I got my ass-whoopin' way back in '78 when I was in 2nd grade and wrongfully accused this black kid of stealing my LSU cap. At the time, I didn't realize why my accusation made the kid so angry.
yea, because as a 7 year old, the accused had a deep understanding of historical race issues.
i don't like to single people out or point fingers, but since you (and others) are so intent on labeling people racists at the drop of a hat, i gotta call you out HC, the joseph mccarthy of the strut.
correct me if i'm wrong, but you haven't done much reading on the Jena 6...yet from the door, you've been throwing out the "R" word to anyone who has expressed the opinion that maybe these kids actually did something criminal. i know you think you are fighting the good fight, but you're really not. you give liberals a bad name. its fairly harmless to give an opinion on a subject that you aren't too familiar with ("opinions are like assholes...."), but its quite the opposite when you take on the mccarthy role.
key words "while incarcerated" or "on parole"... that's what i was saying. once you've done your time or whatever, you can vote. but having that on your record does not take away your right.
RIF
Each state has developed its own process of restoring voting rights to ex-offenders but most of these restoration processes are so cumbersome that few ex-offenders are able to take advantage of them.
I am surprised anyone's really arguing this shit. why's that? Louisiana isn't one of the states that doesn't allow convicted felons to vote... i don't see how this isn't a valid discussion regarding this case. anyways... i was just sayin'...
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
I got my ass-whoopin' way back in '78 when I was in 2nd grade and wrongfully accused this black kid of stealing my LSU cap. At the time, I didn't realize why my accusation made the kid so angry.
yea, because as a 7 year old, the accused had a deep understanding of historical race issues.
i don't like to single people out or point fingers, but since you (and others) are so intent on labeling people racists at the drop of a hat, i gotta call you out HC, the joseph mccarthy of the strut.
correct me if i'm wrong, but you haven't done much reading on the Jena 6...yet from the door, you've been throwing out the "R" word to anyone who has expressed the opinion that maybe these kids actually did something criminal. i know you think you are fighting the good fight, but you're really not. you give liberals a bad name. its fairly harmless to give an opinion on a subject that you aren't too familiar with ("opinions are like assholes...."), but its quite the opposite when you take on the mccarthy role.
I don't have to read up on the Jena 6 situation all that much. I grew up in Louisiana and have known this shit like the back of my hand for far too long.
Of course we Southerners need people like you, who only know us through newspaper articles and television, to truly tell us what's really haappening down here.
Otherwise, from my perspective...
The black kids were obviously provoked by blatant racism...and as I previously said, if their payback against that one white kid didn't do any permanent damage...then what happened shouldn't be considered a crime AT ALL.
Aside from that, I don't know why you assume that I'm a "liberal".
For instance, I think in many ways McCarthy got a raw deal...in that almost all of the people he identified as socialists were actually socialists.
Just as I have few doubts that the people I identify as racist really are racist...
key words "while incarcerated" or "on parole"... that's what i was saying. once you've done your time or whatever, you can vote. but having that on your record does not take away your right.
RIF
Each state has developed its own process of restoring voting rights to ex-offenders but most of these restoration processes are so cumbersome that few ex-offenders are able to take advantage of them.
I am surprised anyone's really arguing this shit.
why's that? Louisiana isn't one of the states that doesn't allow convicted felons to vote... i don't see how this isn't a valid discussion regarding this case. anyways... i was just sayin'... Well first because you are in essence arguing that since there are procedures under which a convict can regain their right to vote, this is not disenfranchisement or oppressive use of the justice system. Second, the document posted itself states (as I just quoted) that in most states it is so difficult to regain the right to vote that most people never do it.
One can only imagine how hard it is in rural Louisiana for a Black felon to regain their right to vote. Your post, like many others in this thread, seem to be ignoring the reality on the ground by implying that the system will somehow work for these kids if they just keep their eye on the sparrow.
For instance, I think in many ways McCarthy got a raw deal.
Best line of this whole thread... hahaha
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
I got my ass-whoopin' way back in '78 when I was in 2nd grade and wrongfully accused this black kid of stealing my LSU cap. At the time, I didn't realize why my accusation made the kid so angry.
yea, because as a 7 year old, the accused had a deep understanding of historical race issues.
He clearly understood enough to be extremeeeeeeeeeeeely bothered that I would accuse him of something he didn't do.
