You're worrying about lawlessness when people are dying in the street? Looting isn't a disease. It's a symptom of a breakdown. Lawlessness means there is no law because civil society got the fuck out of there.
WTF are you talking about when you say "give people a taste of anarchy and they become addicted to it" ??
ok first of all tone down, no need to get all aggressive.
there is a direct correlation between lawlessness and people dying. People that could potentailly be treated are not receiving due care. When rescue/relief missions are called off due to danger in the city.....I don't know how much more clearly I can spell that out.
anarchy: mob mentality. People doing things they would never do in a normal environment. They get a rise out of this new found power and get caught up in the rush.
"Now potential stranded victims could die because rescue manpower have been diverted to contain these knuckleheads." This is also baselessly misinformed opinion on your part. People HAVE died because they were too poor to get out and the government did nothing to help them. They left it to market forces.
It's not baseless misinformed opinion.......you see people still stranded on rooftops and we're into day 4.
again, this is getting into political leanings that you have. What's done is done, let's deal w/ the current situation first before we all get into the blame game. How can we solve this crisis?
Please no finger pointing.
Well, it's a bit of the chicken and the egg, but people are going nuts because they were basically left to die. I mean really, if the government had gotten everyone out then there would be no one left to loot right? I think there is plenty of finger pointing to be done and nothing wrong with it. The President didn't end his vacation or fly over until 2 fucking days after this happened. That's a joke! He should have been back in the White House getting relief efforts together Sunday night. This whole event is sickning on so many levels. Especially after the Tsunami. There is no reason what so ever that we shouldn't have been 100% ready for this.
Also how come every news story I see its only minorities looting? I have not seen the cameras turn onto any white folks "finding" anything outside of the one AP story...
Have you noticed there are hardly any white people their at all besides cops and military? Seems all the white people got out fine. The few white people you see are really old, most likely liked alone and couldn't get out. Just the fact that all the video you see is nothing but black people should tell you a lot about this fucked up country we live in.
I can't even get started on this.............
Knew it was comming and didn't get people out in time........ Most of the people left behind are black........... The President is playing a guitar when he should be getting massive recovery on this problem........ We can ship an entire fighting force plus supplies half way around the world for months and months, but we can't get help to a massive flood in our own country. Everyone is talking about the looters and loss of businesses, but not the people that are left to fend for themselves surrounded by dead bodies and distruction.........
It's just sickning.
If the shit happened in Salt Lake City you would see mostly white people.
i just dont get it. im watching tv and i just saw the cops pull over a dude that stole a car, picked up his neighbors and his family and was trying to get the fuck out of new orleans.
i mean, is the law that important? especially right now? so now dude's in jail and his family and neighbors are sent back into the city. to starve. at what point can we abandon these laws? i saw a cop force a kid to drop a bunch of shit he had looted. the kid dropped the shit right there in the water. so now instead of having kid take that shit and quite possibly use it or sell it to feed someone, its now garbage. so is it better to just write all that shit off than have someone else take it? i mean, either way its not gonna turn a profit for the person who actually owned it. this is what disgusts me. that these stupid man made laws and property rights are still valued over actual survival. in these cases anarchy should be the absolute. fuck the law, shit is way past that at this point.
Unless it is your car or merch people are looting right? Food is one thing, twenty pairs of sneakers is entirely something different. By your rational, it is OK to jack people in their own houses and go through the pockets of floating corpses.
yes. on all accounts. believe me, if LA was in such a state i would not be concerned about my belongings. you want my car? take it. you want my records? take them too. these are just things and if you feel the need to dig through my 45s rather than get out of town, be my guest. i will not be worried about that shit anymore.
im not saying id be digging up dead bodies and stealing jewelry. but if it was cold outside, and no one was helping, im stripping dead bodies clean for clothes. no question about it.
and just to clarify, anarchy does not mean lawlessness. it means self-governing.
Thursday, September 1, 2005; Posted: 3:11 p.m. EDT (19:11 GMT)
NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- New Orleans' Charity Hospital halted efforts to evacuate its patients after it came under sniper fire, according to Dr. Tyler Curiel, who witnessed the incidents.
