So you base your relative like or dislike of a record on the importance placed on by some other group of people? "Oh, that record is overrated because so-and-so really bumps it". Like I said before, just the fact that Edan is your frame of reference for that record renders you and your opinion of it extremely suspect. Edan didn't MAKE the record, he didn't DISCOVER the record, he's not even the first to comp it (I believe credit for that goes to Ego Trip). Like the always-on-point Batmon said, that record was a mixshow staple back in the day, and to me it's as as the day my friend first gave me a Kiss Mastermix tape that had the shit on i when I was eleven.
Maybe time for holiday to put his copy of 'Small Time Hustler' up for sale to someone who considers it overrated and may just be excited about coppin' a premium slice of vintage late '80s hip-hop...
I used Edan as an example and probably should have realized that was a pandora's box round here, my bad. I don't listen to him and he is not my frame of reference for the music.
Really though, who is Edan? I occasionally see hyperbolic descriptions concernin' his output, but why does he get more props than others speakin' on this subject? Are any true aged old school heads really checkin' for him? Would Ivan 'Doc' Rodriguez care? Does Edan have a miniature Power Play Studios model shrine in his care or somethin'? Is he like the American version of the P Brothers out of Nottingham?
Not bein' facetious, but any suggestions would be welcome...
wow, dudes are making a lot of assumptions in this thread...i would like to say that: 1. what you think you know about someone based on what lambaste on the internet is most likely wrong. though i don't think most of what has been mentioned is overrated, i don't think it speaks much to how dedicated to rap they are or how long they've been listening to it. 2. that said, you still can't front on epmd. and i think small time hustler is dope too. 3. i had no idea people felt so strongly about such a blatantly ridiculous album as makaveli. and for the record, my enjoyment of ???I get around??? has a lot more to do with shock g and speaks little to whether or not I listen to rap music.
Madlib. It took 5-6 years, but he put out a good album this year (Quas). His is the largest learning curve in the history of rap music.
Hahaha re: learning curve. I agree with you, even though by this board's standards I'm probably a madlib dickrider. His shit... um... takes some getting used to.
1) Tupac. He's got the most loyal core audience ever. I respect that. But his charisma as an icon often exceeded his abilities as an artist.
I would think it would take a little bit of skill and artistic ability to have a huge legion of fans in the West AND East, and globally. Not to mention, when you hear a Tupac song, it's instantly recognizable. And people are still buying his records. Stylistically, Biggie had a better flow. But Biggie didn't have that fire and passion that Pac had in his voice and delivery.
2) Eminem.
not necessarily a big fan of his either. and he does put out some mediocre shit. but when he writes about personal shit, it's far relevant than 90% of shit out there. People can relate to it. I could care less about style or flavor, when somebody's rapping about some real life shit. To me, that means more. so no, not overrated.
OVERRATED:
C.L. Smooth- It probably has to do with the fact that I didn't grow up listening to him. And I've tried liking his stuff, but every time I listen to his rapping, i find it very annoying, and find myself asking "now wtf are you talking about?!"
Aesop Rock- He's a very unique and talented rapper, and i can respect that. but come on now, he is certainly not easy listening. and people jock him.
Kanye West- I find his beats to be gimmicky at best.
anticon 50 cent def jux game atmosphere dilated peoples edan mike jones
just a few , just my opinion
A couple of those I see where you're coming from, but as far as stuff like Anticon and Dilated Peoples go-- sure, they've got a bunch of followers, but overrated today? I don't think most people "hip hop" even rated Anticon to begin with, and I think the general consensus about Dilated Peoples has always been that they're boring.
My picks:
O.C. circa Word...Life (see the thread from the other day) MC Eiht (I always thought his style was sloppy)
Not in America but in Europe I could catch a bad one for such sacrilege.
You could catch a bad one down here for saying that as well. Myself & influential crew Def Wish Cast were recently interviewed for DJ Supreme's doco on Hyjack which will be out before the end of the year.
Not that I dont like them. They got a couple of classics even. But speakerboxx/love below was not this godsend of a perfect album that everyone makes it out to be.
Its not terrible either. Its just overated. Specifically speakerboxxx.
Not that I dont like them. They got a couple of classics even. But speakerboxx/love below was not this godsend of a perfect album that everyone makes it out to be.
Its not terrible either. Its just overated. Specifically speakerboxxx.
Definitely their weakest record.
But I don't think they're at all overrated as a group.
Not that I dont like them. They got a couple of classics even. But speakerboxx/love below was not this godsend of a perfect album that everyone makes it out to be.
Its not terrible either. Its just overated. Specifically speakerboxxx.
Definitely their weakest record.
But I don't think they're at all overrated as a group.
well, its like certain people that LOVE outkast, that wont even give any other southern rap a shot.
But outkast is pretty genius when they get together. I gotta say.
