...i just can't feel it somehow. many reasons, but most of them are kanye related. nevermind that everything about Kanye bristles me to the core, listening to him is like having to sit next to the spazzy desperate loud mouth hyperactive kid in class....i just really don't care about the rarified air they breathe.
I agree with this.
Speaking of rarefied lol - let me run with this not-at-all indicative-of-the-world-at-large SoulSturt trend and wonder if Kanye's musical allure works more on men than women (not counting groupies and such)??
...i just can't feel it somehow. many reasons, but most of them are kanye related. nevermind that everything about Kanye bristles me to the core, listening to him is like having to sit next to the spazzy desperate loud mouth hyperactive kid in class....i just really don't care about the rarified air they breathe.
I agree with this.
Speaking of rarefied lol - let me run with this not-at-all indicative-of-the-world-at-large SoulSturt trend and wonder if Kanye's musical allure works more on men than women (not counting groupies and such)??
I think he's a big cornball these days, but he still occasionally has some nice rhymes or a hot beat. His autotune whining/singing is the only thing worse than his irreverent misogyny.
This album was surpringly good to me. I really liked Lift Off, "Paris", Gotta Have It and Made in America.
...i just can't feel it somehow. many reasons, but most of them are kanye related. nevermind that everything about Kanye bristles me to the core, listening to him is like having to sit next to the spazzy desperate loud mouth hyperactive kid in class....i just really don't care about the rarified air they breathe.
I agree with this.
Speaking of rarefied lol - let me run with this not-at-all indicative-of-the-world-at-large SoulSturt trend and wonder if Kanye's musical allure works more on men than women (not counting groupies and such)??
I think he's a big cornball these days, but he still occasionally has some nice rhymes or a hot beat. His autotune whining/singing is the only thing worse than his irreverent misogyny.
This album was surpringly good to me. I really liked Lift Off, "Paris", Gotta Have It and Made in America.
oh, so YOU'RE the one.....i'm gonna have to put that as the worst track on the disc, by far.
...i just can't feel it somehow. many reasons, but most of them are kanye related. nevermind that everything about Kanye bristles me to the core, listening to him is like having to sit next to the spazzy desperate loud mouth hyperactive kid in class....i just really don't care about the rarified air they breathe.
I agree with this.
Speaking of rarefied lol - let me run with this not-at-all indicative-of-the-world-at-large SoulSturt trend and wonder if Kanye's musical allure works more on men than women (not counting groupies and such)??
I think he's a big cornball these days, but he still occasionally has some nice rhymes or a hot beat. His autotune whining/singing is the only thing worse than his irreverent misogyny.
This album was surpringly good to me. I really liked Lift Off, "Paris", Gotta Have It and Made in America.
oh, so YOU'RE the one.....i'm gonna have to put that as the worst track on the disc, by far.
...i just can't feel it somehow. many reasons, but most of them are kanye related. nevermind that everything about Kanye bristles me to the core, listening to him is like having to sit next to the spazzy desperate loud mouth hyperactive kid in class....i just really don't care about the rarified air they breathe.
I think he's a big cornball these days. His autotune whining/singing is the only thing worse than his irreverent misogyny.
Totally agree with this. Kanye is insufferable. I was at a festival where he headlined recently, saw one or two songs in the show and had to leave - it irked me so much, plus, those songs jesus walks and Golddigger are the worst. He was beeing booed by kids and went off on some pathetic me me me rant mid show. cant abide his ignant ass.
from the guardian review:
Later, comes a precarious moment: Kanye West's headline slot. Half an hour late on stage, he sings his first song from the sound tower, which hardly anyone can see. Then he arrives at the front of a completely white stage, dressed completely in white, in front of billowing white smoke machines, the sky lighting up with white fireworks.
He plays all the hits ??? Jesus Walks, Diamonds from Sierra Leone, Gold Digger ??? but when he starts to speak, as he does often, things fall apart. A 10-minute rant about a video award he won some years back, which he annoyingly had to fly for 12 hours to receive, sinks into a mind-melting ramble against phoniness. This is met by huge boos, and fleeing people. He is so honest, he protests, as he strikes poses before a backdrop of Greco-Roman statues. Then he puts the icing on his cake: "People treat me like Hitler," he raves. That, you feel, is that.
Many of the people remaining seem to be gawping at him, rather than enjoying his performance. Then, when you think things can't get any more This Is Spinal Tap ??? This Is Spinal Rap, perhaps? ??? West's encore begins with a massive white sheet falling on to the stage, smothering all of the dancers, to the strains of the theme to Chariots of Fire. Is their billowing shape meant to signify a mountain? A glacier? Few seem to know; fewer still seem to care.
