SCIENTOLOGY

youngEINSTEIN · June 2005

any of ya'll down with this. i need to know more! stein. . .

tallbobsmoke · June 2005

Scientology is some weird stuff man. Thought reform techniques, torture, aliens, all sorts of things. L Ron Hubbard started his own Navy and created the uniforms and everything. It's called Sea Org.

I got involved in a coversation about Scientology with somebody the other day and he sent me to this page. I've been reading it for the last couple of days.

http://www.clambake.org/

The guy was a former member of the Church of Scientology and got out.

youngEINSTEIN · June 2005

word.

SoulOnIce · June 2005

Take 1/3 Charles Ponzi:[/b]

Add 1/3 Elmer Gantry:[/b]

Toss in a mix of sci-fi hoodoo and hollywood gloss:[/b]

And VOILA! You have Scientology![/b]

LaserWolf · June 2005

any of ya'll down with this. i need to know more! stein. . .

L Ron Hubbard got breaks!

It was 1978. I was in the downtown Portland Greyhound Station. The old deco one. I guess that mall is there now. About 5th and Yamhill or maybe 6th and Taylor. I was sitting there with my backpack and my guitar. This girl came up to me and started talking. She was cute. No, she was hot. I mean she was like 5 times hotter than the girls I knew. Still she had a natural hippy look to her. She asked me to play her some guitar. Now I never liked using my guitar to pick up chicks but... she was really hot. I played some guitar Corina Corina or something. She was really coming on to me. I'm like this never happens. Then I'm like why not? I'm cool, I play guitar, I'm a stud. So then she asks me if I know about Dianetics. Or maybe just scientology, I'm not sure if they had that Dianetics angle yet. Sorry, I'm not interested. She trys again. No, I have no intrest in your religion. She looks me in the eye, long and lovingly in the eye, and asks me if she can ask a personal question. Yes, please, I want to get personal with you. She looks me in the eye and asks; "Are you gay?".

Tune in next week for; "Getting picked up hitchhiking by Mormans", or "Your Jewish, that's great, I'm Morman too."

twoply · June 2005

any of ya'll down with this. i need to know more! stein. . .

L Ron Hubbard got breaks!

It was 1978. I was in the downtown Portland Greyhound Station. The old deco one. I guess that mall is there now. About 5th and Yamhill or maybe 6th and Taylor. I was sitting there with my backpack and my guitar. This girl came up to me and started talking. She was cute. No, she was hot. I mean she was like 5 times hotter than the girls I knew. Still she had a natural hippy look to her. She asked me to play her some guitar. Now I never liked using my guitar to pick up chicks but... she was really hot. I played some guitar Corina Corina or something. She was really coming on to me. I'm like this never happens. Then I'm like why not? I'm cool, I play guitar, I'm a stud. So then she asks me if I know about Dianetics. Or maybe just scientology, I'm not sure if they had that Dianetics angle yet. Sorry, I'm not interested. She trys again. No, I have no intrest in your religion. She looks me in the eye, long and lovingly in the eye, and asks me if she can ask a personal question. Yes, please, I want to get personal with you. She looks me in the eye and asks; "Are you gay?".

Tune in next week for; "Getting picked up hitchhiking by Mormans", or "Your Jewish, that's great, I'm Morman too."

Thank you for a much needed chuckle.

mylatency · June 2005

Tune in next week for; "Getting picked up hitchhiking by Mormans", or "Your Jewish, that's great, I'm Morman too."

Great story! I have tried reading Dianetics and gave up after the first few pages. Their advice to look up words you don't know is pretty cool though.

It freaked me out whenever I drove past the huge sprawling complex on Sunset Blvd. Did anyone ever go into the complex at night for fun to get "tested" ?

dsanders · June 2005

Yeah - I did. I ran out in the middle though because of a mixture of boredom and fear.

twoply · June 2005

Did anyone ever go into the complex at night for fun to get "tested" ?

