Soundgarden to me sound like an inept low rent version of Led Zep while Pearl Jam (I have to go dis-infect my hands after typing their name) would be their involuntary parody.
I'm just glad that you didn't drop the "J" song.
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
Trying to think what I was listening to at 12. It would have been 1983-1984.
Thriller
1999
Candy Girl
Electric Avenue
Combat Rock
1984
Pyromania
Shout at the Devil
Zebra
Shoot, I still ride for all of that stuff, even Zebra.
I'm sayin! 12-16 is coming of age time. For most people, that sets up their whole style/outlook for most of their 20s. And even when you "grow up" in your thirties and try to figure out what adulthood really means, that nostalgia music will never seem to get old.
Whoever said every genre has a few good years until big business comes in to capitalize on it was bang on. That time span is probably shortened to a few months today?
I was a huge fan of this band. Then again I am a sucker for Mark Lanegan's whiskey soaked, crushed gravel voice.
Back on point, I was at the Portland Underground show December 22, 1991. I don't know about the rest of the tour, but that show was amazing (aside from the annoying frat boy fueled mosh pit). Portland was on the tail end of the Gish tour and the band and audience connected and when it was all done everyone was sweat soaked and wrung out. Everyone wanted more but the band had run out of songs to play. It was a great show.
Today? I still have the fist two albums but I really haven't brought them out in a while. Are they an era defining band? Hell no. Are the deserving of the hate, Billy's pretensions aside, nope. I wouldn't kick them off the radio (or Pandora) but I wouldn't seek them out. That show though, it was a stand out for me.
I'm just stunned this band could sustain this long a conversation, both in thread length and amount of days this has dominated the board.
Indeed, this was a great thread - one that felt like it was coming to life in the crusty crowd at the Television show last week at the Cabaret Metro, a club where Smashing Pumpkins cut their teeth #fullcircle?
Incidentally, Billy Corgan has gone on to dabble in professional wrestling and runs a tea shop-cum-concert venue in a well-to-do Chicago suburb. He's like the (fellow area resident) Vince Vaughn of alt rock - his once mostly heralded early works are being re-examined in the context of his bloated present form.
ha! I just saw them this past weekend. It was a good show, but man, it's been a long time since I've been in a room with that demographic. I had to move twice to get away from 50-something blow-hards' non-stop non-clever talking. Stiffest crowd in ages, I actually forgot how lame these types of rock shows can be.
So what have we learned?
People love the music they loved when they were young.
In rock music, attitude, authenticity and angst/anger trump musicianship/songwriting.
People want other people to hate/love what they hate/love.
ha! I just saw them this past weekend. It was a good show, but man, it's been a long time since I've been in a room with that demographic. I had to move twice to get away from 50-something blow-hards' non-stop non-clever talking. Stiffest crowd in ages, I actually forgot how lame these types of rock shows can be.
I saw the Pixies a while back the crowd was very similar. One of the most annoying audiences I've ever been a party to. Some brought their 5 year olds. WTF
SP have about 10-12 songs that I find to be brilliant and timeless. The rest is forgettable. Billy seems like a dick.
Anything Vedder related can GTFOOHWTBS. I can't stand that dude.
my older sister put me onto this and other grunge era bands..ive stuck with nothing but nirvana but i remerber liking the artsyness of it
all band memebers lacked personality however
ha! I just saw them this past weekend. It was a good show, but man, it's been a long time since I've been in a room with that demographic. I had to move twice to get away from 50-something blow-hards' non-stop non-clever talking. Stiffest crowd in ages, I actually forgot how lame these types of rock shows can be.
It was the crustiest crowd, perhaps, ever for me. Crustier than a "classic" rock show. Been thinking about it and it seems as if that maybe because Television wasn't a huge chart draw that the fan base was underground and therefore stayed underground? Lots of bowl-style haircuts and at least one Superchunk T-shirt. Also, the male/female ratio was even worse than the weekly drum 'n' bass shows I used to hit up in the early 2000s. It was an odd scene. Verlaine's vocals were way down in the mix and rightly so while the current iteration of the group noodled more than I expected. I was going to take a picture of Television - Sold Out on the marquee (get it?) but was too depressed. Still glad I went! Although we passed on the afterparty in the same venue and went elsewhere.