Long before West wraps up with the day's second tribute to Winehouse ??? preceded by a me-me-me speech about how he met her, of course ??? a group of girls go past, shouting something many people are feeling. Wriggling their glitter-sparkled bodies, "Kanye West is a knobhead!," they squeal. A performance there, one senses, that many people can agree with.
"people think im hitler' they dont get me' - gtfooh.
...i just can't feel it somehow. many reasons, but most of them are kanye related. nevermind that everything about Kanye bristles me to the core, listening to him is like having to sit next to the spazzy desperate loud mouth hyperactive kid in class....i just really don't care about the rarified air they breathe.
I agree with this.
Speaking of rarefied lol - let me run with this not-at-all indicative-of-the-world-at-large SoulSturt trend and wonder if Kanye's musical allure works more on men than women (not counting groupies and such)??
I think he's a big cornball these days, but he still occasionally has some nice rhymes or a hot beat. His autotune whining/singing is the only thing worse than his irreverent misogyny.
This album was surpringly good to me. I really liked Lift Off, "Paris", Gotta Have It and Made in America.
oh, so YOU'RE the one.....i'm gonna have to put that as the worst track on the disc, by far.
"Lift Off" is my favorite track, with 29 plays. My least favorite is probably "Made in America," with only 21 plays. The track reminds me of Cornell West's cornier moments.
"Jesus Walks" shits over any of the "Real Hip Hop" that you listen to. That song is perfection. All those underground dudes you listen to can't make music that powerful, sometimes theres a reason dudes are on top............. Kanye's a prime example.
People keep mentioning expensive samples. Is there an article aboutthis or something concrete that people are getting this from? Or is it just something that someone said and has been repeated in the twitterverse.
Is it just an assumption that James Brown samples are expensive? Otis Redding? Or can someone point me to something about the expenses? Just curious because it keeps being repeated.
"Jesus Walks" shits over any of the "Real Hip Hop" that you listen to. That song is perfection. All those underground dudes you listen to can't make music that powerful, sometimes theres a reason dudes are on top............. Kanye's a prime example.
Rappers like a spot of God-bothering. Generally, the hip hop invocation of Jesus, Allah or Jah is a specious attempt at significance-by-association, poorly disguised as God-fearing humility. You know, 'Yes, I am a materialist, misogynist wannabe drug overlord ... but I asked the Baby Jesus for forgiveness and he assured me, over a glass of hugely expensive cognac, that I'm a special case because of my God-given talent.' One of US hip hop's chief selling points is its ability to make a spiritual mountain out of a self-obsessed molehill, as summed up neatly by rap's newest superstar on 'Jesus Walks': 'God show me the way because the devil's trying to break me down.'
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i cant separate the man from the music - i like my rap to be lyrical, funky and banging, not the self obsessed baroque pop kitsch. Doesnt mean you and the generation Y teen demographic cant cling to kanye like they do gaga and madonna. have fun with that.
I've listened to Watch The Throne on repeat for a week, tried to put some effort in as I'm not usually a Kanye fan. I'm surprised how much I really, really like some of the tracks, and conversely the awful bits are truly fucking awful.
great bits:
-The title track
-the kraftwerk-esque riff on "n***** in paris"
-the second beat on Murder to Excellence
-primetime
-the joy
-some of the rapping, particularly jay z's bits
-I quite like that "ooooooooo I love you so" thing, don't know why but i do. maybe cause its in that perfume ad.
-occasional flashes of genius in the verbal interplay between jay and ye.
appalling bits:
-lift off (exactly the lilypad shit others have stated - crap)
-autotuned nina simone New Day (awfullllll.. one of the worst beats i've heard in my entire life - a toddler could do better)
-that stupid silence on illest motherfucker (pointless? why oh why.)
-the use of Flux Pavillion - terrible dubstep artist, shocking beat.
-some of the rapping, particularly kanye's bits. (though i can see the car crash fascination with them)
-the general cheap, Asda-price sound of the production, in quite a few places sounds rushed, badly mixed and largely in poor taste. why not try to have at least a sort of consistency to it? its all over the place. sounds like a random collection of tracks, not an album per se.
overall, better than the Twisted Dark Utterly Overrated Fantasy, and totally awesome fun in places, but the amount of track-skipping it takes to get to those places makes it a 2.75 mikes out of 5.
i will be adopting the use of "told her to run a bubble bath / and float in that shit like a hovercraft" in my day to day life though, cheers kanye!
