You plan and orchestrate a murder plot against Americans resulting in the deaths of innocent women, men, and children. You wreck an economy and instill fear in generations of law-abiding peaceful people. You ironically cause the deaths of untold numbers of Muslim women, men, and children. You find yourself awakening one night to the choppy blades of military helicopters full of men with exotic weapons, trained to inflict death in the most efficient ways possible. You cower in your darkened room surrounded by your multiple wives to shield you from what you must know is your impending death. And for those last moments your not much unlike those civilians in the twin towers, most of whom's choice is death by fire or by collision with concrete sidewalks and asphalt streets. The big difference is that at least you know who's coming for you and why.
Then your corpse is whisked away, given funeral rights and then slipped into the ocean to be devoured by sharks and denizens of the sea. This final act to your immoral life is done off the side of an aircraft carrier that will later be used in the same month to host a college basketball game and a huge party for the sailors onboard. Years later Hollywood commits this sad tragedy to film to make millions of dollars and have 9/11 apologists debate the methodology of the good men and women that brought a close to the unfortunate lives of stone-age-desiring religious fanatics. I confess it's almost poetic and satisfying how all this unfolded. My coworker knows the seal that killed bin Laden and I hope one day to shake his hand. But behind him are thousands of people in the intelligence community, military, and government that toiled for a decade to right this wrong. This is what this movie is about. Though I haven't seen it yet, I read every review I can and having loved the "Hurt Locker" and the production and director's prior work I can say that I'm stoked for this movie.
And please does everybody out there in the world finally get it? You don't kill Americans. If you do, the outcome is certain. Don't fuck with us and we won't fuck with you. That's what all this was about. A gigantic fuck you to every non-American out there (that has ill intention towards us). You need foreign aid, we're there for you. Your being attacked or overrun by fascist dictators or communism, we're there for you. You ask for help, we're there for you. We're good people and we love liberty. We make the world a better place through our technology and humanitariansm and aid. We are and always will be the frontier of the New World. But you cross us, and well, you see what happens. History proves it. And I doubt there is one native born American, no matter how critical of or hateful to the government doesn't at least in the back of their mind feel this way. Those that don't are ignorant of history and the struggle this nation has had to get to where we are today. It hasn't been pretty, but what in your life that was worth anything ever has?
The thing is we debate and argue how we conduct and do everything this nation 24/7. But someone has to take action and take care of business and usually suffers the fallout and aftermath later. And through that we get better. That's the whole history of America. Fall down, pick yourself up, find what you did wrong, correct it and keep moving forward. In the wake of this progression are things not to be proud of but to learn from. If you want to wage war against us then do it in the arena of ideas and diplomatic relations. Because in any other theater you will lose. You will die. And we will make a movie about it.
Haven't seen the movie but Peter Bergen who is one of the leading Al Qaeda specialists in the world said that it gives a good idea of how the U.S. actually tracked down bin Laden. He said that the torture scene at the beginning was actually more graphic and after he and some others got a special screening they suggested that they tone it down and it was. He doesn't think the torture led directly to bin Laden's capture. Then again, the U.S. did torture a lot of people in their attempt to find him.
Did the movie explore using a doctor and a phony polio vaccination program to find Obama?
Did it explore how legit medical workers doing real vaccinations are now being targeted and killed?
Did it explore the morality of using doctors and health care programs as weapons of war?
Did the movie explore using a doctor and a phony polio vaccination program to find Obama?
Did it explore how legit medical workers doing real vaccinations are now being targeted and killed?
Did it explore the morality of using doctors and health care programs as weapons of war?
It did cover this, but not the knock-on effects you mention.
On that subject... at least the film touched upon the small point that by the time they got Bin Laden, he was more important to Americans than "Al Qaeda" cells around the world, but it felt like they down-played this as merely a passing example of bureaucracy slowing down one woman's effort to find the bad guy rather than exploring the ramifications. Didn't Bin Laden hail Bush as Al Qaeda's best recruitment tool? Images of Guantanamo Bay, dog collars and naked pyramids were probably even better. And this film?
i wonder if kathryn bigelow knew, when she was giving direction to keanu reeves and gary busey on the set of point break, that she would one day become the leni riefenstahl of the next century.
i wonder if kathryn bigelow knew, when she was giving direction to keanu reeves and gary busey on the set of point break, that she would one day become the leni riefenstahl of the next century.
i wonder if kathryn bigelow knew, when she was giving direction to keanu reeves and gary busey on the set of point break, that she would one day become the leni riefenstahl of the next century.
man, you're doing it wrong.
you're *not* supposed to make cheap Nazi analogies in formulating your argument.