So much hate from the pumpkin smashers... Sure Corgan's a whining weirdo but wt f, Siamese Dream sounded like nothing else when it came out and it made a heavy impression. Well recorded too. ICan't say any of their other stuff grabbed me like that one. From that era there was lot's other amazing stuff that got lot's of listens: Mogwai, Pavement, Sebadoh, Dinosaur Jr., Guided by Voices (sucked live...so drunk), Veruca Salt, Mathew Sweet.... blah blah blah guess we all dig the music of our teens as someone else already pointed out. Must have to do with our latent frontal lobe development.
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Thriller
1999
Candy Girl
Electric Avenue
Combat Rock
1984
Pyromania
Shout at the Devil
Zebra
Shoot, I still ride for all of that stuff, even Zebra.
I'm just glad that you didn't drop the "J" song.
I'm sayin! 12-16 is coming of age time. For most people, that sets up their whole style/outlook for most of their 20s. And even when you "grow up" in your thirties and try to figure out what adulthood really means, that nostalgia music will never seem to get old.
Whoever said every genre has a few good years until big business comes in to capitalize on it was bang on. That time span is probably shortened to a few months today?
On the road, my porta-potty
Even go
I make and then they takin' away
Sunday's best
Got a stain on my black dress
Yeah!
I was a huge fan of this band. Then again I am a sucker for Mark Lanegan's whiskey soaked, crushed gravel voice.
Back on point, I was at the Portland Underground show December 22, 1991. I don't know about the rest of the tour, but that show was amazing (aside from the annoying frat boy fueled mosh pit). Portland was on the tail end of the Gish tour and the band and audience connected and when it was all done everyone was sweat soaked and wrung out. Everyone wanted more but the band had run out of songs to play. It was a great show.
Today? I still have the fist two albums but I really haven't brought them out in a while. Are they an era defining band? Hell no. Are the deserving of the hate, Billy's pretensions aside, nope. I wouldn't kick them off the radio (or Pandora) but I wouldn't seek them out. That show though, it was a stand out for me.
Agree with this 100%
For that, Smashing Pumpkins was worth it.
That ol-timey parasol ur-steampunk missile-in-the-moon-guy's-eye video though, F that whole thing.
Indeed, this was a great thread - one that felt like it was coming to life in the crusty crowd at the Television show last week at the Cabaret Metro, a club where Smashing Pumpkins cut their teeth #fullcircle?
Incidentally, Billy Corgan has gone on to dabble in professional wrestling and runs a tea shop-cum-concert venue in a well-to-do Chicago suburb. He's like the (fellow area resident) Vince Vaughn of alt rock - his once mostly heralded early works are being re-examined in the context of his bloated present form.
People love the music they loved when they were young.
In rock music, attitude, authenticity and angst/anger trump musicianship/songwriting.
People want other people to hate/love what they hate/love.
all band memebers lacked personality however
and also
this
http://www.spin.com/articles/billy-corgan-siddhartha-jam-stream-eight-hour-live/
It was the crustiest crowd, perhaps, ever for me. Crustier than a "classic" rock show. Been thinking about it and it seems as if that maybe because Television wasn't a huge chart draw that the fan base was underground and therefore stayed underground? Lots of bowl-style haircuts and at least one Superchunk T-shirt. Also, the male/female ratio was even worse than the weekly drum 'n' bass shows I used to hit up in the early 2000s. It was an odd scene. Verlaine's vocals were way down in the mix and rightly so while the current iteration of the group noodled more than I expected. I was going to take a picture of Television - Sold Out on the marquee (get it?) but was too depressed. Still glad I went! Although we passed on the afterparty in the same venue and went elsewhere.