For me, it had nothing to do with race. I accused him solely on the idea that he was the last person I remember seeing in the area where my cap was lost.
I surely didn't expect him to go kung fu crazy on me just for confronting him on it.
But he did...
Yet, here you are to swoop in with your entirely disconnected perspective to tell me what did indeed happen didn't actually happen.
I got my ass-whoopin' way back in '78 when I was in 2nd grade and wrongfully accused this black kid of stealing my LSU cap. At the time, I didn't realize why my accusation made the kid so angry.
yea, because as a 7 year old, the accused had a deep understanding of historical race issues.
i don't like to single people out or point fingers, but since you (and others) are so intent on labeling people racists at the drop of a hat, i gotta call you out HC, the joseph mccarthy of the strut.
correct me if i'm wrong, but you haven't done much reading on the Jena 6...yet from the door, you've been throwing out the "R" word to anyone who has expressed the opinion that maybe these kids actually did something criminal. i know you think you are fighting the good fight, but you're really not. you give liberals a bad name. its fairly harmless to give an opinion on a subject that you aren't too familiar with ("opinions are like assholes...."), but its quite the opposite when you take on the mccarthy role.
I don't have to read up on the Jena 6 situation all that much. I grew up in Louisiana and have known this shit like the back of my hand for far too long.
Of course we Southerners need people like you, who only know us through newspaper articles and television, to truly tell us what's really haappening down here.
Otherwise, from my perspective...
The black kids were obviously provoked by blatant racism...and as I previously said, if their payback against that one white kid didn't do any permanent damage...then what happened shouldn't be considered a crime AT ALL.
Aside from that, I don't know why you assume that I'm a "liberal".
For instance, I think in many ways McCarthy got a raw deal...in that almost all of the people he identified as socialists were actually socialists.
Just as I have few doubts that the people I identify as racist really are racist...
where is that "The Harvey Canal Claims another victim" picture?
I think its time
Harvey, I don't even know how to communicate with you anymore. I feel confident in saying that many may just share the same sentiment.
Your ability to call everyone and everything racist shows your inability to actually converse about anything with respect towards anybody, Maybe you shouldn't participate in these threads.
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
I got my ass-whoopin' way back in '78 when I was in 2nd grade and wrongfully accused this black kid of stealing my LSU cap. At the time, I didn't realize why my accusation made the kid so angry.
yea, because as a 7 year old, the accused had a deep understanding of historical race issues.
i don't like to single people out or point fingers, but since you (and others) are so intent on labeling people racists at the drop of a hat, i gotta call you out HC, the joseph mccarthy of the strut.
correct me if i'm wrong, but you haven't done much reading on the Jena 6...yet from the door, you've been throwing out the "R" word to anyone who has expressed the opinion that maybe these kids actually did something criminal. i know you think you are fighting the good fight, but you're really not. you give liberals a bad name. its fairly harmless to give an opinion on a subject that you aren't too familiar with ("opinions are like assholes...."), but its quite the opposite when you take on the mccarthy role.
I don't have to read up on the Jena 6 situation all that much. I grew up in Louisiana and have known this shit like the back of my hand for far too long.
Of course we Southerners need people like you, who only know us through newspaper articles and television, to truly tell us what's really haappening down here.
Otherwise, from my perspective...
The black kids were obviously provoked by blatant racism...and as I previously said, if their payback against that one white kid didn't do any permanent damage...then what happened shouldn't be considered a crime AT ALL.
Aside from that, I don't know why you assume that I'm a "liberal".
For instance, I think in many ways McCarthy got a raw deal...in that almost all of the people he identified as socialists were actually socialists.
Just as I have few doubts that the people I identify as racist really are racist...
where is that "The Harvey Canal Claims another victim" picture?
I think its time
Harvey, I don't even know how to communicate with you anymore. I feel confident in saying that many may just share the same sentiment.
Your ability to call everyone and everything racist shows your inability to actually converse about anything with respect towards anybody, Maybe you shouldn't participate in these threads.
For someone who is so quick to label people as anti-Semitic, you sure are trying hard to make it seem like labeling someone as racist against blacks is some crime against nature.
Harvey, I don't even know how to communicate with you anymore. I feel confident in saying that many may just share the same sentiment.
Your ability to call everyone and everything racist shows your inability to actually converse about anything with respect towards anybody, Maybe you shouldn't participate in these threads.
