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  • THEY BOOTIES IS TOUCHIN'!!!!!!



    right. both got fine asses I guess. but this is '07. lots of girls got fine asses.

    exactly. I'm tired of the nice-ass-n-legs-but-no-titties look that all these hollywood ingenues are rocking. It's about proportions people!

  • kalakala 3,361 Posts
    i liked this movie
    death proof could have used more insight into the twisted mind of stuntman mike and less chick dialouge
    machette and she wolves are godhead
    "Don't"!!!!

  • rootlesscosmorootlesscosmo 12,848 Posts
    could have used more insight

    bro if that was what you went into the movie expecting, they never had a chance.

  • The_Hook_UpThe_Hook_Up 8,182 Posts
    just got back from seeing it...a great great time, I laughed my ass off during the Machete preview and a smile didnt leave my face for the duration...all this chin-stroking hatin' on it is like beating up blind kid with asthma...its not deep movie making, just fun movie making. Two thumbs up!

  • buttonbutton 1,475 Posts
    I dunno, on the surface these movies seem like cheap mindless fun, but underneath that facade I think they are very intelligently thought out. And they are likely the most unique and interesting concepts you'll see brought to big-time cinema for some time.

  • could have used more insight

    bro if that was what you went into the movie expecting, they never had a chance.

    To be fair, the "Stuntman Mike" you excised is the context. As in, I would've preferred fifteen minutes of Kurt Russell/Stuntman Mike eating nachos in place of fifteen minutes of QT trying and largely failing to write "girl talk".

  • motown67motown67 4,513 Posts
    could have used more insight

    bro if that was what you went into the movie expecting, they never had a chance.

    To be fair, the "Stuntman Mike" you excised is the context. As in, I would've preferred fifteen minutes of Kurt Russell/Stuntman Mike eating nachos in place of fifteen minutes of QT trying and largely failing to write "girl talk".


  • adazpayadazpay 17 Posts
    Just for the record, Nerd Alerts, the cars in Death Proof:

    The first car that Kurt shows up in, running the rear tire over Vanessa Ferlito's face at the end of that half, is a 71 Chevy Nova SS. Gangster.

    The second car Kurt drives is a 68 Dodge Charger (the same as the General Lee), versus the aforementioned 70 Challenger. This schitt was a Mopar fan's wet dream ...

    Why would they use a Charger and call it a Challenger all movie? They can't be that misinformed and a Challenger can't be that hard to come by. Are you positive about that? I thought I even saw the challenger logo on the white car at one point. It just seems odd that they would call a Charger a Challenger in a movie that was all about the car. I even saw a show about the movie before I saw the movie and they talked about how hard they focused on finding the right automobiles for this flick. I wish there were pictures of the white car fro mthe movie online but I can't find any.

    again, if I was unclear: the white car that the girls were in was a Challenger. The black car Kurt Russel drove was a Charger. yum.

  • adazpayadazpay 17 Posts
    could have used more insight

    bro if that was what you went into the movie expecting, they never had a chance.

    To be fair, the "Stuntman Mike" you excised is the context. As in, I would've preferred fifteen minutes of Kurt Russell/Stuntman Mike eating nachos in place of fifteen minutes of QT trying and largely failing to write "girl talk".


    A stretch here, but yawl think that maybe tarrantino wrote the achingly torrid dialogue as a "wheat from chaff" device for the strongest to experience the gangster car chases/crashes? Cuz, seriously, that dialogue was fucking bad and, while he may or may not be a hack, he does have a few brain cells to rub together. Enough to not write such torrid dialogue, yadig?

  • jaymackjaymack 5,199 Posts
    I dunno, on the surface these movies seem like cheap mindless fun, but underneath that facade I think they are very intelligently thought out. And they are likely the most unique and interesting concepts you'll see brought to big-time cinema for some time.

    quentin?

  • motown67motown67 4,513 Posts
    could have used more insight

    bro if that was what you went into the movie expecting, they never had a chance.

    To be fair, the "Stuntman Mike" you excised is the context. As in, I would've preferred fifteen minutes of Kurt Russell/Stuntman Mike eating nachos in place of fifteen minutes of QT trying and largely failing to write "girl talk".


    A stretch here, but yawl think that maybe tarrantino wrote the achingly torrid dialogue as a "wheat from chaff" device for the strongest to experience the gangster car chases/crashes? Cuz, seriously, that dialogue was fucking bad and, while he may or may not be a hack, he does have a few brain cells to rub together. Enough to not write such torrid dialogue, yadig?

    As far as I was concerned, all the chit chat with the girls was simple eye candy and an attempt to make "witty" convo that he's been known for. Seeing as what happened to the girls however (don't want to spoil anything for people that haven't seen the flick yet) the dialogue was a complete waste of time and added nothing to the actual story.