The attack came as New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin issued "a desperate SOS" for the thousands of people stranded in an around the city's convention center with no food or water and fading hope.
Curiel and his National Guard escorts, were returning to the hospital after dropping off patients at nearby Tulane Medical Center, when someone started shooting at their convoy of Humvees.
"We were coming in from a parking deck at Tulane Medical Center, and a guy in a white shirt started firing at us," Curiel said. "The National Guard (troops), wearing flak jackets, tried to get a bead on this guy. "
The incident happened around 11:30 a.m. (12:30 p.m. ET). About an hour later, another gunman opened fire at the back of Charity Hospital.
"We got back to Charity Hospital with with food from Tulane and we said, 'OK the snipers are behind us, let's move on,'" Curiel said. "We started loading patients (for transport) and 20 minutes later, shots rang out."
The National Guard soldiers told staff to get away from the windows, and evacuations were halted.
Charity Hospital has no electricity, no water and the only food available is couple of cans of vegetables and graham crackers.
Evacuations by boat were halted after armed looters threatened medics, and overturned one of their boats.
The sniper attacks were the latest incidents of violence that have disrupted efforts to help people in the flooded city.
Why in the fuck would you shoot at someone trying to help you or someone sick/wounded?
Honestly I hope they start blasting the motherfuckers doing this.
Also how come every news story I see its only minorities looting? I have not seen the cameras turn onto any white folks "finding" anything outside of the one AP story...
Have you noticed there are hardly any white people their at all besides cops and military? Seems all the white people got out fine. The few white people you see are really old, most likely liked alone and couldn't get out. Just the fact that all the video you see is nothing but black people should tell you a lot about this fucked up country we live in.
I can't even get started on this.............
Knew it was comming and didn't get people out in time........ Most of the people left behind are black........... The President is playing a guitar when he should be getting massive recovery on this problem........ We can ship an entire fighting force plus supplies half way around the world for months and months, but we can't get help to a massive flood in our own country. Everyone is talking about the looters and loss of businesses, but not the people that are left to fend for themselves surrounded by dead bodies and distruction.........
It's just sickning.
If the shit happened in Salt Lake City you would see mostly white people.
It's ironic you said that because some radio talk show was saying that this wouldn't b e so bad if it was in a place like Salt Lake because they are a tighter comunity and would help eachother more! But of course this was some right wing show where people were saying shooting the looter was OK!
Seriously if this happened in Salt Lake all the people left behind would be Mexican.
Your kidding yourself if you think the only reason there are a lot of black people left is because it's New Orleans. It's economic racisism plain and simple. The airlines and busing lines and city busses etc could have been getting people out of there but it wasn't "economically feasible" just like better a better levee system wasn't.
Also lets be clear too. IF you are in a city that is that devastated and you see no one helping, get no help and are left to fend for yourself... You have no idea who is good or bad or if the government is functioning. There is no power, no telephones... anything. I am not condoning the actions, but I can understand how people slip into lawlessness. And granted I know there are most likely bad eggs taking advantage of the situation whcih is sad.
Also going back to there only being black people left in the city. Sorry homie there are poor ass people of all races in NO too. Also I am sure there are some enterpriding white folks taking full advnatage of the fact they can loot... I'm not buying the media version of the events for a minute where this is concerned.
great article. If it's true these people just need to be shoot. Fucka person shooting at a rescue convoy I mean come on, there is simply no justification anyone can give for this. Also on Anarchy; some of ya'll might be for it but I'd love to see how long you'd be a fan if you were down there in it. Survival of the fitist w/ the most firepower is what it really means, what that means for pencil neck mouse jockies is death and a dick up your ass, maybe in that order maybe reversed.
The more I see of the situation in NOLA the more I empathize with these people. I have a 20 month old son. If I couldn't get him food (let alone diapers) I'd start to lose my mind. Think of what these people are seeing around them as well. Invalids dying because they can't get the care/medical supplies they need (even oxygen). They probably have no way of knowing what's happening on the outside.
