Puba
    66. Battlecat
    67. Mel-Man
    68. Beats by the Pound
    69. DeVante Swing - NO
    70. KLC

    71. Shock G
    72. DJ U-Neek
    73. Jazze Pha
    74. DJ Honda
    75. Teflon
    76. Kid Capri
    77. Juicy J
    78. T-Mix
    79. Jason "Jay E" Epperson
    80. DJ Funkmaster Flex

    81. DJ Skribble
    82. Carlos Stephens
    83. Teddy Riley
    84. Mr. Cee
    85. Ant Banks
    86. DJ Clue?
    87. Ice Cube
    88. DJ Shadow
    89. Ron "Amen-Ra" Lawrence
    90. The Beatnuts

    91. Tru Master
    92. DJ Squeeky
    93. Johnny J
    94. QD III
    95. Chryskillz
    96. Mister Lawnge
    97. DJ Scratch
    98. DJ Shok
    99. Lollipop
    100. Niggaracchi
  • nzshadownzshadow 5,526 Posts
    i would have loved to have seen you franticly typing away, reading liner notes, debating the top 10...

    good work sir.
  • street_muzikstreet_muzik 3,919 Posts
    Not in the top 10 but maybe top 50.

    I doubt you could name 50 hiphop producers.



    1. Dr. Dre
    2. DJ Premier
    3. Marley Marl
    4. The Bomb Squad
    5. Rick Rubin
    6. Timbaland
    7. Ali Shaheed Mohammed
    8. The Neptunes
    9. RZA
    10. Prince Paul

    11. Easy Moe Bee
    12. Grandmaster Flash
    13. Pete Rock
    14. Organized Noize
    15. Scott La Rock
    16. DJ Quik
    17. Kay Gee
    18. Eric B.
    19. Mannie Fresh
    20. Jermaine Dupri

    21. Wyclef Jean
    22. Puff Daddy
    23. Erick Sermon
    24. Swizz Beatz
    25. The Hitmen
    26. Howie Tee
    27. Da Beatminerz
    28. Missy Elliott
    29. The 45 King
    30. D-Nice

    31. DJ Jazzy Jeff
    32. Herbie "Luv Bug" Azor
    33. Dan the Automater
    34. Havoc
    35. Kanye West
    36. Jam Master Jay
    37. Dust Brothers
    38. ?uestlove
    39. Trakmasterz
    40. Lil Jon

    41. Afrika Bambaataa
    42. Just Blaze
    43. Clark Kent
    44. Ummah
    45. Earthtone III
    46. Rick Rock
    47. Chucky Thompson
    48. DJ Pooh
    49. Diamond D
    50. Madlib

    51. The Alchemist
    52. Large Professor
    53. Scott Storch
    54. Salaam Remi
    55. Chief Excel
    56. J-Rawls
    57. Warren G.
    58. El-P
    59. 4th Disciple
    60. Jay-Dee

    61. Andre 3000.....????
    62. Eminem
    63. Jay Biz
    64. Ski
    65. Grand Puba
    66. Battlecat
    67. Mel-Man
    68. Beats by the Pound
    69. DeVante Swing - NO
    70. KLC

    71. Shock G
    72. DJ U-Neek
    73. Jazze Pha
    74. DJ Honda
    75. Teflon
    76. Kid Capri
    77. Juicy J
    78. T-Mix
    79. Jason "Jay E" Epperson
    80. DJ Funkmaster Flex

    81. DJ Skribble
    82. Carlos Stephens
    83. Teddy Riley
    84. Mr. Cee
    85. Ant Banks
    86. DJ Clue?
    87. Ice Cube
    88. DJ Shadow
    89. Ron "Amen-Ra" Lawrence
    90. The Beatnuts

    91. Tru Master
    92. DJ Squeeky
    93. Johnny J
    94. QD III
    95. Chryskillz
    96. Mister Lawnge
    97. DJ Scratch
    98. DJ Shok
    99. Lollipop
    100. Niggaracchi
  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    101.Ced Gee
    102. NO I.D.
    103. Kanye West

    104.
  • nzshadownzshadow 5,526 Posts
    he's on a roll!
  • street_muzikstreet_muzik 3,919 Posts
    104. J-Swift
    105. Q-Tip
  • BsidesBsides 4,244 Posts
    Where does Erick Sermon fall .....