    And shit, what would you rather have, those girls or Kurt Russell being a bad ass?!?!?!!

    I actually like both QT and Rodriguez, but was pretty disappointed with this dual release.

  • G_BalliandoG_Balliando 3,916 Posts
    Just for the record, Nerd Alerts, the cars in Death Proof:

    The first car that Kurt shows up in, running the rear tire over Vanessa Ferlito's face at the end of that half, is a 71 Chevy Nova SS. Gangster.

    The second car Kurt drives is a 68 Dodge Charger (the same as the General Lee), versus the aforementioned 70 Challenger. This schitt was a Mopar fan's wet dream ...

    Why would they use a Charger and call it a Challenger all movie? They can't be that misinformed and a Challenger can't be that hard to come by. Are you positive about that? I thought I even saw the challenger logo on the white car at one point. It just seems odd that they would call a Charger a Challenger in a movie that was all about the car. I even saw a show about the movie before I saw the movie and they talked about how hard they focused on finding the right automobiles for this flick. I wish there were pictures of the white car fro mthe movie online but I can't find any.

    No no no...The WHITE car the girls were test driving was indeed the Challenger, and he's saying that Kurt started with and WRECKED the Nova, then in the second half was rockin' the black CHARGER.

    OH. Shit, sorry, missed that. I should learn to read better. thanks. All those cars were awesome.

  • G_BalliandoG_Balliando 3,916 Posts


    As far as I was concerned, all the chit chat with the girls was simple eye candy

    I'm sayin', the girls were talking??? Haha..

  • I???m confused???

    You guys want more insight into the mind of the characters and were offended at the gore and violence.

    This was a grindhouse double feature. Its opinion if it was a good homage???..but it was a grindhouse film. These movies are slightly above porn in the dialogue department.

    Grindhouse = Guns, Girls & Gore.

    What did you guys expect???..Godfather 1 & 2?

  • catalistcatalist 1,373 Posts
    I'm tired of the nice-fake-titties-but-no-ass-n-legs[/b] look that all these hollywood ingenues are rocking.

    ass n' legs is where it's at my man

  • motown67motown67 4,513 Posts
    I???m confused???

    You guys want more insight into the mind of the characters and were offended at the gore and violence.

    This was a grindhouse double feature. Its opinion if it was a good homage???..but it was a grindhouse film. These movies are slightly above porn in the dialogue department.

    Grindhouse = Guns, Girls & Gore.

    What did you guys expect???..?[/b]

    Not to get bored at the movie theater which I found myself for long stretches in both movies.

  • I???m confused???

    You guys want more insight into the mind of the characters and were offended at the gore and violence.

    This was a grindhouse double feature. Its opinion if it was a good homage???..but it was a grindhouse film. These movies are slightly above porn in the dialogue department.

    Grindhouse = Guns, Girls & Gore.

    What did you guys expect???..?[/b]

    Not to get bored at the movie theater which I found myself for long stretches in both movies.

    Not a horror movie fan? DOn't see how anyone could claim "boring" about Planet Terror.

  • Did Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill!, I Spit On Your Grave, Gone In 60 Seconds (the H.B. Halicki version), Vampyros Lesbos, Cannibal Holocaust, Zombi 1 & 2 or Vanishing Point hold your interest?

    Have you seen these movies?

  • Did Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill!, I Spit On Your Grave, Gone In 60 Seconds (the H.B. Halicki version), Vampyros Lesbos, Cannibal Holocaust, Zombi 1 & 2 or Vanishing Point hold your interest?

    Have you seen these movies?

    Vampyros Lesbos? I love me some exploitation but that one was kind of a snoozer.

  • Birdman9Birdman9 5,417 Posts
    Did Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill!, I Spit On Your Grave, Gone In 60 Seconds (the H.B. Halicki version), Vampyros Lesbos, Cannibal Holocaust, Zombi 1 & 2 or Vanishing Point hold your interest?

    Have you seen these movies?

    Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill![/b] - Awesome, recommended to everyone with a pulse and a sense of humor.

    I Spit On Your Grave[/b]- I don't understand the appeal of this film, needlessly degrading and not my idea of fun.

    Gone In 60 Seconds (the H.B. Halicki version)[/b]- great car wrecks, excellent driving, unfortunately too often hapless storytelling/filmmaking-does noy diminish the fun, thankfully, that's how awesome the car shit is in that movie

    Vampyros Lesbos[/b]- super boring to me, but nice set pieces, hot Euro-babes (at least Soledad), nice visuals all around but the film didn't grab me at all. Not to my taste.

    Cannibal Holocaust[/b]- Can someone please explain who 'enjoys' this genre of films ('Cannibal Apocalyspse', etc etc) and why? Wait, I take that back. Please don't explain a thing, I really am not interested if this is your cup of tea, some things are best unspoken.