Also lets be clear too. IF you are in a city that is that devastated and you see no one helping, get no help and are left to fend for yourself... You have no idea who is good or bad or if the government is functioning. There is no power, no telephones... anything. I am not condoning the actions, but I can understand how people slip into lawlessness. And granted I know there are most likely bad eggs taking advantage of the situation whcih is sad.
Also going back to there only being black people left in the city. Sorry homie there are poor ass people of all races in NO too. Also I am sure there are some enterpriding white folks taking full advnatage of the fact they can loot... I'm not buying the media version of the events for a minute where this is concerned.
Oh I agree that there are plenty of poor white people that are looting, but my general point is that the large majority of people left behind are black. I'm sure the statistics don't line up as far number of whites that live their vs number that got out compaired to blacks that lived their and got out.
ok first of all tone down, no need to get all aggressive.
I apologise for seeming aggressive. I've had a lump in my throat all day, and I'm angry, not because I think certain people/politics are to blame, but because I feel that by and large this country is fiddling while Rome burns. It's way bigger than Rep vs. Dem, but it's totally about the Haves not giving a shit about the Have Nots.
Instead of "There, but for the grace of God go I" it's all about "serves you right you dumb asses".
And it was rent day.
But for real... this country is a defacto apartheid system and people need to recognise that they have shit because others go without, or as we are seeing, they are expendable.
And contrary to what some people may think, I'm not a bleeding heart liberal, in fact people have called me a cold mofo. But I'm a righteous cold mofo.
Also on Anarchy; some of ya'll might be for it but I'd love to see how long you'd be a fan if you were down there in it. Survival of the fitist w/ the most firepower is what it really means, what that means for pencil neck mouse jockies is death and a dick up your ass, maybe in that order maybe reversed.
Dude, for real, that's called Libertarianism. And the dick up the ass is called Tennesseean Libertarianism.
Also how come every news story I see its only minorities looting? I have not seen the cameras turn onto any white folks "finding" anything outside of the one AP story...
Have you noticed there are hardly any white people their at all besides cops and military? Seems all the white people got out fine. The few white people you see are really old, most likely liked alone and couldn't get out. Just the fact that all the video you see is nothing but black people should tell you a lot about this fucked up country we live in.
I can't even get started on this.............
Knew it was comming and didn't get people out in time........ Most of the people left behind are black........... The President is playing a guitar when he should be getting massive recovery on this problem........ We can ship an entire fighting force plus supplies half way around the world for months and months, but we can't get help to a massive flood in our own country. Everyone is talking about the looters and loss of businesses, but not the people that are left to fend for themselves surrounded by dead bodies and distruction.........
It's just sickning.
If the shit happened in Salt Lake City you would see mostly white people.
It's ironic you said that because some radio talk show was saying that this wouldn't b e so bad if it was in a place like Salt Lake because they are a tighter comunity and would help eachother more! But of course this was some right wing show where people were saying shooting the looter was OK!
Seriously if this happened in Salt Lake all the people left behind would be Mexican.
Your kidding yourself if you think the only reason there are a lot of black people left is because it's New Orleans. It's economic racisism plain and simple. The airlines and busing lines and city busses etc could have been getting people out of there but it wasn't "economically feasible" just like better a better levee system wasn't.
I disagree. It is probably two parts of not having the desire to evacuate and plain out ignoring the evacuation order. I heard the Mayor of New Orleans on the news begging people to get out of the city and directing them to evacuation points before Katrina even hit. You can play the race card if you want, but I do not think it is applicable in this instance.
The more I see of the situation in NOLA the more I empathize with these people. I have a 20 month old son. If I couldn't get him food (let alone diapers) I'd start to lose my mind. Think of what these people are seeing around them as well. Invalids dying because they can't get the care/medical supplies they need (even oxygen). They probably have no way of knowing what's happening on the outside.
Yea, I don't understand why looting is an issue at all. The whole place is gone, little to none of the stuff being taken could be salvaged anyhow. Saying "we're having to waste resourses to stop looting" is backwards. The reality is resourses are being wasted to protect material possesions. Bush talking about zero tolornace is a joke, I have zero tolorance for a president who's still on vacation the day after a natural disater like this.
Having said all that, the sniper dude sould be caught and locked up. That's some nutball survivalist that just been wating for the "end of the world" so he could start popping people.
