What you're hitting upon is one of the inconsistencies here...record stores will use eBay as a price guide to price records up EASILY...but they won't be as convinced about an LP's declining price. This, of course, sucks sacks of shit.
And this brings us back to the problem with ebay.
Yeah, I had it out with a store owner about two years ago who couldn't seem to process the fact that prices that reflect what people are willing to pay in a global marketplace really don't apply in Norcross Georgia where he'd be lucky to move the record at all. It's like the mirror image of the cheapskates Jonny was complaining about: if you're so sure that you can get $30 for it on eBay, then go on and do that and don't even bother putting it on the floor at that price.
If Record X sells for $150 in january b/c of two loonies...then promptly crashes back to $20 for the next year...the record seller using popsike.com is going to see the $150 and conveniently overlook the $20. he MAY be inclined to lower his expectations if his LP has sat on the wall for a year at $120 and no one cares. Then he may realize that the pricing may be uneralistic but for that year, the LP is effectively out of circulation since few would be willing to pay the asking price.
Big problem with popsike is that I think it only catalogs the closing prices above a certain mark, leading a bunch of litle dudes to think that they're working with major weight.
A single eBay auction certainly isn't a good indicator of price, but multiple auctions taken together are evidence of what people actually are paying for the record. What a shop asks for it doesn't establish anything unless they succeed in moving it at that price. Check popsike--six copies have sold in the past year and not one has hit a bill.
Not all of these are worth a bill, but I wouldn't be mad if I paid that...
-13th Floor Elevators-Easter Everywhere -Gwen McCrae-Melody of Life -Harlem River Drive -Alice Clark-Same -Os Mutantes-1st 3 lp's -Janko Nilovic-Rythmes Contemporains -Foghat-Same -Can-Tago Mago & Soundtracks (a bill for both...)
i think this is worth it if only for "feelin good". that track rocks my world
Yessss! That track is incredible ...
Do not sleep on "Beyond the Clouds." I don't know why people treat this LP as a one-tracker. It's not like the Blossom Dearie LP with "London in the Rain"
- whilst theres no doubt good records are beign posted up here, they're the same ones which have been discussed for eon's
- most of the records being posted up are available on reish
Three australian joints that ain't re-issued and are worth a US bill (a mere $125 Australian these days)
Arena
Sue Barker
Jazz co-op
I'd post pic's if Sheep's site was still up, but its down at the mo - I'd posit that they'd be harder to track down than a Dorothy Ashby LP for example, however you like to track
I would pay 100 for that Dorthy Ashby 'Rubaiyat' joint....
And you'd be at least $50 short...
I just got Rubaiyat on the bay yesterday for under 50 bucks in VG condition
Ha, that was you? I considered bidding, but all my other Cadet collectibles are mint, so I decided to hold out and save up. The "pops and clicks w/ surface noise" made me a bit nervous...
The seller lives around the corner from my folks. What dope records are doing in my backyard that aren't already owned by me boggles the mind.
These are the only two records I ever tried to pay $100 for:
The Osmium one went for $103, I think I bid like $92?
This one hurt, I was the high bidder for 6 days, winning at like $37 with 4 minutes left, and ended up missing out by $8:
I think the record I pay $100 for will end up being one I've never heard of, where some record store employee I know plays it for me like, "check it out, maaan..." and my face melts and my wallet leaps from my pocket, spraying plastic and paper money...
chiming in on the hip hop side of things, i think most of the classic shit are pretty much readily available on other formats and on 12" (which, as far as major labels go, are dirt cheap) and, as far as lps go, there are a ton of shitty pressings that detract from their value, plus there's less of a market/fetish for authentic originals, a lot of djs are content with reissues. here's a couple exceptions, off the top of my head:
(although this would probably pull much more than that, i haven't seen one for sale in years...)
now that i think of it, most of those $100+ rap records are NOT worth it. most of my favorite rap records are $20-50 joints. a lot of the rightfully super valuable shit (let's say an organized konfusion) has deteriorated in favor of some obscure shit that pales in quality. really only like ultramagnetic and lord finesse have held their value over the past few years.
now that i think of it, i also have a lot of $100+ rap pieces that i'm not completely in love with and should probably sell off while the market is ripe...
as for funksoulbreaksraer i'd say my big picks have already been mentioned -
meters - s/t
s.o.u.l. - what is it?
24 carat black (probably over a bill now though, no?)
headless heroes
what color is love
OSMIUM
that jb female funk - lyn & marva have been pushing the three digit mark for a minute and are absolutely worth it
Super-size YES. no Brainer here. $100 is highway robbery
Heard it and thought it blew. I'd still buy it for $50
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SOSOO YES on this one. Funny, but the producer of this record and I exchange emails in French every once in a while. I don't know why he ever wrote me.
gal - hell yes everyday people - no soulgeneration - dunno ramp - hell no nathan davis - yes lemuria - nooooo these trails - YESSSSS lafeyette - yeah suite london - yeah the first roy ayers - yeaaaaaaaaaah les stance de sophies - yes huntington ashram monastery - yes mantlepiece - dude erasmo carlos - thats my 100 dollars gone the next time i see it
Yo, I have a trashed copy of this I got for $1.99! I didn't even know it was a c-note record, I just knew it was some Natural Four shit I had never seen, for $2.