Me and a few friends went in to a clinic for fun when we were in high school. All I remember is that the guy kept circling one spot on the graph (that was supposedly the results of my test, but who would know?) with his pen, saying, "This right here means that you have a lot of trouble understanding where other people are coming from." I kept responding with questions like, "What do you mean by that?" I also questioned him about whether or not my BDSM lifestyle would fit with scientological principles. He fully admitted that he didn't have an answer for that one.

SoulOnIce · June 2005

Yeah, the whole sex approach seems to be a common theme - I got rolled on while I was with a friend when we were only 15 and skipping school downtown...this dude asked us if we wanted to see a "free movie" all we needed to do was take a short test blah blah blah...so we go to the spot a block or two away, and this totally hot chick in her 30's comes out in a skimpy (but tasteful) dress and gives us this personality quiz and is fully doing some 80's movie "My Tutor" shit, letting her dress fall open to her ****** and everything, I mean I was 15 I was getting worked up watching this broad!!! So, the "free movie" turns out to be a vinegar faded 16mm print of L Ron Hubbard talking and talking and talking and me and my friend are whispering about do we think the chick will make out with us and L Ron Hubbard (on screen) starts shouting at the camera really loudly and red faced about the end of civilization, and we start laughing and laughing so hard they stop the movie and chick is not even visible anymore, just dude from the street and he's all, "maybe we need to explain to you the seriousness of this situation..." and we broke OUT. We saw that dude on that same corner ever since, I still see him down there, handing out fliers, and that shit was 20 years ago.

mylatency · June 2005

We saw that dude on that same corner ever since, I still see him down there, handing out fliers, and that shit was 20 years ago.

dayum.

That film and ish sounds hilarious. I guess that was in the days before they got a cash infusion from the Travolta and Cruise estates

SoulOnIce · June 2005

We saw that dude on that same corner ever since, I still see him down there, handing out fliers, and that shit was 20 years ago.

dayum.

I guess that was in the days before they got a cash infusion from the Travolta and Cruise estates

They're still in the same loc, they weren't ghetto, it was an expensive place to have the Center...they always have money cause that's how the shit works - you pay to ascend the pyramid, hence the Ponzi Scheme.

Cosmo · June 2005

Yeah, the whole sex approach seems to be a common theme - I got rolled on while I was with a friend when we were only 15 and skipping school downtown...this dude asked us if we wanted to see a "free movie" all we needed to do was take a short test blah blah blah...so we go to the spot a block or two away, and this totally hot chick in her 30's comes out in a skimpy (but tasteful) dress and gives us this personality quiz and is fully doing some 80's movie "My Tutor" shit, letting her dress fall open to her ****** and everything, I mean I was 15 I was getting worked up watching this broad!!! So, the "free movie" turns out to be a vinegar faded 16mm print of L Ron Hubbard talking and talking and talking and me and my friend are whispering about do we think the chick will make out with us and L Ron Hubbard (on screen) starts shouting at the camera really loudly and red faced about the end of civilization, and we start laughing and laughing so hard they stop the movie and chick is not even visible anymore, just dude from the street and he's all, "maybe we need to explain to you the seriousness of this situation..." and we broke OUT. We saw that dude on that same corner ever since, I still see him down there, handing out fliers, and that shit was 20 years ago.

She sounds real hot.

SoulOnIce · June 2005

She sounds real hot.

Yeah like some Joan Collins shit. Pencils in her hair and shit.
Eyeglasses with a chain on 'em, ya know?

Are you prepared to accept L. Ron Hubbard as your personal savior?"[/b]

parsec · June 2005

Theres 2 copies of the Apollo Stars- power of source lp up on ebay right now. Bugged out L Ron Hubbard record.