Think of what these people are seeing around them as well. Invalids dying because they can't get the care/medical supplies they need (even oxygen). They probably have no way of knowing what's happening on the outside.
Also how come every news story I see its only minorities looting? I have not seen the cameras turn onto any white folks "finding" anything outside of the one AP story...
Have you noticed there are hardly any white people their at all besides cops and military? Seems all the white people got out fine. The few white people you see are really old, most likely liked alone and couldn't get out. Just the fact that all the video you see is nothing but black people should tell you a lot about this fucked up country we live in.
I can't even get started on this.............
Knew it was comming and didn't get people out in time........ Most of the people left behind are black........... The President is playing a guitar when he should be getting massive recovery on this problem........ We can ship an entire fighting force plus supplies half way around the world for months and months, but we can't get help to a massive flood in our own country. Everyone is talking about the looters and loss of businesses, but not the people that are left to fend for themselves surrounded by dead bodies and distruction.........
It's just sickning.
If the shit happened in Salt Lake City you would see mostly white people.
It's ironic you said that because some radio talk show was saying that this wouldn't b e so bad if it was in a place like Salt Lake because they are a tighter comunity and would help eachother more! But of course this was some right wing show where people were saying shooting the looter was OK!
Seriously if this happened in Salt Lake all the people left behind would be Mexican.
Your kidding yourself if you think the only reason there are a lot of black people left is because it's New Orleans. It's economic racisism plain and simple. The airlines and busing lines and city busses etc could have been getting people out of there but it wasn't "economically feasible" just like better a better levee system wasn't.
I disagree. It is probably two parts of not having the desire to evacuate and plain out ignoring the evacuation order. I heard the Mayor of New Orleans on the news begging people to get out of the city and directing them to evacuation points before Katrina even hit. You can play the race card if you want, but I do not think it is applicable in this instance.
It's true some people did ignore the order, but it was only given 24 hours before hand. Plenty of people on the news are saying they had no way to get out and no where to go. Not everyone can buy a bus ticket and a hotel for 2 weeks you know. Black people are only about 14% of the population so how is it that they are 80% of the people left back in NO?
I disagree. It is probably two parts of not having the desire to evacuate and plain out ignoring the evacuation order. I heard the Mayor of New Orleans on the news begging people to get out of the city and directing them to evacuation points before Katrina even hit. You can play the race card if you want, but I do not think it is applicable in this instance.
Gruntgravel, we know where you stand on these issues. But..... I paid my rent today at 4pm so I know the landlord can't deposit until tomorrow when I'll have time to juggle finances enough to cover it. I have relatives to hit up for cash, but if I had to leave the city tonight, I wouldn't get far.
Race card. Pah. You know nothing about the country you live in. Either that or you are willfully ingnorant. Megadittos.
I disagree. It is probably two parts of not having the desire to evacuate and plain out ignoring the evacuation order. I heard the Mayor of New Orleans on the news begging people to get out of the city and directing them to evacuation points before Katrina even hit. You can play the race card if you want, but I do not think it is applicable in this instance.
Dude, for real, that's called Libertarianism. And the dick up the ass is called Tennesseean Libertarianism.
Dude for real, this is how anarchy plays out in practice... The strong prey on the weak. Not a pretty scene. Why do think there are no anarchy societys out there? BC it doesn't work and is self defeating instead of self sustaining. People need structure, that's why we have civilization.
it's totally about the Haves not giving a shit about the Have Nots.
I was hanging out w/ some folks last night and of course the situation in NO came up. I almost fucking lost it when this one dude boldy states "If I had something to give I would, but I still have to eat". This after he just brought a $50 sack of chronic. FUCKING LOSER!
some of ya'll are gonna hate me for saying this but a healthy person w/ water should be able to walk at least 10 to 15 miles in 24 hours. I didn't see anyone evacuating on foot did you. If this were in some other country would you? yes. Americans are lazy fucks who have be trained to wait for someone to help them. Walking is free and good for you.
some of ya'll are gonna hate me for saying this but a healthy person w/ water should be able to walk at least 10 to 15 miles in 24 hours. I didn't see anyone evacuating on foot did you. If this were in some other country would you? yes. Americans are lazy fucks who have be trained to wait for someone to help them. Walking is free and good for you.
