QUESTION TO MY JEWISH STRUTTER N*GGAZ
Phill_Most
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I have a dope version of "Hava Nagila" with a drumbreak and everything, and I want to possibly use it for a rap song. My question is if it would in any way be disrespicfellating to use this traditional Jewish ditty for a rap joint that may include profanity, violence, graphic sex talk, etc. Like, I know it's an old traditional song, but is it at all a religious song or anything? (probably not, but I still want to be sure no toes are stepped on.) And how about even if there wasn't any real terrible profanity in the lyrics, would it be to drop yiddish terms here and there in the verses, like saying little things like "oi vai" or "putz" or "shlimazel"? If I am a retard for even asking, plaese excuse my ignorance... I just like this beat and want to do something crazy with it. I want to call all these wack rap n*ggaz nudniks, mane! That yiddish sh*t is so dope, it's like Houston rap slang. Anyway, holla and let me know.
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the fact that you care to ask is some real standup stuff.
phil most for pope.
The real crazy shit is you're asking this 2 days before Yom Kippur - The Day Of Atonement
OH NO... damn, if I am way out of line please let me know and I will delete this schitt right away! DEFINITELY do not want anybody thinking I am on some bullschitt here. Yeah, I was thinking the music AND the slang might be overdoing it to the point of wackness, but I just love that yiddish terminology.
Naw, definitely not clowning, but I did think that some might see it that way. That's why I was asking. It's probably just to go down that path at all... not worth the controversy that it could cause. I like that damn beat, though. Damn.
There is only one yoigotbeats! 'Sup, G******?
Kufi smacking lists are one thing, but you don't want to get a yarmulka smacking list. That's
Just in case you decide to get down on the OG monotheistic tip. A few phrases, words or names that you should work on rhymes for:
Torah Portion
Seder Plate
Star of David
Menachem Begin (former Prime Minister of Israel)
Mieskeit (pron. meese-kite) (an ugly foll)
Now get to work my brother.
Yeah, I was getting ready to mention the whole Haitian / residing in the home of country music/ heavy metal fanatic connection... I didn't even know Judaism was a part of the equation! You a unique dude, G*****s.
that specific song isn't holy at all, its just kind of celabratory number, but to use Jewish slanguage and include cussing or other things of that nature while refering to Jewish culture is most defintly not a good look.
Just think how you would feel if I took a slave spiritual and used it in a song to make light of (AKA bastardize) the black plight in America.
so in summation:
the drums - use that shit
the words - use that shit
making light of a deep historical culture -
walk that thin line carefully and all will be good
But, is doing some jewish rap cool?? I dont know, maybe it is. Remember 2 live Jews?? If you need the yiddish phrases, Im a fucking lexicon of that shit.
Nah, it wouldn't be like a whole lot of that... just regular rhymes with a few little yiddishisms thrown in there. You know, like calling a muhf*cka a shtunk instead of a punk, ya know? It's all about how it's done, and not overdoing it. Now, if I go at it like MC Moisha and Easy Irving, yeah, that would definitely be real corny. It's a thin line...
best yiddish word = schmegege. it means little penis.
Tupac using Hatikvah was just wack though
I hear you... and see, that's exactly what I DON'T want it look like I'm doing. Even though that may not be my intention, somebody's probably gonna take it as disrespicfellatin'. Just like there are those who had problems with the Beastie Boys using black slang and black music when they 1st came out, and I'm pretty sure their intention was not to be disrespectful. What I'm talking about doing is pretty different IMO, but I still don't want to piss folks off. So I think I probably should just leave that idea alone.
I don't think it would offend me - if the song was called something like "Kill all Jews", that might be a different story. Its all about context. Yiddish words thrown in might be a bit played out. What rhymes well with "meshuginer" anyway?
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This dude rocked it HARD...
and there's nothin wrong with callin some folls "corny schmucks" (yiddish slang in rap = infinite potential) but breakin that out on the hava nagilah beat is not only but it'd be mad corny.
This would be really cool as a new baritone tiplove release.
Which leads me to asking if this is really any different than a white emcee sampling traditionally black music and using regional black vernacular? I think the connection could be pretty easily made between traditional African music and Soul/R&B/Funk/Blues/etc.
Which leads me to asking if this is really any different than a group of mostly white folks coming together to discuss music, a lot of which was created by people of African descent, all the while using regional black vernacular, which has only been adopted (or co-opted) by the mainstream relatively recently?
When did these boundaries become necessary? Does one not create in fear of offending? Is this really any different than creating to offend?
Too much coffee, but I really am asking because I don't understand how it's any different.
Haha! Get your analogy game up, dude--it might not be a good look, but it would not be "like" what you described.
Didn't Guzzo do this on Blind Date?
Hava Nagila is also a big joke that always incites a big groan whenever played at a bar-mitzvah, etc... Being that the most visible jews are Jerry Seinfeld, Larry David, etc.. it seems that Judaism is inextricably linked with humor in today's usa. So sampling hava nagila would probably turn out as a joke, which really isn't so bad, but I personally am tired of it.
I've got some killer eastern european yiddish records that I just have to get around to sampling, and these sound more like bhangra music than anything else so wait for that.
If you can make some money from it, I'd say go for it.