    Out the window? At his girlfriends house?





    .....Sorry.
  • rootlesscosmorootlesscosmo 12,848 Posts
    104. J-Swift
    105. Q-Tip

    both of these desereve to be much higher on the list (esp. J, the poor guy)..
  • Beats29Beats29 48 Posts
    number 35?

    Shit, see you made me read 'em all!!
  • BsidesBsides 4,244 Posts
    oh, and the man is legendary purely for epmd alone. Some of the hottest production ever. deal with it.
  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    105. Kutmasta Kurt
    106. Rick Rubin
    107. Eddie F
    108.
  • soulmarcosasoulmarcosa 4,296 Posts
    Not in the top 10 but maybe top 50.

    I doubt you could name 50 hiphop producers.

  • street_muzikstreet_muzik 3,919 Posts
    109. Jay-Z (Hobo)
    110. Peanut Butter Wolf
  • phongonephongone 1,652 Posts
    Not in the top 10 but maybe top 50.

    I doubt you could name 50 hiphop producers.



    You got me dude. I feel like this.

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    105. Kutmasta Kurt
    106. Rick Rubin-----------------9Th Wonder
    107. Eddie F
    108.


    111. Black Milk


    Instead of this shit becoming a brag fest, why not look at that list and see if u can place 50/35/25/15/10 dudes ahead of EEE.
  • street_muzikstreet_muzik 3,919 Posts
    I remember hearing E on the radio in SF back in '96 saying he was one of the top 3 producers ever, along with George Clinton and Dr. Dre.
  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    I remember hearing E on the radio in SF back in '96 saying he was one of the top 3 producers ever, along with George Clinton and Dr. Dre.

    That Zapp sample left a BIG ass mark in Hip Hop.
  • phongonephongone 1,652 Posts
    Remember E-Double also did this joint.




  • rootlesscosmorootlesscosmo 12,848 Posts
    I remember hearing E on the radio in SF back in '96 saying he was one of the top 3 producers ever, along with George Clinton and Dr. Dre.

    That Zapp sample left a BIG ass mark in Hip Hop.

    no doubt, but once dude starts taking the comparison out of the realm merely of hip-hop, his status is definitely dilluted CONSIDERABLY.
  • HarveyCanalHarveyCanal "a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
    IMO Erick Sermon doesn't get the credit he deserves...especially when craftiness and innovation aren't always the primary factors to consider when judging a quality producer. Look at jam-ability alone and the Green Eyed Bandit has got to be ranked among the best to ever do it.
  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    I remember hearing E on the radio in SF back in '96 saying he was one of the top 3 producers ever, along with George Clinton and Dr. Dre.

    That Zapp sample left a BIG ass mark in Hip Hop.

    no doubt, but once dude starts taking the comparison out of the realm merely of hip-hop, his status is definitely dilluted CONSIDERABLY.

    No doubt.
  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    jam-ability

    wordup



    Funny, Doesnt EPMD has more Classics than Pete Rock and CL Smooth? Yet Pete Rock is "that Dude".

    Premo's non Gangstarr stuff - No words.
  • CosmoCosmo 9,768 Posts
    I really DON'T want to be "that guy" but...


    60.[/b] Jay-Dee

    "You violating straight up and down."
  • CosmoCosmo 9,768 Posts
    IMO Erick Sermon doesn't get the credit he deserves...especially when craftiness and innovation aren't always the primary factors to consider when judging a quality producer. Look at jam-ability alone and the Green Eyed Bandit has got to be ranked among the best to ever do it.

    It seems I agree with Harvey more and more these days.
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