Yea, but the distruction was over such a large area walking 10 to 15 miles wouldn't have done any good. And while I agree Americans are lazy, if a hurricane is slowly head for a major city I expect the government to pick everyone up and get them out of there. There having to do it now, wouldn't it have been smarter to do it before hand.
It would have cost less to build a better levee/draingage system when they had the chance. And it would have cost less to get everyone out of there ahead of time them to have to rescue them one by one with a helecopter now.
I disagree. It is probably two parts of not having the desire to evacuate and plain out ignoring the evacuation order. I heard the Mayor of New Orleans on the news begging people to get out of the city and directing them to evacuation points before Katrina even hit. You can play the race card if you want, but I do not think it is applicable in this instance.
Gruntgravel, we know where you stand on these issues. But..... I paid my rent today at 4pm so I know the landlord can't deposit until tomorrow when I'll have time to juggle finances enough to cover it. I have relatives to hit up for cash, but if I had to leave the city tonight, I wouldn't get far.
Race card. Pah. You know nothing about the country you live in. Either that or you are willfully ingnorant. Megadittos.
The fact that you reference Limbaugh proves you do not know shit about where I stand on issues or what my political inclinations are. I do not think blacks have cornered the market on living pay cheque to pay cheque. Megadildos
some of ya'll are gonna hate me for saying this but a healthy person w/ water should be able to walk at least 10 to 15 miles in 24 hours. I didn't see anyone evacuating on foot did you. If this were in some other country would you? yes. Americans are lazy fucks who have be trained to wait for someone to help them. Walking is free and good for you.
I think the idea of just picking up and leaving is difficult for people who have very little and are scared to leave it behind.
And physically, even more so. Picking up and walking away is not as easy for people with young children, older and/or sick family members or if they themselves are old and/or sick.
The system failed people. Sick people, old people, poor people and in this case, people of colour - are all expendable. Even those waving the flag of survival of the fittest are saying this once you get past all the rhetoric.
Anyway. I'm with Day, at this point, the bigger question is what can we do to help?
I disagree. It is probably two parts of not having the desire to evacuate and plain out ignoring the evacuation order. I heard the Mayor of New Orleans on the news begging people to get out of the city and directing them to evacuation points before Katrina even hit. You can play the race card if you want, but I do not think it is applicable in this instance.
Gruntgravel, we know where you stand on these issues. But..... I paid my rent today at 4pm so I know the landlord can't deposit until tomorrow when I'll have time to juggle finances enough to cover it. I have relatives to hit up for cash, but if I had to leave the city tonight, I wouldn't get far.
Race card. Pah. You know nothing about the country you live in. Either that or you are willfully ingnorant. Megadittos.
The fact that you reference Limbaugh proves you do not know shit about where I stand on issues or what my political inclinations are. I do not think blacks have cornered the market on living pay cheque to pay cheque. Megadildos
That's the French spelling of "check" you used there. Are you sure you're an "independent(whovotedforBush)" ???
And the "you don't know me or where I stand" indignation. Make me laugh. If you say "play the race card" your politics are of the Clearchannel variety.
Ooooh look, thousands of this nation's underclass are dying! Time to play the race card!
Not everyone can buy a bus ticket and a hotel for 2 weeks you know. Black people are only about 14% of the population so how is it that they are 80% of the people left back in NO?
I think the Black population is a lot higher than 14% in New Orleans specifically, however, although I can't state this for a cold fact. The evacuation viability has much more to do with class than race, IMO, however, the coverage of events from there to the present have been very much focused on race.
how the rest of the world evacuates an area: (granted this would have to have been in the 72 hr. period b/4 Katrina hit, during which it was widely know they were probably in for it.) American people need to take some things upon them selves and stop looking for someone else to always do it for them. What happened to the Americans of the depresion, the dust bowl, the soldiers after the civil war? Were they asking the government to come picke them up? No they picked themselves up of there asses and got home. Now americans are so used to sitting in front of the fuckin TV and being coddled at every turn that when bad shit happens they are helpless.