Birdman9 · June 2005

Yeah, the whole sex approach seems to be a common theme - I got rolled on while I was with a friend when we were only 15 and skipping school downtown...this dude asked us if we wanted to see a "free movie" all we needed to do was take a short test blah blah blah...so we go to the spot a block or two away, and this totally hot chick in her 30's comes out in a skimpy (but tasteful) dress and gives us this personality quiz and is fully doing some 80's movie "My Tutor" shit, letting her dress fall open to her ****** and everything, I mean I was 15 I was getting worked up watching this broad!!! So, the "free movie" turns out to be a vinegar faded 16mm print of L Ron Hubbard talking and talking and talking and me and my friend are whispering about do we think the chick will make out with us and L Ron Hubbard (on screen) starts shouting at the camera really loudly and red faced about the end of civilization, and we start laughing and laughing so hard they stop the movie and chick is not even visible anymore, just dude from the street and he's all, "maybe we need to explain to you the seriousness of this situation..." and we broke OUT. We saw that dude on that same corner ever since, I still see him down there, handing out fliers, and that shit was 20 years ago.

She sounds real hot.

This shit is some serious bunk[/b].

Whatever gets you through the day is fine, I don't care if Oscar the Grouch is your personal Lord and Saviour. PT Barnum is cackling in his grave....the human race never fails to stay the same, suckers til the end.

"There's a sucker born every minute."[/b]

"Every crowd has a silver lining.[/b]

bull_ox · June 2005

Ole Ron wanted to be really, really wealthy and really, really powerful... he realized early on that business wasn't gonna cut it... he decided that he needed to own his own country. His attempts at that got him and his followers officially banned from a few places. Next he decided that he should have his own religion. Dude is dead but those fuckers are still here causing trouble.

noz · June 2005

i am proud to say i have a degree from the same university as l. ron hubbard. (schnipper too)

i can't find the exact antecdote right now, but the story goes that improv legend del close made a five dollar bet with hubbard that he couldn't turn his science fiction writings into a profitable religon. close lost the bet.

- that dude

fhillysubtle1 · June 2005

I remember going to the "church" with some friends and watching the orientation video's narrator say the alternative to a life in scientology:

"Do you wanna live a life in shimmering, agonizing, darkness?"

The darkness is spreading!

Otis_Funkmeyer · June 2005

This is all funny and stuff, and I'm not defending scientology at all, but it sounds like you guys are making fun of the religion because it was just made up by some guy.

Like that makes it different than any other religion.

bull_ox · June 2005

This is all funny and stuff, and I'm not defending scientology at all, but it sounds like you guys are making fun of the religion because it was just made up by some guy.

Like that makes it different than any other religion.

Hey man, I'll make fun of any religion all day long...

HEY I'm the DEVIL and I've got a pointy stick which I'm going to poke you with when you're in HELL with me ahahahaha![/b]

z_illa · June 2005

this dude gives me a bad name.

Birdman9 · June 2005

This is all funny and stuff, and I'm not defending scientology at all, but it sounds like you guys are making fun of the religion because it was just made up by some guy.

Like that makes it different than any other religion.

I would defend to the death their right to practice it without oppression from the government. And you are right, ostensibly every faith started somewhere.

But the great thing about America is that I can say to a Catholic, y'know, some of your Leaders and Institutions are really behind the times, a bit archaic and sad. I can say that Christian Scientists beliefs regarding medical treatment are nuts to ME, but they are free to do whatever.

I respect anyone's right to practice, the flip is that it doesn't rule out ridicule in a discussion such as this. I think(and say) that Christians(which I identify as) have real issues and blind spots, and I don't take alleged 'Christian-bashing' personally. I think many Muslims hold certain customs and concepts dear that I find to be counter-productive to living in peace with people of other faiths. But I will say that in the case of most other Faiths, they have the benefit of hundreds or even thousands of years of tradition behind them. Ergo, there is ritual as well as reason and it has history.

Scientology is based on the teachings of ONE DUDE within the last 50 years and it's based on his SCI-FI books. BUNK![/b] You wanna worship that, wanna base your life on that, be my guest.

Otis_Funkmeyer · June 2005

This is all funny and stuff, and I'm not defending scientology at all, but it sounds like you guys are making fun of the religion because it was just made up by some guy.

Like that makes it different than any other religion.

I would defend to the death their right to practice it without oppression from the government. And you are right, ostensibly every faith started somewhere.