    Zombi 1 & 2[/b]- I assume this is the Fulchi 'Zombie' pics and not the Euro release of 'Dawn of The Dead'....fun if you are into Zombie pics, but amateur-ish when compared to Romero's originals-and-still-champs 'Dawn of the Dead' and 'Day of the Dead'...you can't improve upon some things.

    Vanishing Point[/b]-greatest car chase pic ever made or meandering faux-arthouse-existentialist 'counter-culture' cheapie hoping to cash in on stoned teen audiences? A bit of both, especially the greatest car chase part. At least the director had the skill to tell a story and the sense to make the car the star. See the original 'Gone in 60 Seconds' and tell me that it doesn't make 'Vanishing Point' look like 'Citizen Kane' by comparison.

  • Grindhouse movies kind of have a formula like porn movies.

    Shitty dialogue mixed with shitty story development in between the money shots/eye candy (Explosions, Tits, Zombie's going toe to toe with sharks, etc).

    There is not one grindhouse style movie I can totally sit all the way through. I went into the QT/RR Grindhouse fully expecting that. The money shots were worth it though.....especially Sidney Portier.

    Damn, I sound like a fan boy......I think I'll bow out of this thread right about now.

  • Birdman9Birdman9 5,417 Posts


    Damn, I sound like a fan boy......I think I'll bow out of this thread right about now.

    That has never stopped anyone in this forum before!

  • soulmarcosasoulmarcosa 4,296 Posts
    Vanishing Point[/b]-greatest car chase pic ever made

    That movie is utterly overrated IMO. Endless scenes of a car driving do not a chase movie make. Here's the real deals:

    DIRTY MARY CRAZY LARRY
    RACE WITH THE DEVIL
    SMOKEY & THE BANDIT
    CANNONBALL RUN
    MAD MAX
    ROAD WARRIOR
    ELECTRA GLIDE IN BLUE (not really a chase movie but similar in tone to VANISHING POINT, and 100 times better)


    meandering faux-arthouse-existentialist 'counter-culture' cheapie hoping to cash in on stoned teen audiences?

    "Faux-arthouse" and "cash-in" are exactly what come to mind when I've seen VANISHING POINT the two times I've viewed it. The movie does have an undeniable iconic value and Cleavon Little's character is amazing (obviously the inspiration for the DJ in THE WARRIORS), but in total VANISHING POINT always seemed like a major studio's attempt to duplicate EASY RIDER (with a car) just for a quick buck.

    Good to see Kowalski reappear in THE LIMEY, though.

  • Birdman9Birdman9 5,417 Posts
    Vanishing Point[/b]-greatest car chase pic ever made

    That movie is utterly overrated IMO. Endless scenes of a car driving do not a chase movie make. Here's the real deals:

    DIRTY MARY CRAZY LARRY
    RACE WITH THE DEVIL
    SMOKEY & THE BANDIT
    CANNONBALL RUN
    MAD MAX
    ROAD WARRIOR
    ELECTRA GLIDE IN BLUE (not really a chase movie but similar in tone to VANISHING POINT, and 100 times better)


    meandering faux-arthouse-existentialist 'counter-culture' cheapie hoping to cash in on stoned teen audiences?

    "Faux-arthouse" and "cash-in" are exactly what come to mind when I've seen VANISHING POINT the two times I've viewed it. The movie does have an undeniable iconic value and Cleavon Little's character is amazing (obviously the inspiration for the DJ in THE WARRIORS), but in total VANISHING POINT always seemed like a major studio's attempt to duplicate EASY RIDER (with a car) just for a quick buck.

    Good to see Kowalski reappear in THE LIMEY, though.

    ELECTRA GLIDE IN BLUE (not really a chase movie but similar in tone to VANISHING POINT, and 100 times better)

    Funny, because every criticism you have for Vanishing Point applies doubly so to Electraglide In Blue, IMO. Different Strokes.

    There may be better 'chases' in the films you mentioned, and granted, DIRTY MARY CRAZY LARRY is neck and neck for GOAT, I just think Vanishing Point encompasses the totality of the 'car movie' than these others you mention. And each of those other films fits comfortably in at least one established genre (DIRTY MARY CRAZY LARRY is a heist pic, Bonnie and Clyde twist,etc., RACE WITH THE DEVIL is horror/occult, SMOKEY & THE BANDIT & CANNONBALL RUN are comedies, MAD MAX & ROAD WARRIOR are sci-fi), wheras 'Vanishing Point' really becomes soley about the chase, the open road, the cars, and everything else is kind of secondary. I guess that's why I feel it gets top billing. 'Two Lane Blacktop' is right there with it in that regard, but I would put 'Electraglide in Blue' after those, personally. I never really regarded it too highly.

  • ElectrodeElectrode Los Angeles 3,085 Posts
    Death Race 2000 was really cool, too. I'm not a Roger Corman fanboy, although that guy was a on a budget.