Funny, I feel the exact same way about you (except in reverse) and several other obvious voices in this thread. "Racism" for so many of you is just when people call someone the "n word" or really really hate a race of people. Any other instance that might have a nod of nuance to it is repeatedly given the "THAT'S NOT RACIST" treatment. These threads are parodies of themselves at this point.
These threads are parodies of themselves at this point.
-e
as are your posts. So much so that you have your own graemlin.
But in all seriousness why participate in any type of discussion when you are so wrapped up in your own ideas that you are unwilling to listen to someone else?
I've read through this thread asked questions, stated opinions, been corrected and re-asked questions when I didn't fully understand.
I'm not trying to turn this into the "me" show. I'm trying to get the best understanding I can of this situation
Guzzo, havn't you been oppressed on this site enough by now? Isn't it time for you to run along?
Is that Kimberly!?
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
But in all seriousness why participate in any type of discussion when you are so wrapped up in your own ideas that you are unwilling to listen to someone else?
You are surely talking into a mirror when you ask that, ha?
But in all seriousness why participate in any type of discussion when you are so wrapped up in your own ideas that you are unwilling to listen to someone else?
You are surely talking into a mirror when you ask that, ha?
nope, I was talking to you, I can guess from your response that you wouldn't be able to actually answer the question.
Keep on professing that you don't need to know the facts about a situation before you lay your final opinion on it. It really does benefit these type of discussions
I got my ass-whoopin' way back in '78 when I was in 2nd grade and wrongfully accused this black kid of stealing my LSU cap. At the time, I didn't realize why my accusation made the kid so angry.
yea, because as a 7 year old, the accused had a deep understanding of historical race issues.
i don't like to single people out or point fingers, but since you (and others) are so intent on labeling people racists at the drop of a hat, i gotta call you out HC, the joseph mccarthy of the strut.
correct me if i'm wrong, but you haven't done much reading on the Jena 6...yet from the door, you've been throwing out the "R" word to anyone who has expressed the opinion that maybe these kids actually did something criminal. i know you think you are fighting the good fight, but you're really not. you give liberals a bad name. its fairly harmless to give an opinion on a subject that you aren't too familiar with ("opinions are like assholes...."), but its quite the opposite when you take on the mccarthy role.
I don't have to read up on the Jena 6 situation all that much. I grew up in Louisiana and have known this shit like the back of my hand for far too long.
Of course we Southerners need people like you, who only know us through newspaper articles and television, to truly tell us what's really haappening down here.
Otherwise, from my perspective...
The black kids were obviously provoked by blatant racism...and as I previously said, if their payback against that one white kid didn't do any permanent damage...then what happened shouldn't be considered a crime AT ALL.
Aside from that, I don't know why you assume that I'm a "liberal".
For instance, I think in many ways McCarthy got a raw deal...in that almost all of the people he identified as socialists were actually socialists.
Just as I have few doubts that the people I identify as racist really are racist...
- you don't need to know the facts of the case because you grew up in lousiana - southerners don't want northerners to read up on the facts of this case and discuss them - you don't know the facts but the black kids were "obviously" provoked by racism - you don't know much about joseph mccarthy
But in all seriousness why participate in any type of discussion when you are so wrapped up in your own ideas that you are unwilling to listen to someone else?
NOW AINT THAT THE KETTLE CALLIN THE POT ROUND AND HOT?
Walters also addressed the stress and notoriety the town has been subjected to, saying the only way he and other residents "have been able to endure the trauma that has been thrust upon us is through the prayers of the Christian people who have sent them up in this community."
He also suggested that some kind of "disaster" was averted when thousands of marchers came to Jena last week.
"I firmly believe and am confident of the fact that had it not been for the direct intervention of the Lord Jesus Christ last Thursday, a disaster would have happened," Walters said.
"The Lord Jesus Christ put his influence on those people and they responded accordingly," he said, without explaining exactly what he meant.[/b]
Soon after the district attorney spoke, a local reverend took issue with his comments. advertisement
"Obviously, we are serving two different gods here," the Rev. Donald Sidley said. "My Bible says that we should do -- we should be loving, love your neighbor as yourself.
"For him to try and separate the community like he is and then using Christ Jesus to influence the people that Jesus is working on their side, well, that's -- that's absurd. ... God is god of the human race," said Sidley, of the New Evergreen Church.