But the great thing about America is that I can say to a Catholic, y'know, some of your Leaders and Institutions are really behind the times, a bit archaic and sad. I can say that Christian Scientists beliefs regarding medical treatment are nuts to ME, but they are free to do whatever.

I respect anyone's right to practice, the flip is that it doesn't rule out ridicule in a discussion such as this. I think(and say) that Christians(which I identify as) have real issues and blind spots, and I don't take alleged 'Christian-bashing' personally. I think many Muslims hold certain customs and concepts dear that I find to be counter-productive to living in peace with people of other faiths. But I will say that in the case of most other Faiths, they have the benefit of hundreds or even thousands of years of tradition behind them. Ergo, there is ritual as well as reason and it has history.

Scientology is based on the teachings of ONE DUDE within the last 50 years and it's based on his SCI-FI books. BUNK![/b] You wanna worship that, wanna base your life on that, be my guest.

Ritual, history, and popularity don't make the more established religions any less "bunk".

Many religions do positive things for the less fortunate though, and I haven't heard anything about scientologists doing that.

Faith of all kinds have helped countless people get through life. I'm not against religion. A belief doesn't have to be true in order for it to give someone hope and strength.

Birdman9 · June 2005

Ritual, history, and popularity don't make the more established religions any less "bunk".

I think it gives them more credibility in society.

1000 years from now L Ron Hubbard may be a universally loved figure...glad it is not the case in my lifetime.

I do enjoy the public discourse that Tom Cruise has inflicted on us and himself though. I find it enlightening to see just how seriously people take these morning 'news' shows as the oracles of our time.

luck · June 2005

Essential reading: "The Death of a Scientologist" by Tori Marlan. First published in the Chicago Reader in 2002. Mind-blowing shit. I have a copy, but the text is far too long to post here.

Also interesting.

dsanders · June 2005

Hey...at least he produced a semi-decent fusion/funky rekkid. That's more than you can say for other religious icons.

luck · June 2005

Hey...at least he produced a semi-decent fusion/funky rekkid. That's more than you can say for other religious icons.

Ralph Carmichael is wont to have gotten down, too.

Flomotion · June 2005

Kirstie Alley, actress
Anne Archer, actress
Jennifer Aspen, actress
Jason Beghe, actor
Catherine Bell, actress
Karen Nelson Bell, producer, director and musician
Karen Black, actress (later repudiated Scientology)
Mary Bono, congresswoman
Sonny Bono, artist and congressman
William S. Burroughs, author, Beat Generation icon (later denounced Scientology)
David Campbell, musician
Nancy Cartwright, voiceover artist
Kate Ceberano, actress and musician
Erika Christensen, actress
Keith Code, racing instructor
Chick Corea, musician
Tom Cruise, actor
Dave Davies, musician
Xavier Deluc, actor
Jenna Elfman, actress, and her husband Bodhi, actor
Werner Erhard, ex-Scientologist who founded est
Michael Fairman, actor
Beck Hansen, (Beck) musician
Isaac Hayes, musician, actor
Katie Holmes, actress
Nicky Hopkins, musician
L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology
Mark Isham, musician
Terry Jastrow, TV producer and director
Jim Johnson, owner of Mr. Jim's Pizza chain
Kimberley Kates, actress
Jason Lee, actor and professional skateboarder
Geoffrey Lewis, actor
Juliette Lewis, actress
Peggy Lipton, actress
Courtney Love, musician and widow of Kurt Cobain - she credits the Scientology-associated group Narconon in the liner notes of one of her CDs[1], her spokeswoman denies her involvement in Scientology.[2].
Charles Manson, serial killer who joined Scientology in prison before starting his own cult
Christopher Masterson, actor
Danny Masterson, actor, older brother of Christopher Masterson
Lisa McPherson, died controversially while in the care of the Church of Scientology
Peter Medak, director
Van Morrison, singer, songwriter (later repudiated Scientology)
Floyd Mutrux, writer, director and producer
Haywood Nelson, actor
Judy Norton, actress and musician
Eduardo Palomo, actor, and his wife Carina, actress and musician
Jeff Pomerantz, actor
David Pomeranz, musician
Priscilla Presley, actress
Lisa Marie Presley, daughter of Elvis
Kelly Preston, actress and John Travolta's wife
Leah Remini, actress
Patrick Renna, actor
Giovanni Ribisi, actor
Marissa Ribisi, actress, wife of Beck Hansen
Michael D. Roberts, actor
Mimi Rogers, actress
Carl-W. R?rig, artist
Billy Sheehan, rock bassist
Megan Shields, physician and author
Michelle Stafford, actress
Sharon Stone, actress (reportedly now a convert to Buddhism)
Patrick Swayze, actor
Greta Van Susteren, host of On the Record with Greta Van Susteren on FOX TV
John Travolta, actor
Rob Thomas, musician
Patrick Warren, musician
Edgar Winter, musician
Robert Zoller, author