    Cannibal Holocaust[/b]- Can someone please explain who 'enjoys' this genre of films ('Cannibal Apocalyspse', etc etc) and why? Wait, I take that back. Please don't explain a thing, I really am not interested if this is your cup of tea, some things are best unspoken.

    I agree. I saw that for the first time last year. I love a good dose of gore from the brutal, European 'cops vs. Mafia' flicks to the 80's horror, but that snuff film Salo-like bullshit that uses a weak "I'm just trying to show this is what society can do to people capable of evil" justification is real corny. I could read a historically accurate book on any given dictatorship controlled government and get the same message. I could deal with stupid or corrupt cops, morally ambiguous soldiers, pimps and other shady individuals, maybe the occational dumb innocent bystander, getting clipped in the crossfire. But scary looking sharp objects being taken to the sensitive bodily areas of women and childen? Fuck that.


  • Good to see Kowalski reappear in THE LIMEY, though.

    There's a movie you don't hear much about. I really like this one. I haven't watched it in quite some time, but was this one supposed to be a dig-up of an extinct genre, as well?

    Where has Soderbergh been?

  • Man, bring on more lists of exploitation movies.

    I dunno if I'll ever sit through "I Spit on Your Grave". My homie saw it and he said it kinda fucked w/ his head it's so brutal but for no reason, seemingly.

    I've seen "Cannibal Holocaust". It's not something to be enjoyed but endured. "They made it so I wanna see the bullshit they made" is kinda my approach. It's funny y'all bring it up actually, because I was perusing this book about cannibal movies and mythologies at HPB the other day and I actually found myself wondering "Do I need to see Cannibal Holocaust again."

    There is something exciting about watching verboten shit like that. What am I gonna see? Usually it's nothing gross or exciting or even interesting but the anticipation is the thing.

    There's a movie called "Porno Holocaust". It's a D'Amato. I'm sure it's atrocious. I'd watch it.

  • Birdman9Birdman9 5,417 Posts

    Good to see Kowalski reappear in THE LIMEY, though.

    There's a movie you don't hear much about. I really like this one. I haven't watched it in quite some time, but was this one supposed to be a dig-up of an extinct genre, as well?

    Where has Soderbergh been?

    I think he has been making endless crappy 'Ocean's 11' remakes/sequels.

    The Limey is more of a nod to the 70s film in general, I don't think it tries to explicitly mine any exploitation genres or specific type of crime story. I guess you could look at it as a sort of updating of Boorman's 'Pont Blank'. It's got a great style as a result, I think, I think it's his best film, certainly his most watchable/enjoyable in my opinion.

  • soulmarcosasoulmarcosa 4,296 Posts
    The Limey is more of a nod to the 70s film in general, I don't think it tries to explicitly mine any exploitation genres or specific type of crime story. I guess you could look at it as a sort of updating of Boorman's 'Pont Blank'. It's got a great style as a result, I think, I think it's his best film, certainly his most watchable/enjoyable in my opinion.

    I also like thinking that it shows Kowalski, Captain America, and Terence Stamp's character from POOR COW all meeting up 30 years after their last appearances.

    And to keep up our "horses for courses" thread - I think OUT OF SIGHT is Soderbergh's best.

  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    I just got back from GH as a treat for finishing up all my midterm grading (ugh). Random thoughts:

    1) Goddamn, that shit ran long.

    2) The trailers were easily one of the best parts of the experience for the simple reason that they were exactly as long as they needed to be without needing to drag shit out further. Alas, the same can't be said of of PT and DP.

    3) Personally, I thought it was a really crazy cinematic experience and I mean that mostly in a positive sense. I genuinely enjoyed the sense of play that the whole project has and even though I wish they had a bathroom break up in there

    4) Say what you will about QT's films but his taste in music is pretty fucking good. Smith? Joe Tex? Eddie Floyd? Hells yeah.

    5) Overall, I thought PT worked better if only because the pacing was good. I "get" what Tarantino was trying to do in DP but to me, it just seemed like a very strange fit to go from faux-femme melodrama chit chatter to Kurt Russell/slo-mo/vehicular homicide. Provided, that crash was but narratively, I just thought it was awkward and the dialogue - while not shitty to me - just didn't work well.

    DP didn't really get fun for me until the second chase scene, at which point, I did pause and think, "Hmm...this guy is trying to run down three stuntwomen in a muscle car. I wonder how this is going to go for him?" and it just seemed a bit ridiculous...not that I minded per se (especially when Dawson drops that foot in the end).


    6) PT was a far better homage to the '70s. DP didn't feel throwback at all. It felt like an odd QT film with some fake cigarette burns and scratches and missing reels tossed in for effect but otherwise, no one would ever confuse that film with something from the '70s.

    7) Poitier's daughter is
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