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
- you don't need to know the facts of the case because you grew up in lousiana
No, I don't need to know enough intricate detail about the case that I'm then able to come up with some shitbird technicality that would basically cosign unjust punishment levied against the black kids involved.
- southerners don't want northerners to read up on the facts of this case and discuss them
Not if you're going to read biased news stories, then present biased solutions based on those biased news stories that don't solve a friggin bit of the root problem, no.
- you don't know the facts but the black kids were "obviously" provoked by racism
Those of us who live down here indeed know the facts far better than you ever could from your newspaper stand.
But aside from that, what are you disputing within that? That the kids were instead provoked by negative images in non-boom-bap-derived rap music?
Walters also addressed the stress and notoriety the town has been subjected to, saying the only way he and other residents "have been able to endure the trauma that has been thrust upon us is through the prayers of the Christian people who have sent them up in this community."
He also suggested that some kind of "disaster" was averted when thousands of marchers came to Jena last week.
"I firmly believe and am confident of the fact that had it not been for the direct intervention of the Lord Jesus Christ last Thursday, a disaster would have happened," Walters said.
"The Lord Jesus Christ put his influence on those people and they responded accordingly," he said, without explaining exactly what he meant.[/b]
Soon after the district attorney spoke, a local reverend took issue with his comments. advertisement
"Obviously, we are serving two different gods here," the Rev. Donald Sidley said. "My Bible says that we should do -- we should be loving, love your neighbor as yourself.
"For him to try and separate the community like he is and then using Christ Jesus to influence the people that Jesus is working on their side, well, that's -- that's absurd. ... God is god of the human race," said Sidley, of the New Evergreen Church.
hooooly shit.
WE CAN'T LET THOSE NEGROS GET OUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!
At the high school I teach at we have a police officer on campus (school police, but still carries a gun and shit) and he arrests all kids who engage in fighting. Takes them to juvie and the court sorts it out. It cuts down on fights.
This thread has been about EVERYTHING but the actual issue.
It's also managed to sidestep what people believe the proper reaction should be to the crime.
I asked it a few pages back and no one answered.
I answered, suspension/expulsion from school...it was a school incident
I don't know, the schools I went to, there were a number of times the cops were brought in regarding "fights," especially 5-on-1 beatdowns. If the parent of the person beat up wants to file charges with the police, the school can't stop them - they can only tell the cops how they handled it, and it's up to the courts to settle it out.
Academia is spelled correctly there. No need for the "sic".
Sic does not only refer to spelling. It is used to indicate that any unusual or incorrect grammar, phrase or spelling within an article being quoted is from the original writer and not an error or addition within the transcription. In this case, sic was refering to Rock's spurious capitalization and quotation marks.
... and that's the last time I have your back in a fight
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yea, because as a 7 year old, the accused had a deep understanding of historical race issues.
i don't like to single people out or point fingers, but since you (and others) are so intent on labeling people racists at the drop of a hat, i gotta call you out HC, the joseph mccarthy of the strut.
correct me if i'm wrong, but you haven't done much reading on the Jena 6...yet from the door, you've been throwing out the "R" word to anyone who has expressed the opinion that maybe these kids actually did something criminal. i know you think you are fighting the good fight, but you're really not. you give liberals a bad name. its fairly harmless to give an opinion on a subject that you aren't too familiar with ("opinions are like assholes...."), but its quite the opposite when you take on the mccarthy role.
RIF
I am surprised anyone's really arguing this shit.
why's that? Louisiana isn't one of the states that doesn't allow convicted felons to vote... i don't see how this isn't a valid discussion regarding this case. anyways... i was just sayin'...
I don't have to read up on the Jena 6 situation all that much. I grew up in Louisiana and have known this shit like the back of my hand for far too long.
Of course we Southerners need people like you, who only know us through newspaper articles and television, to truly tell us what's really haappening down here.
Otherwise, from my perspective...
The black kids were obviously provoked by blatant racism...and as I previously said, if their payback against that one white kid didn't do any permanent damage...then what happened shouldn't be considered a crime AT ALL.
Aside from that, I don't know why you assume that I'm a "liberal".
For instance, I think in many ways McCarthy got a raw deal...in that almost all of the people he identified as socialists were actually socialists.
Just as I have few doubts that the people I identify as racist really are racist...
why's that? Louisiana isn't one of the states that doesn't allow convicted felons to vote... i don't see how this isn't a valid discussion regarding this case. anyways... i was just sayin'...