When I looked it up on eBay I was like
It's super dope, but I can't say $100 dope. No way. Never does seem to turn up, though.
My copy is noisy as all hell, but no skips, all that $2 beatupraer goodness...
Lovelites is kinda sweet girl group soul with lots of harmony...slightly funky at times. If you really dig groups like the Emotions/Charmells/The Fuzz etc this is on hit and incredibly hard to find.
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Yeah, I had it out with a store owner about two years ago who couldn't seem to process the fact that prices that reflect what people are willing to pay in a global marketplace really don't apply in Norcross Georgia where he'd be lucky to move the record at all. It's like the mirror image of the cheapskates Jonny was complaining about: if you're so sure that you can get $30 for it on eBay, then go on and do that and don't even bother putting it on the floor at that price.
Big problem with popsike is that I think it only catalogs the closing prices above a certain mark, leading a bunch of litle dudes to think that they're working with major weight.
Some eBay prices for Rubaiyat
12/11/03 $113.50
12/11/03 $117.50
12/24/03 $109.50
4/26/04 $120 NO BIDS
6/30/04 $86
7/23/04 $88
11/22/04 $118.50
2/28/05 $79.99
5/5/05 $157.50
Not all of these are worth a bill, but I wouldn't be mad if I paid that...
-13th Floor Elevators-Easter Everywhere
-Gwen McCrae-Melody of Life
-Harlem River Drive
-Alice Clark-Same
-Os Mutantes-1st 3 lp's
-Janko Nilovic-Rythmes Contemporains
-Foghat-Same
-Can-Tago Mago & Soundtracks (a bill for both...)
Yessss! That track is incredible ...
Do not sleep on "Beyond the Clouds." I don't know why people treat this LP as a one-tracker. It's not like the Blossom Dearie LP with "London in the Rain"
No doubt - it's a great cover. QSO strikes again.
- whilst theres no doubt good records are beign posted up here, they're the same ones which have been discussed for eon's
- most of the records being posted up are available on reish
Three australian joints that ain't re-issued and are worth a US bill (a mere $125 Australian these days)
Arena
Sue Barker
Jazz co-op
I'd post pic's if Sheep's site was still up, but its down at the mo - I'd posit that they'd be harder to track down than a Dorothy Ashby LP for example, however you like to track
Ha, that was you? I considered bidding, but all my other Cadet collectibles are mint, so I decided to hold out and save up. The "pops and clicks w/ surface noise" made me a bit nervous...
The seller lives around the corner from my folks. What dope records are doing in my backyard that aren't already owned by me boggles the mind.
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The Osmium one went for $103, I think I bid like $92?
This one hurt, I was the high bidder for 6 days, winning at like $37 with 4 minutes left, and ended up missing out by $8:
I think the record I pay $100 for will end up being one I've never heard of, where some record store employee I know plays it for me like, "check it out, maaan..." and my face melts and my wallet leaps from my pocket, spraying plastic and paper money...
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
aaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy
too $ obsessed.
(although this would probably pull much more than that, i haven't seen one for sale in years...)
now that i think of it, most of those $100+ rap records are NOT worth it. most of my favorite rap records are $20-50 joints. a lot of the rightfully super valuable shit (let's say an organized konfusion) has deteriorated in favor of some obscure shit that pales in quality. really only like ultramagnetic and lord finesse have held their value over the past few years.
now that i think of it, i also have a lot of $100+ rap pieces that i'm not completely in love with and should probably sell off while the market is ripe...
as for funksoulbreaksraer i'd say my big picks have already been mentioned -
meters - s/t
s.o.u.l. - what is it?
24 carat black (probably over a bill now though, no?)
headless heroes
what color is love
OSMIUM
that jb female funk - lyn & marva have been pushing the three digit mark for a minute and are absolutely worth it
everyday people - no
soulgeneration - dunno
ramp - hell no
nathan davis - yes
lemuria - nooooo
these trails - YESSSSS
lafeyette - yeah
suite london - yeah
the first roy ayers - yeaaaaaaaaaah
les stance de sophies - yes
huntington ashram monastery - yes
mantlepiece - dude
erasmo carlos - thats my 100 dollars gone the next time i see it
(a lil over a bill
(not quite a bill but very good)
You need to let me know who you are mayne. Holler at me.
oh, and I just came up with the ultimate name for a band. i would definitely pay $100 for this if I saw it:
IRON STEEL
Yo, I have a trashed copy of this I got for $1.99!
I didn't even know it was a c-note record, I just knew it was some Natural Four shit I had never seen, for $2.
When I looked it up on eBay I was like
It's super dope, but I can't say $100 dope. No way. Never does seem to turn up, though.
My copy is noisy as all hell, but no skips, all that $2 beatupraer goodness...
Oh, hey, it's "for me" all the way...I just consider $100 some kind of holy threshold of money spent, I guess...it's a fantastic record, though.
What's the Lovelites like?
If you really dig groups like the Emotions/Charmells/The Fuzz etc this is on hit and incredibly hard to find.
I've actually never heard that one. [lil dude alert]
Soul Generation I sold for around $50-$60 last year. It's a decent record but not $100 worthy IMO.
This is at academy in brooklyn for exactly 100 dollars. I didn't get it. Get yours cause I'm too chicken.