I hope their next record lives up to my expectations.
I met dj supreme in zurich. guess he lives there now. got a picture of him holding one of the hijack records. nice cat. those scratches were so for back then.
But, um not really in real life though some are like really dopey dopey doo. Take for example the b-side of Bas Blasta's "Dangerous" 12", the track "The Rhythm" is one of the best b-sides ever with Fat Joe, Godfather Don, JuJu & Lord Finesse. So I'm talking shit.
Tupac.. pfft. Lil Jon... pfft. Jay-Z... pfft & yeah Jeru, what were we thinking. That 'War' album was absolute shitouse. His DJ Premier joints were solid, but...
Not that I dont like them. They got a couple of classics even. But speakerboxx/love below was not this godsend of a perfect album that everyone makes it out to be.
Its not terrible either. Its just overated. Specifically speakerboxxx.
Definitely their weakest record.
But I don't think they're at all overrated as a group.
well, its like certain people that LOVE outkast, that wont even give any other southern rap a shot.
But outkast is pretty genius when they get together. I gotta say.
I hope their next record lives up to my expectations.
Well, if it were almost any other group I would be inclined to agree with you, but Outkast is probably my favorite group ever, so you're not gonna be able to convince me that they don't deserve all the props they get.
And you can't really hold them accountable for their fans--I don't think they ever pandered to those people that hated on other southern artists. Throwing Gangsta Boo on a midcareer album seemed like a fat middle finger aimed at those people, to me.
Jeru the damaja has always been rediculously overated. (What were we thinking? that dude's wack!)
edan is overated
blackalicious is overated.
bump j - definitely overated.
lloyd banks - so one dimensional.
the pharcyde - 1 hit wonder. (I liked runnin though.)
black sheep - overated. see above.
fat joe
little brother
and a whole bunch more...
hip hop is overated.
Man, I agree that a lot of that stuff is not what's good, but not that it's overrated.
Who is rating Papoose or Bump J or even Fat Joe highly? I mean, people that like Fat Joe like him mostly for his underdog backstory; they like him precisely because they recognize that he's not that good but that he's worked really hard. And isn't Bump J the dude with the Burger King commercial or some schitt?
1)Hijack - well the record goes for money now.. They had ties with Rhyme Syndicate, so perhaps some people construe this as meaning "street cred" or "hip hop viability".. In reality they are only really of interest to collectors of "british hardcore". They sound funny now (eg the badman is robbin). They are not well known enough to warrant "overrated".. File them under "overpriced" instead, next to the fast rap craze. Oh, and one of the guys went on to be in "masters of ceremony" who did an awful 2step garridge track a few years ago, which went to number 1 in the UK. That says it all.
2)Kanye West - has made a few decent tracks - is probably overrated. He has made the only rap record I can think of that is directly about Jesus and gets played in the club though, which is probably some sort of acheivement.
3)EPMD are one of the best rap groups of all time. The Source used to rate "It's My Thing" as the greatest rap song of all time, did they not? And it still sounds great to this day. Consistent output and innovation.
4)Boogie Down Productions / KRS - the beats are legendary, the rhymes complimented them at the time.. The rhymes can't really compete with the complex flows of today, so they've dated quite badly.. But I don't think "Sound Of Da Police" is overrated.. Do you? Do you think the rhymes and the delivery suck on that track? Nope.
5)Dr Octagon - this record is popular due to a porno skit involving a nun and a chick getting into some stinky pink action. There are a few decent tracks on it, including clever use of that Larry Coryell sample. There is a great bonus track which talks about "half shark, half alligator, half man". This kinda zany shit appeals to people that want to impress their dorm neighbours.
On relisten, most of the raps sound like they were spat from the pages of an science textbook, inventing Def Jux in the process.
Had it not been on MoWax, it would have sunk like a rock. People that want to say they like Endtroducing, but would feel a bit cliched doing so, say they like Octagon instead.. Octagon was not the best hip hop record on MoWax, Melodica Ep by Blackalicious was.
6)blackalicious post-nia, or maybe during are totally overrated. Apart from the beats on 4th dimension rocket ships.. but that's not blackalicious is it?
7)I do not own a record by Tupac.
8)madlib is not popular enough to be overrated. he's not as overrated as the 9th wonder, put it that way. i don't think I've ever read an article that sung his praises excessively. he's renowned for being what he is - totally caned, a jack of all trades, but (probably) a master of none.
5)Dr Octagon - this record is popular due to a porno skit involving a nun and a chick getting into some stinky pink action. There are a few decent tracks on it, including clever use of that Larry Coryell sample. There is a great bonus track which talks about "B>half shark, half alligator, half man/B>". This kinda zany shit appeals to S>people that want to impress their dorm neighbours/S> Chris Elliot fans.
plaese do not being slagging of the hijack. their early 12's + half their lp were the bollocks. don't front. my two copies of the lp got damaged in a djing accident. bugger.
plaese do not being slagging of the hijack. their early 12's + half their lp were the bollocks. don't front. my two copies of the lp got damaged in a djing accident. bugger.
