Gone to quite a number of -- and here's the term we always used -- parties. At churches, bowling alleys, factories, warehouses, funeral homes, campsites, arcades, bars, etc. I missed the real heyday of the "culture" in Chicago but in the mid- to late-1990s, there were some large-scale parties where the promoters would throw a lot of $$$ at talent, who would in turn play brand new records. And that's what I always loved about it -- the house, techno, hip-hop, drum and bass, ambient was (at the time) very forward-thinking and if not that, it was new. There is just something special about seeing a DJ such as Thomas Bangalter of Daft Punk, dressed like a regular dude, playing disco on the South Side of Chicago. And it was about the dancing -- talking jackin', couples, stepping, breaking. Good dancing. Sure there was a lot of jail-bate from the suburbs dressed in idiotic clothes, including myself, but I have great memories and I'm proud to have been part of the "scene."
BINGO
Basically anyone that thinks this amounted to a culture, or sub culture, is TRIPPING.
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I haven't read the Vice article, but there's an informative chapter in Last Night A DJ Saved My Life (Bill Brewster & Frank Broughton - essential reading btw) that covers the cultural impact of rave music in teh UK, plus numerous docs on yootoob if you want to laugh at ravers with bad haircuts gurning.
the detractors here might as well just write "disco sucks".
also, for the people talking about vegas clubs or festivals: you are probably one of the non-understaning americans that the article was directed at.
Why do we have to understand it? Why do we have to appreciate it? Why do we have to agree it is a culture? I will never grasp the "you don't like/appreciate/respect this cultivated "culture" because you are obviously ignorant" mindset. It's thousands of people taking drugs, jumping up and down, watching a dipshit on a laptop...please explain what I don't understand about this "culture". What message am I not getting? What "high art" am I not appreciating? What cultural artifacts am I not aware of?
It's thousands of people taking drugs, jumping up and down, watching a dipshit on a laptop...please explain what I don't understand about this "culture".
No one is criticising your opinions or personal taste. However, some of these opinions - as seen above - seem to be based on a misunderstanding.
Actual Rave Culture died out in the UK after the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act of 1994, so what we're talking about now is just a parody of that crossed with stadium rock event runnings.
It's thousands of people taking drugs, jumping up and down, watching a dipshit on a laptop...please explain what I don't understand about this "culture".
No one is criticising your opinions or personal taste. However, some of these opinions - as seen above - seem to be based on a misunderstanding.
It's thousands of people taking drugs, jumping up and down, watching a dipshit on a laptop...please explain what I don't understand about this "culture". What message am I not getting? What "high art" am I not appreciating? What cultural artifacts am I not aware of?
While I have zero interest in anything to do with with raves, I would point out that any form of popular music could be dismissed with this broad stroke.
And from an anthropological standpoint, it certainly qualifies as a subculture. Culture and high art are not synonymous in any way.
It's thousands of people taking drugs, jumping up and down, watching a dipshit on a laptop...please explain what I don't understand about this "culture". What message am I not getting? What "high art" am I not appreciating? What cultural artifacts am I not aware of?
While I have zero interest in anything to do with with raves, I would point out that any form of popular music could be dismissed with this broad stroke.
And from an anthropological standpoint, it certainly qualifies as a subculture. Culture and high art are not synonymous in any way.
I will ask my anthropologist wife. I guess glow sticks qualifies as an artifact.
Actual Rave Culture died out in the UK after the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act of 1994, so what we're talking about now is just a parody of that crossed with stadium rock event runnings.
Even the rave subculture has its own sub subculture,
exhibit A - jungle
artifacts - dubplate biznizz, akai s1000s, weed & crack, THE AMEN BREAK etc etc
the definition of subculture is ambiguous, so anything can be a subculture.
I'm guessing your wife would not agree with this. Sure, the definition is somewhat ambiguous (lots of definitions are), that doesn't mean it's meaningless.
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But a culture, on it's own? No.
It's clearly not a culture on it's own. I'm not sure anyone who knows what they are talking about is asserting otherwise. I don't think using the phrase 'rave culture' is the same as saying that raves are a culture onto themselves.
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also, for the people talking about vegas clubs or festivals: you are probably one of the non-understaning americans that the article was directed at.
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Yes. It was quite fun as well.
Was that with Thom and Markie? Always fun.
Yup. And Jeno
Gone to quite a number of -- and here's the term we always used -- parties. At churches, bowling alleys, factories, warehouses, funeral homes, campsites, arcades, bars, etc. I missed the real heyday of the "culture" in Chicago but in the mid- to late-1990s, there were some large-scale parties where the promoters would throw a lot of $$$ at talent, who would in turn play brand new records. And that's what I always loved about it -- the house, techno, hip-hop, drum and bass, ambient was (at the time) very forward-thinking and if not that, it was new. There is just something special about seeing a DJ such as Thomas Bangalter of Daft Punk, dressed like a regular dude, playing disco on the South Side of Chicago. And it was about the dancing -- talking jackin', couples, stepping, breaking. Good dancing. Sure there was a lot of jail-bate from the suburbs dressed in idiotic clothes, including myself, but I have great memories and I'm proud to have been part of the "scene."
BINGO
I think the girls in bikinis make the raves a bit different than Nazi conventions.
Just my $.02.
Big fish little fish thousand year reich
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I haven't read the Vice article, but there's an informative chapter in Last Night A DJ Saved My Life (Bill Brewster & Frank Broughton - essential reading btw) that covers the cultural impact of rave music in teh UK, plus numerous docs on yootoob if you want to laugh at ravers with bad haircuts gurning.
It amounted.
Yes! Thomas is the shit! Ended up being a close friend and mentor to me when I started deejaying.
I know Thom from way back and Markie from his Tonka days - Markie's taped sets from the Tonka era are still among the best music I own.
Could you please share these sets with us? I would be more than grateful for it.
Why do we have to understand it? Why do we have to appreciate it? Why do we have to agree it is a culture? I will never grasp the "you don't like/appreciate/respect this cultivated "culture" because you are obviously ignorant" mindset. It's thousands of people taking drugs, jumping up and down, watching a dipshit on a laptop...please explain what I don't understand about this "culture". What message am I not getting? What "high art" am I not appreciating? What cultural artifacts am I not aware of?
No one is criticising your opinions or personal taste. However, some of these opinions - as seen above - seem to be based on a misunderstanding.
While I have zero interest in anything to do with with raves, I would point out that any form of popular music could be dismissed with this broad stroke.
And from an anthropological standpoint, it certainly qualifies as a subculture. Culture and high art are not synonymous in any way.
I will ask my anthropologist wife. I guess glow sticks qualifies as an artifact.
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Parody rave
exhibit A - jungle
artifacts - dubplate biznizz, akai s1000s, weed & crack, THE AMEN BREAK etc etc
I'm guessing your wife would not agree with this. Sure, the definition is somewhat ambiguous (lots of definitions are), that doesn't mean it's meaningless.
It's clearly not a culture on it's own. I'm not sure anyone who knows what they are talking about is asserting otherwise. I don't think using the phrase 'rave culture' is the same as saying that raves are a culture onto themselves.