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Well, it's a bit of the chicken and the egg, but people are going nuts because they were basically left to die. I mean really, if the government had gotten everyone out then there would be no one left to loot right? I think there is plenty of finger pointing to be done and nothing wrong with it. The President didn't end his vacation or fly over until 2 fucking days after this happened. That's a joke! He should have been back in the White House getting relief efforts together Sunday night. This whole event is sickning on so many levels. Especially after the Tsunami. There is no reason what so ever that we shouldn't have been 100% ready for this.
If the shit happened in Salt Lake City you would see mostly white people.
yes. on all accounts. believe me, if LA was in such a state i would not be concerned about my belongings. you want my car? take it. you want my records? take them too. these are just things and if you feel the need to dig through my 45s rather than get out of town, be my guest. i will not be worried about that shit anymore.
im not saying id be digging up dead bodies and stealing jewelry. but if it was cold outside, and no one was helping, im stripping dead bodies clean for clothes. no question about it.
and just to clarify, anarchy does not mean lawlessness. it means self-governing.
New Orleans mayor issues 'desperate SOS'
Thursday, September 1, 2005; Posted: 3:11 p.m. EDT (19:11 GMT)
NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- New Orleans' Charity Hospital halted efforts to evacuate its patients after it came under sniper fire, according to Dr. Tyler Curiel, who witnessed the incidents.
The attack came as New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin issued "a desperate SOS" for the thousands of people stranded in an around the city's convention center with no food or water and fading hope.
Curiel and his National Guard escorts, were returning to the hospital after dropping off patients at nearby Tulane Medical Center, when someone started shooting at their convoy of Humvees.
"We were coming in from a parking deck at Tulane Medical Center, and a guy in a white shirt started firing at us," Curiel said. "The National Guard (troops), wearing flak jackets, tried to get a bead on this guy. "
The incident happened around 11:30 a.m. (12:30 p.m. ET). About an hour later, another gunman opened fire at the back of Charity Hospital.
"We got back to Charity Hospital with with food from Tulane and we said, 'OK the snipers are behind us, let's move on,'" Curiel said. "We started loading patients (for transport) and 20 minutes later, shots rang out."
The National Guard soldiers told staff to get away from the windows, and evacuations were halted.
Charity Hospital has no electricity, no water and the only food available is couple of cans of vegetables and graham crackers.
Evacuations by boat were halted after armed looters threatened medics, and overturned one of their boats.
The sniper attacks were the latest incidents of violence that have disrupted efforts to help people in the flooded city.
Why in the fuck would you shoot at someone trying to help you or someone sick/wounded?
Honestly I hope they start blasting the motherfuckers doing this.
It's ironic you said that because some radio talk show was saying that this wouldn't b e so bad if it was in a place like Salt Lake because they are a tighter comunity and would help eachother more! But of course this was some right wing show where people were saying shooting the looter was OK!
Seriously if this happened in Salt Lake all the people left behind would be Mexican.
Your kidding yourself if you think the only reason there are a lot of black people left is because it's New Orleans. It's economic racisism plain and simple. The airlines and busing lines and city busses etc could have been getting people out of there but it wasn't "economically feasible" just like better a better levee system wasn't.
Also going back to there only being black people left in the city. Sorry homie there are poor ass people of all races in NO too. Also I am sure there are some enterpriding white folks taking full advnatage of the fact they can loot... I'm not buying the media version of the events for a minute where this is concerned.
Oh I agree that there are plenty of poor white people that are looting, but my general point is that the large majority of people left behind are black. I'm sure the statistics don't line up as far number of whites that live their vs number that got out compaired to blacks that lived their and got out.
I apologise for seeming aggressive. I've had a lump in my throat all day, and I'm angry, not because I think certain people/politics are to blame, but because I feel that by and large this country is fiddling while Rome burns. It's way bigger than Rep vs. Dem, but it's totally about the Haves not giving a shit about the Have Nots.
Instead of "There, but for the grace of God go I" it's all about "serves you right you dumb asses".
And it was rent day.