i wonder if kathryn bigelow knew, when she was giving direction to keanu reeves and gary busey on the set of point break, that she would one day become the leni riefenstahl of the next century.
man, you're doing it wrong.
you're *not* supposed to make cheap Nazi analogies in formulating your argument.
idiot.
that's actually one of the better nazi analogies i have ever heard (although as a general rule i think the trope is offensive)...
like LR, KB is a talented technical, perhaps visionary, director and filmaker but there is some faustian aspect to her recent work. she gets access, and in return glorfies those who would engage in an inhuman, completely immoral practice like torture.
i have read a few glowing reviews where it says the movie takes no stand for or against torture and it is that complexity that the what makes it so brilliant. i disagree, i think the take-away from the movie is that torture was/is a justifiable means to an end.
i wonder if kathryn bigelow knew, when she was giving direction to keanu reeves and gary busey on the set of point break, that she would one day become the leni riefenstahl of the next century.
man, you're doing it wrong.
you're *not* supposed to make cheap Nazi analogies in formulating your argument.
idiot.
that's actually one of the better nazi analogies i have ever heard
No, it's idiotic. And, as these things usually are, offensive to the reality of the people who had to actually live through that shit.
i wonder if kathryn bigelow knew, when she was giving direction to keanu reeves and gary busey on the set of point break, that she would one day become the leni riefenstahl of the next century.
man, you're doing it wrong.
you're *not* supposed to make cheap Nazi analogies in formulating your argument.
idiot.
that's actually one of the better nazi analogies i have ever heard (although as a general rule i think the trope is offensive)...
it wasn't a nazi analogy. it was a leni riefenstahl comparison.
i wonder if kathryn bigelow knew, when she was giving direction to keanu reeves and gary busey on the set of point break, that she would one day become the leni riefenstahl of the next century.
man, you're doing it wrong.
you're *not* supposed to make cheap Nazi analogies in formulating your argument.
idiot.
that's actually one of the better nazi analogies i have ever heard (although as a general rule i think the trope is offensive)...
like LR, KB is a talented technical, perhaps visionary, director and filmaker but there is some faustian aspect to her recent work. she gets access, and in return glorfies those who would engage in an inhuman, completely immoral practice like torture.
i have read a few glowing reviews where it says the movie takes no stand for or against torture and it is that complexity that the what makes it so brilliant. i disagree, i think the take-away from the movie is that torture was/is a justifiable means to an end.
the movie very clearly made the torture = dead Osama connection.
i wonder if kathryn bigelow knew, when she was giving direction to keanu reeves and gary busey on the set of point break, that she would one day become the leni riefenstahl of the next century.
man, you're doing it wrong.
you're *not* supposed to make cheap Nazi analogies in formulating your argument.
idiot.
that's actually one of the better nazi analogies i have ever heard (although as a general rule i think the trope is offensive)...
it wasn't a nazi analogy. it was a leni riefenstahl comparison.
well, i was agreeing with your analogy/comparison but, yes, point well taken. i apologize for my part in fomenting another useless, ass-hurt political thread.
i wonder if kathryn bigelow knew, when she was giving direction to keanu reeves and gary busey on the set of point break, that she would one day become the leni riefenstahl of the next century.
That's actually a great connection. Very thoughtful.
I'm sorry, this isn't really adding anything to the thread, but that was a great comment.
i wonder if kathryn bigelow knew, when she was giving direction to keanu reeves and gary busey on the set of point break, that she would one day become the leni riefenstahl of the next century.
Carte Blanche (2013) **** comedy-drama
Hot off a huge buzz on the festival circuit and now in limited release, this intense drama follows the life of Walid, an at-risk Tunisian teen recruited into a rag-tag freedom fighter group bent on repelling oppressive foreign invaders with nothing more than improvised tools and their own cunning.
"A haunting rollercoaster ride of of three-hanky proportions!"
??? Caitlyn Van Curler, Community Pundit, Huffington Post
"Stunning visuals!"
??? Erik Weihenmayer
"The perceived geopolitical implications and necessary socio-ethnic corrections override any aesthetic shortcomings. It's a message movie."
??? MC Escher, Soulstrut.com
"Chick flick of the season!"
??? MC Escher's girlfriend, Payless.com
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Then your corpse is whisked away, given funeral rights and then slipped into the ocean to be devoured by sharks and denizens of the sea. This final act to your immoral life is done off the side of an aircraft carrier that will later be used in the same month to host a college basketball game and a huge party for the sailors onboard. Years later Hollywood commits this sad tragedy to film to make millions of dollars and have 9/11 apologists debate the methodology of the good men and women that brought a close to the unfortunate lives of stone-age-desiring religious fanatics. I confess it's almost poetic and satisfying how all this unfolded. My coworker knows the seal that killed bin Laden and I hope one day to shake his hand. But behind him are thousands of people in the intelligence community, military, and government that toiled for a decade to right this wrong. This is what this movie is about. Though I haven't seen it yet, I read every review I can and having loved the "Hurt Locker" and the production and director's prior work I can say that I'm stoked for this movie.