-autotuned nina simone New Day (awfullllll.. one of the worst beats i've heard in my entire life - a toddler could do better)
I haven't dissected, but it's Nina Simone for sure? I only ask becasue RZA used Freda Payne's Feeling Good on Bob n'I...and as big a RZA fan I am, using the same song (even if it's different artists) twice? Meh.
-autotuned nina simone New Day (awfullllll.. one of the worst beats i've heard in my entire life - a toddler could do better)
I haven't dissected, but it's Nina Simone for sure? I only ask becasue RZA used Freda Payne's Feeling Good on Bob n'I...and as big a RZA fan I am, using the same song (even if it's different artists) twice? Meh.
this is my sentiment exactly, the only thing i can come up with is that The Throne asked for "vintage RZA" or something... (aside from the fact this is so far from "vintage RZA")
For the most part, I'm a fan of Kanye's raps, but goddamn his verse on "Illest Motherfucker Alive" is dumb as FUCK. I wanna slap the shit out of him for that "Russell" bit. I'd be embarrassed if I were any of those Russells.
For the most part, I'm a fan of Kanye's raps, but goddamn his verse on "Illest Motherfucker Alive" is dumb as FUCK. I wanna slap the shit out of him for that "Russell" bit. I'd be embarrassed if I were any of those Russells.
I'll give him that "centerfolds" line though.
what's more embarassing was in the "doc" when he's rapping the line TO russell crowe.
I just wanted to say this is my clear album of the year winner so far.
Its also my favorite rap album in a long time. Probably jay's best album since the black album too.
Jay is in top form for this whole thing. Kanye is great too, but having jay there really adds a sense of balance that is missing from his last record. I also dig kanye kinda basking in his "bad guy" role and really not giving a fuck.
I dunno, apparently opinions are mixed, but for me this shit is just about perfect.
anyone check out carter 4? (i forgot the struts opinion of weezy.....) theres a pretty hot jay-z diss track and some other goodies. i probably should have made a new thread...ehh.....
he sounds like a less corny version of those fake ghostface reviews everyone seems to love...
THATS MY BITCH - IS THAT SANTIGOLD/LUTHER VANDROSS ON THE HOOK B? THIS BEAT IS HARD BUT THAT NINTENDO SYNTH IS KILLIN ME. KANYE VERSE IS TOUGH (HANH?!) JAY KILLED IT TOO. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS SOME "MY BITCH IS BAD" TYPE SHIT BUT IT'S NOT OD SIMPY ON SOME DRAKE "SWEATPANTS HAIR TIED...THATS WHEN YOUR THE PRETTIEST" TYPE SHIT. I WANNA SEE JAYZ COME UP WITH SOME SHIT TO EXPLAIN THE TITLE OF THE SONG TO CAUCASIAN FEMINISTS "WHAT I MEANT BY BITCH WAS LIKE I OWN A KENNEL AND ALL THE FEMALE DOGS IN MY KENNEL WEAR HERMES"...YEAH I KNOW PAL.
he sounds like a less corny version of those fake ghostface reviews everyone seems to love...
THATS MY BITCH - IS THAT SANTIGOLD/LUTHER VANDROSS ON THE HOOK B? THIS BEAT IS HARD BUT THAT NINTENDO SYNTH IS KILLIN ME. KANYE VERSE IS TOUGH (HANH?!) JAY KILLED IT TOO. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS SOME "MY BITCH IS BAD" TYPE SHIT BUT IT'S NOT OD SIMPY ON SOME DRAKE "SWEATPANTS HAIR TIED...THATS WHEN YOUR THE PRETTIEST" TYPE SHIT. I WANNA SEE JAYZ COME UP WITH SOME SHIT TO EXPLAIN THE TITLE OF THE SONG TO CAUCASIAN FEMINISTS "WHAT I MEANT BY BITCH WAS LIKE I OWN A KENNEL AND ALL THE FEMALE DOGS IN MY KENNEL WEAR HERMES"...YEAH I KNOW PAL.
Seriously?? That "review" seemed MORE corny to me!
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I agree with this.
Speaking of rarefied lol - let me run with this not-at-all indicative-of-the-world-at-large SoulSturt trend and wonder if Kanye's musical allure works more on men than women (not counting groupies and such)??
I think he's a big cornball these days, but he still occasionally has some nice rhymes or a hot beat. His autotune whining/singing is the only thing worse than his irreverent misogyny.
This album was surpringly good to me. I really liked Lift Off, "Paris", Gotta Have It and Made in America.
If nothing else, this thread has at least revealed that Soulstrut likes its rappeurs fungry.
I would add the personal aside that fungry is better than hangry. Nobody likes hangry.