I think they had a tune that sampled "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" that was dope. I have the album somewhere. Is that still talked about in the UK?
plaese do not being slagging of the hijack. their early 12's + half their lp were the bollocks. don't front. my two copies of the lp got damaged in a djing accident. bugger.
I think they had a tune that sampled "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" that was dope. I have the album somewhere. Is that still talked about in the UK?
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yesh it's still talked about, mainly by younguns learning their uk history & old timers remembering the good ol days . I couldn't listen to the whole lp now but there's still a couple tracks that float my boat and as previously mentioned Supreme was the daddy. I believe you can get a decent price for the lp. I have that caveman 12 too, still remember the first time I heard it on the jeff Young radio show , was a popular tune at the time as was "I'm ready"
Why has "not owning a Tupac record" become the epitome of DJ cred? Like you don't know the deal if you own anything by him. I mean, every DJ should at least have love for I Get Around. Classic shit.
Greatest rapper ever? Certainly not but SOME of his shit has a place in my crates.
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Really though, who is Edan? I occasionally see hyperbolic descriptions concernin' his output, but why does he get more props than others speakin' on this subject? Are any true aged old school heads really checkin' for him? Would Ivan 'Doc' Rodriguez care? Does Edan have a miniature Power Play Studios model shrine in his care or somethin'? Is he like the American version of the P Brothers out of Nottingham?
Not bein' facetious, but any suggestions would be welcome...
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I caught that myself - stream-of-consciousness typin' a la Joycean 'Ulysses' will get one in trouble...
1. what you think you know about someone based on what lambaste on the internet is most likely wrong. though i don't think most of what has been mentioned is overrated, i don't think it speaks much to how dedicated to rap they are or how long they've been listening to it.
2. that said, you still can't front on epmd. and i think small time hustler is dope too.
3. i had no idea people felt so strongly about such a blatantly ridiculous album as makaveli. and for the record, my enjoyment of ???I get around??? has a lot more to do with shock g and speaks little to whether or not I listen to rap music.
His voice WAS and is wack. Almost as wack as his arrogant, contradictory raps. "I am Hip Hop"??? Nigga please.
And don't get me started about his nose. Wack.
Hahaha re: learning curve. I agree with you, even though by this board's standards I'm probably a madlib dickrider. His shit... um... takes some getting used to.
50 cent
def jux
game
atmosphere
dilated peoples
edan
mike jones
just a few , just my opinion
I would think it would take a little bit of skill and artistic ability to have a huge legion of fans in the West AND East, and globally. Not to mention, when you hear a Tupac song, it's instantly recognizable. And people are still buying his records. Stylistically, Biggie had a better flow. But Biggie didn't have that fire and passion that Pac had in his voice and delivery.
not necessarily a big fan of his either. and he does put out some mediocre shit. but when he writes about personal shit, it's far relevant than 90% of shit out there. People can relate to it. I could care less about style or flavor, when somebody's rapping about some real life shit. To me, that means more. so no, not overrated.
OVERRATED:
C.L. Smooth- It probably has to do with the fact that I didn't grow up listening to him. And I've tried liking his stuff, but every time I listen to his rapping, i find it very annoying, and find myself asking "now wtf are you talking about?!"
Aesop Rock- He's a very unique and talented rapper, and i can respect that. but come on now, he is certainly not easy listening. and people jock him.
Kanye West- I find his beats to be gimmicky at best.
A couple of those I see where you're coming from, but as far as stuff like Anticon and Dilated Peoples go-- sure, they've got a bunch of followers, but overrated today? I don't think most people "hip hop" even rated Anticon to begin with, and I think the general consensus about Dilated Peoples has always been that they're boring.
My picks:
O.C. circa Word...Life (see the thread from the other day)
MC Eiht (I always thought his style was sloppy)
Myself & influential crew Def Wish Cast were recently interviewed for DJ Supreme's doco on Hyjack which will be out before the end of the year.
http://www.djsupreme.com/index_EN.htm
Not that I dont like them. They got a couple of classics even. But speakerboxx/love below was not this godsend of a perfect album that everyone makes it out to be.
Its not terrible either. Its just overated. Specifically speakerboxxx.
Definitely their weakest record.
But I don't think they're at all overrated as a group.
well, its like certain people that LOVE outkast, that wont even give any other southern rap a shot.
But outkast is pretty genius when they get together. I gotta say.
I hope their next record lives up to my expectations.
papoose is mad overated.
Cee-lo is definitely overated.