Well first because you are in essence arguing that since there are procedures under which a convict can regain their right to vote, this is not disenfranchisement or oppressive use of the justice system. Second, the document posted itself states (as I just quoted) that in most states it is so difficult to regain the right to vote that most people never do it.
One can only imagine how hard it is in rural Louisiana for a Black felon to regain their right to vote. Your post, like many others in this thread, seem to be ignoring the reality on the ground by implying that the system will somehow work for these kids if they just keep their eye on the sparrow.
Best line of this whole thread... hahaha
He clearly understood enough to be extremeeeeeeeeeeeely bothered that I would accuse him of something he didn't do.
For me, it had nothing to do with race. I accused him solely on the idea that he was the last person I remember seeing in the area where my cap was lost.
I surely didn't expect him to go kung fu crazy on me just for confronting him on it.
But he did...
Yet, here you are to swoop in with your entirely disconnected perspective to tell me what did indeed happen didn't actually happen.
Thanks again for your always-overbearing input.
where is that "The Harvey Canal Claims another victim" picture?
I think its time
Harvey, I don't even know how to communicate with you anymore. I feel confident in saying that many may just share the same sentiment.
Your ability to call everyone and everything racist shows your inability to actually converse about anything with respect towards anybody, Maybe you shouldn't participate in these threads.
For someone who is so quick to label people as anti-Semitic, you sure are trying hard to make it seem like labeling someone as racist against blacks is some crime against nature.
In fact...
Funny, I feel the exact same way about you (except in reverse) and several other obvious voices in this thread. "Racism" for so many of you is just when people call someone the "n word" or really really hate a race of people. Any other instance that might have a nod of nuance to it is repeatedly given the "THAT'S NOT RACIST" treatment. These threads are parodies of themselves at this point.
-e
as are your posts. So much so that you have your own graemlin.
But in all seriousness why participate in any type of discussion when you are so wrapped up in your own ideas that you are unwilling to listen to someone else?
I've read through this thread asked questions, stated opinions, been corrected and re-asked questions when I didn't fully understand.
I'm not trying to turn this into the "me" show. I'm trying to get the best understanding I can of this situation
McCarthy died a penniless alcoholic after having needlessly ruined many people's lives.
Is that Kimberly!?
You are surely talking into a mirror when you ask that, ha?
Saying tho. Put a fork in it.
nope, I was talking to you, I can guess from your response that you wouldn't be able to actually answer the question.
Keep on professing that you don't need to know the facts about a situation before you lay your final opinion on it. It really does benefit these type of discussions
- you don't need to know the facts of the case because you grew up in lousiana
- southerners don't want northerners to read up on the facts of this case and discuss them
- you don't know the facts but the black kids were "obviously" provoked by racism
- you don't know much about joseph mccarthy
NOW AINT THAT THE KETTLE CALLIN THE POT ROUND AND HOT?
Taken from CNN
Some people are color blind.
Some people are blinded by color.
No, I don't need to know enough intricate detail about the case that I'm then able to come up with some shitbird technicality that would basically cosign unjust punishment levied against the black kids involved.
Not if you're going to read biased news stories, then present biased solutions based on those biased news stories that don't solve a friggin bit of the root problem, no.
Those of us who live down here indeed know the facts far better than you ever could from your newspaper stand.
But aside from that, what are you disputing within that? That the kids were instead provoked by negative images in non-boom-bap-derived rap music?
hooooly shit.
WE CAN'T LET THOSE NEGROS GET OUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!
dude is off the deep end...scary.
At the high school I teach at we have a police officer on campus (school police, but still carries a gun and shit) and he arrests all kids who engage in fighting. Takes them to juvie and the court sorts it out. It cuts down on fights.
I don't know, the schools I went to, there were a number of
times the cops were brought in regarding "fights," especially
5-on-1 beatdowns. If the parent of the person beat up wants to
file charges with the police, the school can't stop them - they
can only tell the cops how they handled it, and it's up to the
courts to settle it out.
Sic does not only refer to spelling. It is used to indicate
that any unusual or incorrect grammar, phrase or spelling within an
article being quoted is from the original writer and not an error or
addition within the transcription. In this case, sic was refering
to Rock's spurious capitalization and quotation marks.
... and that's the last time I have your back in a fight
Yes, so I did err by using parentheses. I am obviously a racist.