He is an excellent producer.
oh, so YOU'RE the one.....i'm gonna have to put that as the worst track on the disc, by far.
yeah, speaking of big cornball...I don't know really know why i like it.
Totally agree with this. Kanye is insufferable. I was at a festival where he headlined recently, saw one or two songs in the show and had to leave - it irked me so much, plus, those songs jesus walks and Golddigger are the worst. He was beeing booed by kids and went off on some pathetic me me me rant mid show. cant abide his ignant ass.
"people think im hitler' they dont get me' - gtfooh.
Can we discuss the album instead of the usual Taylor Swift nonsense.
all partying aside, what track is worse?
Is it just an assumption that James Brown samples are expensive? Otis Redding? Or can someone point me to something about the expenses? Just curious because it keeps being repeated.
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i cant separate the man from the music - i like my rap to be lyrical, funky and banging, not the self obsessed baroque pop kitsch. Doesnt mean you and the generation Y teen demographic cant cling to kanye like they do gaga and madonna. have fun with that.
Yes! This commerical rap album release thread is now complete.
For someone who so passionately hates both the man and his music you sure do devote a lot of time to listening and discussing him on this site.
great bits:
-The title track
-the kraftwerk-esque riff on "n***** in paris"
-the second beat on Murder to Excellence
-primetime
-the joy
-some of the rapping, particularly jay z's bits
-I quite like that "ooooooooo I love you so" thing, don't know why but i do. maybe cause its in that perfume ad.
-occasional flashes of genius in the verbal interplay between jay and ye.
appalling bits:
-lift off (exactly the lilypad shit others have stated - crap)
-autotuned nina simone New Day (awfullllll.. one of the worst beats i've heard in my entire life - a toddler could do better)
-that stupid silence on illest motherfucker (pointless? why oh why.)
-the use of Flux Pavillion - terrible dubstep artist, shocking beat.
-some of the rapping, particularly kanye's bits. (though i can see the car crash fascination with them)
-the general cheap, Asda-price sound of the production, in quite a few places sounds rushed, badly mixed and largely in poor taste. why not try to have at least a sort of consistency to it? its all over the place. sounds like a random collection of tracks, not an album per se.
overall, better than the Twisted Dark Utterly Overrated Fantasy, and totally awesome fun in places, but the amount of track-skipping it takes to get to those places makes it a 2.75 mikes out of 5.
i will be adopting the use of "told her to run a bubble bath / and float in that shit like a hovercraft" in my day to day life though, cheers kanye!
I haven't dissected, but it's Nina Simone for sure? I only ask becasue RZA used Freda Payne's Feeling Good on Bob n'I...and as big a RZA fan I am, using the same song (even if it's different artists) twice? Meh.
this is my sentiment exactly, the only thing i can come up with is that The Throne asked for "vintage RZA" or something... (aside from the fact this is so far from "vintage RZA")
I'll give him that "centerfolds" line though.
what's more embarassing was in the "doc" when he's rapping the line TO russell crowe.
Its also my favorite rap album in a long time. Probably jay's best album since the black album too.
Jay is in top form for this whole thing. Kanye is great too, but having jay there really adds a sense of balance that is missing from his last record. I also dig kanye kinda basking in his "bad guy" role and really not giving a fuck.
I dunno, apparently opinions are mixed, but for me this shit is just about perfect.
http://www.avclub.com/chicago/articles/reissue-label-numero-group-accuses-jayz-and-kanye,60888/
good on numero, from the looks of it!
http://www.thesource.com/articles/87026?thesource-prod=jpmubv8ta66o3oodh2ke7i7g91
he sounds like a less corny version of those fake ghostface reviews everyone seems to love...
THATS MY BITCH - IS THAT SANTIGOLD/LUTHER VANDROSS ON THE HOOK B? THIS BEAT IS HARD BUT THAT NINTENDO SYNTH IS KILLIN ME. KANYE VERSE IS TOUGH (HANH?!) JAY KILLED IT TOO. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS SOME "MY BITCH IS BAD" TYPE SHIT BUT IT'S NOT OD SIMPY ON SOME DRAKE "SWEATPANTS HAIR TIED...THATS WHEN YOUR THE PRETTIEST" TYPE SHIT. I WANNA SEE JAYZ COME UP WITH SOME SHIT TO EXPLAIN THE TITLE OF THE SONG TO CAUCASIAN FEMINISTS "WHAT I MEANT BY BITCH WAS LIKE I OWN A KENNEL AND ALL THE FEMALE DOGS IN MY KENNEL WEAR HERMES"...YEAH I KNOW PAL.
Seriously?? That "review" seemed MORE corny to me!