And please does everybody out there in the world finally get it? You don't kill Americans. If you do, the outcome is certain. Don't fuck with us and we won't fuck with you. That's what all this was about. A gigantic fuck you to every non-American out there (that has ill intention towards us). You need foreign aid, we're there for you. Your being attacked or overrun by fascist dictators or communism, we're there for you. You ask for help, we're there for you. We're good people and we love liberty. We make the world a better place through our technology and humanitariansm and aid. We are and always will be the frontier of the New World. But you cross us, and well, you see what happens. History proves it. And I doubt there is one native born American, no matter how critical of or hateful to the government doesn't at least in the back of their mind feel this way. Those that don't are ignorant of history and the struggle this nation has had to get to where we are today. It hasn't been pretty, but what in your life that was worth anything ever has?
The thing is we debate and argue how we conduct and do everything this nation 24/7. But someone has to take action and take care of business and usually suffers the fallout and aftermath later. And through that we get better. That's the whole history of America. Fall down, pick yourself up, find what you did wrong, correct it and keep moving forward. In the wake of this progression are things not to be proud of but to learn from. If you want to wage war against us then do it in the arena of ideas and diplomatic relations. Because in any other theater you will lose. You will die. And we will make a movie about it.
I liked Call of Duty: Al Qaeda edition. It had pew-pew and killed the bad man!
'Murica!!!!
If you preface something with "just saying this isn't racist or ignorant" there's a really good chance that it is.
Internet comments make me sad.
Nothing like seeing a guy say something racist with a picture of him hugging his kid right next to it.
Did it explore how legit medical workers doing real vaccinations are now being targeted and killed?
Did it explore the morality of using doctors and health care programs as weapons of war?
LOL
maybe should have fessed up earlier then?
It did cover this, but not the knock-on effects you mention.
On that subject... at least the film touched upon the small point that by the time they got Bin Laden, he was more important to Americans than "Al Qaeda" cells around the world, but it felt like they down-played this as merely a passing example of bureaucracy slowing down one woman's effort to find the bad guy rather than exploring the ramifications. Didn't Bin Laden hail Bush as Al Qaeda's best recruitment tool? Images of Guantanamo Bay, dog collars and naked pyramids were probably even better. And this film?
My favorite part...when they were all "Osama.............Osama........" Storming the hideout...
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man, you're doing it wrong.
you're *not* supposed to make cheap Nazi analogies in formulating your argument.
idiot.
that's actually one of the better nazi analogies i have ever heard (although as a general rule i think the trope is offensive)...
like LR, KB is a talented technical, perhaps visionary, director and filmaker but there is some faustian aspect to her recent work. she gets access, and in return glorfies those who would engage in an inhuman, completely immoral practice like torture.
i have read a few glowing reviews where it says the movie takes no stand for or against torture and it is that complexity that the what makes it so brilliant. i disagree, i think the take-away from the movie is that torture was/is a justifiable means to an end.
No, it's idiotic. And, as these things usually are, offensive to the reality of the people who had to actually live through that shit.
it wasn't a nazi analogy. it was a leni riefenstahl comparison.
the movie very clearly made the torture = dead Osama connection.
if you guys are going to start climbing up eachothers asses, dont use my quote to do so.
stop talking.
no one takes any of you idiots seriously.
well, i was agreeing with your analogy/comparison but, yes, point well taken. i apologize for my part in fomenting another useless, ass-hurt political thread.
Extraction team holding on the roof. Drop smoke and di di mao, J***!
That's actually a great connection. Very thoughtful.
I'm sorry, this isn't really adding anything to the thread, but that was a great comment.
comedy-drama
Hot off a huge buzz on the festival circuit and now in limited release, this intense drama follows the life of Walid, an at-risk Tunisian teen recruited into a rag-tag freedom fighter group bent on repelling oppressive foreign invaders with nothing more than improvised tools and their own cunning.
"A haunting rollercoaster ride of of three-hanky proportions!"
??? Caitlyn Van Curler, Community Pundit, Huffington Post
"Stunning visuals!"
??? Erik Weihenmayer
"The perceived geopolitical implications and necessary socio-ethnic corrections override any aesthetic shortcomings. It's a message movie."
??? MC Escher, Soulstrut.com
"Chick flick of the season!"
??? MC Escher's girlfriend, Payless.com
"I smell Oscar!"
??? Felix Unger