dsanders · June 2005

Lamont Johnson thanks L.Ron on the back of his not very good out-of-tune synth Mainstream LP (and maybe also on the other ones that I don't have)...

SouthCrackalack · June 2005

Kirstie Alley, actress
Anne Archer, actress
Jennifer Aspen, actress
Jason Beghe, actor
Catherine Bell, actress
Karen Nelson Bell, producer, director and musician
Karen Black, actress (later repudiated Scientology)
Mary Bono, congresswoman
Sonny Bono, artist and congressman
William S. Burroughs, author, Beat Generation icon (later denounced Scientology)
David Campbell, musician
Nancy Cartwright, voiceover artist
Kate Ceberano, actress and musician
Erika Christensen, actress
Keith Code, racing instructor
Chick Corea, musician
Tom Cruise, actor
Dave Davies, musician
Xavier Deluc, actor
Jenna Elfman, actress, and her husband Bodhi, actor
Werner Erhard, ex-Scientologist who founded est
Michael Fairman, actor
Beck Hansen, (Beck) musician
Isaac Hayes, musician, actor
Katie Holmes, actress
Nicky Hopkins, musician
L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology
Mark Isham, musician
Terry Jastrow, TV producer and director
Jim Johnson, owner of Mr. Jim's Pizza chain
Kimberley Kates, actress
Jason Lee, actor and professional skateboarder
Geoffrey Lewis, actor
Juliette Lewis, actress
Peggy Lipton, actress
Courtney Love, musician and widow of Kurt Cobain - she credits the Scientology-associated group Narconon in the liner notes of one of her CDs[1], her spokeswoman denies her involvement in Scientology.[2].
Charles Manson, serial killer who joined Scientology in prison before starting his own cult
Christopher Masterson, actor
Danny Masterson, actor, older brother of Christopher Masterson
Lisa McPherson, died controversially while in the care of the Church of Scientology
Peter Medak, director
Van Morrison, singer, songwriter (later repudiated Scientology)
Floyd Mutrux, writer, director and producer
Haywood Nelson, actor
Judy Norton, actress and musician
Eduardo Palomo, actor, and his wife Carina, actress and musician
Jeff Pomerantz, actor
David Pomeranz, musician
Priscilla Presley, actress
Lisa Marie Presley, daughter of Elvis
Kelly Preston, actress and John Travolta's wife
Leah Remini, actress
Patrick Renna, actor
Giovanni Ribisi, actor
Marissa Ribisi, actress, wife of Beck Hansen
Michael D. Roberts, actor
Mimi Rogers, actress
Carl-W. R?rig, artist
Billy Sheehan, rock bassist
Megan Shields, physician and author
Michelle Stafford, actress
Sharon Stone, actress (reportedly now a convert to Buddhism)
Patrick Swayze, actor
Greta Van Susteren, host of On the Record with Greta Van Susteren on FOX TV
John Travolta, actor
Rob Thomas, musician
Patrick Warren, musician
Edgar Winter, musician
Robert Zoller, author

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