Jeru the damaja has always been rediculously overated. (What were we thinking? that dude's wack!)
edan is overated
blackalicious is overated.
bump j - definitely overated.
lloyd banks - so one dimensional.
the pharcyde - 1 hit wonder. (I liked runnin though.)
black sheep - overated. see above.
fat joe
little brother
and a whole bunch more...
hip hop is overated.
But, um not really in real life though some are like really dopey dopey doo.
Take for example the b-side of Bas Blasta's "Dangerous" 12", the track "The Rhythm" is one of the best b-sides ever with Fat Joe, Godfather Don, JuJu & Lord Finesse. So I'm talking shit.
Tupac.. pfft. Lil Jon... pfft. Jay-Z... pfft
& yeah Jeru, what were we thinking. That 'War' album was absolute shitouse.
His DJ Premier joints were solid, but...
Well, if it were almost any other group I would be inclined to agree with you, but Outkast is probably my favorite group ever, so you're not gonna be able to convince me that they don't deserve all the props they get.
And you can't really hold them accountable for their fans--I don't think they ever pandered to those people that hated on other southern artists. Throwing Gangsta Boo on a midcareer album seemed like a fat middle finger aimed at those people, to me.
Man, I agree that a lot of that stuff is not what's good, but not that it's overrated.
Who is rating Papoose or Bump J or even Fat Joe highly? I mean, people that like Fat Joe like him mostly for his underdog backstory; they like him precisely because they recognize that he's not that good but that he's worked really hard. And isn't Bump J the dude with the Burger King commercial or some schitt?
1)Hijack - well the record goes for money now.. They had ties with Rhyme Syndicate, so perhaps some people construe this as meaning "street cred" or "hip hop viability".. In reality they are only really of interest to collectors of "british hardcore". They sound funny now (eg the badman is robbin). They are not well known enough to warrant "overrated".. File them under "overpriced" instead, next to the fast rap craze. Oh, and one of the guys went on to be in "masters of ceremony" who did an awful 2step garridge track a few years ago, which went to number 1 in the UK. That says it all.
2)Kanye West - has made a few decent tracks - is probably overrated. He has made the only rap record I can think of that is directly about Jesus and gets played in the club though, which is probably some sort of acheivement.
3)EPMD are one of the best rap groups of all time. The Source used to rate "It's My Thing" as the greatest rap song of all time, did they not? And it still sounds great to this day. Consistent output and innovation.
4)Boogie Down Productions / KRS - the beats are legendary, the rhymes complimented them at the time.. The rhymes can't really compete with the complex flows of today, so they've dated quite badly.. But I don't think "Sound Of Da Police" is overrated.. Do you? Do you think the rhymes and the delivery suck on that track? Nope.
5)Dr Octagon - this record is popular due to a porno skit involving a nun and a chick getting into some stinky pink action. There are a few decent tracks on it, including clever use of that Larry Coryell sample. There is a great bonus track which talks about "half shark, half alligator, half man". This kinda zany shit appeals to people that want to impress their dorm neighbours.
On relisten, most of the raps sound like they were spat from the pages of an science textbook, inventing Def Jux in the process.
Had it not been on MoWax, it would have sunk like a rock. People that want to say they like Endtroducing, but would feel a bit cliched doing so, say they like Octagon instead.. Octagon was not the best hip hop record on MoWax, Melodica Ep by Blackalicious was.
6)blackalicious post-nia, or maybe during are totally overrated. Apart from the beats on 4th dimension rocket ships.. but that's not blackalicious is it?
7)I do not own a record by Tupac.
8)madlib is not popular enough to be overrated. he's not as overrated as the 9th wonder, put it that way. i don't think I've ever read an article that sung his praises excessively. he's renowned for being what he is - totally caned, a jack of all trades, but (probably) a master of none.
respect the architect
my two copies of the lp got damaged in a djing accident. bugger.
I still like Caveman - Fry You Like Fish, so feel free to accuse me of having suspect taste
PS I am 25 years old and "Stunts Blunts and Hip Hop" is my favourite rap album. I am happy to admit that I am riddled with contradictions.
I think they had a tune that sampled "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" that was dope. I have the album somewhere. Is that still talked about in the UK?
h
yesh it's still talked about, mainly by younguns learning their uk history & old timers remembering the good ol days . I couldn't listen to the whole lp now but there's still a couple tracks that float my boat and as previously mentioned Supreme was the daddy. I believe you can get a decent price for the lp.
I have that caveman 12 too, still remember the first time I heard it on the jeff Young radio show , was a popular tune at the time as was "I'm ready"
Why has "not owning a Tupac record" become the epitome of DJ cred? Like you don't know the deal if you own anything by him. I mean, every DJ should at least have love for I Get Around. Classic shit.
Greatest rapper ever? Certainly not but SOME of his shit has a place in my crates.