But for real... this country is a defacto apartheid system and people need to recognise that they have shit because others go without, or as we are seeing, they are expendable.
And contrary to what some people may think, I'm not a bleeding heart liberal, in fact people have called me a cold mofo. But I'm a righteous cold mofo.
Dude, for real, that's called Libertarianism. And the dick up the ass is called Tennesseean Libertarianism.
I disagree. It is probably two parts of not having the desire to evacuate and plain out ignoring the evacuation order. I heard the Mayor of New Orleans on the news begging people to get out of the city and directing them to evacuation points before Katrina even hit. You can play the race card if you want, but I do not think it is applicable in this instance.
Yea, I don't understand why looting is an issue at all. The whole place is gone, little to none of the stuff being taken could be salvaged anyhow. Saying "we're having to waste resourses to stop looting" is backwards. The reality is resourses are being wasted to protect material possesions. Bush talking about zero tolornace is a joke, I have zero tolorance for a president who's still on vacation the day after a natural disater like this.
Having said all that, the sniper dude sould be caught and locked up. That's some nutball survivalist that just been wating for the "end of the world" so he could start popping people.
WHY AREN'T WE HELPING THESE PEOPLE?!?!?!?![/b]
that could be my son.
It's true some people did ignore the order, but it was only given 24 hours before hand. Plenty of people on the news are saying they had no way to get out and no where to go. Not everyone can buy a bus ticket and a hotel for 2 weeks you know. Black people are only about 14% of the population so how is it that they are 80% of the people left back in NO?
Gruntgravel, we know where you stand on these issues. But..... I paid my rent today at 4pm so I know the landlord can't deposit until tomorrow when I'll have time to juggle finances enough to cover it. I have relatives to hit up for cash, but if I had to leave the city tonight, I wouldn't get far.
Race card. Pah. You know nothing about the country you live in. Either that or you are willfully ingnorant. Megadittos.
have you ever been to n.o.???
french quarter doesn't count.
I was hanging out w/ some folks last night and of course the situation in NO came up. I almost fucking lost it when this one dude boldy states "If I had something to give I would, but I still have to eat". This after he just brought a $50 sack of chronic. FUCKING LOSER!
Yea, but the distruction was over such a large area walking 10 to 15 miles wouldn't have done any good. And while I agree Americans are lazy, if a hurricane is slowly head for a major city I expect the government to pick everyone up and get them out of there. There having to do it now, wouldn't it have been smarter to do it before hand.
It would have cost less to build a better levee/draingage system when they had the chance. And it would have cost less to get everyone out of there ahead of time them to have to rescue them one by one with a helecopter now.
I agree with this 100%. But it appears we live on different planets.
The fact that you reference Limbaugh proves you do not know shit about where I stand on issues or what my political inclinations are. I do not think blacks have cornered the market on living pay cheque to pay cheque. Megadildos
I think the idea of just picking up and leaving is difficult for people who have very little and are scared to leave it behind.
And physically, even more so. Picking up and walking away is not as easy for people with young children, older and/or sick family members or if they themselves are old and/or sick.
The system failed people. Sick people, old people, poor people and in this case, people of colour - are all expendable. Even those waving the flag of survival of the fittest are saying this once you get past all the rhetoric.
Anyway. I'm with Day, at this point, the bigger question is what can we do to help?
That's the French spelling of "check" you used there. Are you sure you're an "independent(whovotedforBush)" ???
And the "you don't know me or where I stand" indignation. Make me laugh. If you say "play the race card" your politics are of the Clearchannel variety.
Ooooh look, thousands of this nation's underclass are dying! Time to play the race card!
I think the Black population is a lot higher than 14% in New Orleans specifically, however, although I can't state this for a cold fact. The evacuation viability has much more to do with class than race, IMO, however, the coverage of events from there to the present have been very much focused on race.
American people need to take some things upon them selves and stop looking for someone else to always do it for them. What happened to the Americans of the depresion, the dust bowl, the soldiers after the civil war? Were they asking the government to come picke them up? No they picked themselves up of there asses and got home. Now americans are so used to sitting in front of the fuckin TV and being coddled at every turn that when bad shit happens they are helpless.