Is anyone here defending Vick's actions or animal cruelty ? Look dude, I'm sorry Vick didn't receive the punishment you feel he deserved.... but, i suggest you take a day off from rescuing pigeons and teaching chimps sign language to speak with victims of child molestation before you start comparing their experiences to those of a goddamn dog.
No, dudes are busting your balls because you set yourself up with this thread.
In no way do I condone what he did, but it always trps me out to see folks hold the lives of animals above people. Comparing Vick to a child molester is straight up ridiculous.
I was wrong, you don't sound stupid. You just sound like one huge asshole.
I made no such comparison, of course. The comparison is between the kind of sadist who molests a child and the kind of sadist who abuses animals.
They're both sadists.
And it's not the punishment Vick received that bothers me. It's the shallow, stupid assholes who want to forget what he did and turn him back into a hero just because he can run fast.
"Goddamn dog."
Wow.
yep...goddamn dog...like the big ass piece of goddamn cow i'm about to eat.
and again.....who is defending Vick's actions in this thread and who is making him out to be a hero?
nevermind....i really don't give a shit....enjoy your evening
I'd say the guy who plans on buying some "MV jerseys" tomorrow sure is defending him and making him out to be a hero.
No, people are busting your balls because you set yourself up with this thread.
In no way am I condoning what he did, but it always trips me out when folks hold animals lives over people. Comparing Vick to a child molester is straight up ridiculous.
PelvicDust - you seem to hold the belief that the standards for treatment of dogs (or even all animals???) should be very close to, if not the same as, the standards for treatment of humans.
you also seem to fail to understand that other folks (and i'd include myself in this group) believe that the welfare of our own species holds much greater moral importance than the welfare of non-human species.
in the same way that i would never "humanely slaughter" another human being just because i thought parts of their flesh tasted good when cooked in oil and butter and topped with a-1 sauce, even though i have no problem with the same being done to a cow, i also find sadism towards humans far more abhorrent than, say, someone breaking a dog's leg.
you must deal.
b/w none of what i wrote excuses Vick for what he did. nor did society excuse him--he was punished.
PelvicDust - you seem to hold the belief that the standards for treatment of dogs (or even all animals???) should be very close to, if not the same as, the standards for treatment of humans.
you also seem to fail to understand that other folks (and i'd include myself in this group) believe that the welfare of our own species holds much greater moral importance than the welfare of non-human species.
in the same way that i would never "humanely slaughter" another human being just because i thought parts of their flesh tasted good when cooked in oil and butter and topped with a-1 sauce, even though i have no problem with the same being done to a cow, i also find sadism towards humans far more abhorrent than, say, someone breaking a dog's leg.
you must deal.
b/w none of what i wrote excuses Vick for what he did. nor did society excuse him--he was punished.
again: you must deal.
Oh, I can deal. I just think that what Vick did sets him outside of the boundaries of decent human beings.
I'm not sure why that is controversial.
I'm not sure why anyone is willing to welcome this bag of shit back into mainstream society as though his crimes were somehow not very serious.
But I'm seeing that here over and over again. No big deal. They were only dogs. Oh, sorry, "goddamn" dogs.
I think the guy's a proven scumbag and I hope his career falls apart. Some people here want to buy his jersey and root for him openly.
I'm not sure how "dealing" means I can't continue to point out that the guy is a major maggot.
And sorry, but people ARE excusing him. And they will continue to do so as long as he's effective on the field.
And I also find sadism towards humans to be more offensive than sadism towards animals, but that's not even remotely the issue here. It is in fact a stupendously stupid objection to what I'm saying.
"How dare you object to cruelty to animals when people are also cruel to humans?" Really? Is that the point you want to make?
I'm not sure why anyone is willing to welcome this bag of shit back into mainstream society as though his crimes were somehow not very serious.
But I'm seeing that here over and over again. No big deal. They were only dogs. Oh, sorry, "goddamn" dogs.
My man, show me one instance of this. No one is welcoming him with open arms or forgetting anything. Least of which is saying "it's no big deal". I understand you're upset, but let's not go off the deep end. Yes, he's playing football again, it doesn't mean people just erase what he did from their memories. If anything it's comparable to the artists we listen to who do incredibly foul shit, but we separate the art (or in this case the craft) from the artist.
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And I also find sadism towards humans to be more offensive than sadism towards animals, but that's not even remotely the issue here. It is in fact a stupendously stupid objection to what I'm saying.
"How dare you object to cruelty to animals when people are also cruel to humans?" Really? Is that the point you want to make?
Pelvic you come off like the typical over privileged wasp who never seen or experienced anything even remotely life changing in any way shape or form. Your closet is full of cardigans and turtlenecks, you have a supreme inability to relate to anyone who is different. I cheer for Vick for a few reasons. First and foremost I like to see an ex con be able to still make a move and rebuild his life. I like the fact that he made a putrid mistake, all of his "friends" turned on him, and did everything in their power to bury him. Anyone who has been in the system knows how hard it is to pick up the pieces. Your mistake never goes away... but it's a scar not a tattoo. You don't wear that with pride. People like you should try and look at it from the other side for a change. Vick also almost got tied up in a shooting at his own birthday party a few months ago.. but it's allllllll about the god damn dogs isn't it? He may be a scumbag... but people like you are much worse.. put the gavel down chief.
If anything it's comparable to the artists we listen to who do incredibly foul shit, but we separate the art (or in this case the craft) from the artist.
This is a sentiment I've heard expressed many times on this board and it always confused me. I don't only give respect to the art, I also give it to the artist. I have musical heroes that are also a**holes. Admiration needn't be all or nothing. I admire them for their musical talent and sensibilities. I blame them for their sh*tty behavior.
Or maybe that's what you meant, Day.
Pelvicdust, do you think it could be reasonable for someone to admire Vick for his feats on the field and blame him for his crimes off it? I understand that you do not think he has suffered enough for his wrongdoings. But for those that don't wish him ill, why shouldn't they celebrate him as a football hero yet refrain from modeling their life after his?
anyone remember the thread where the guy got on his moral high horse for multiple pages railing on the porn industry and everyone in it. his swift denial of porn actresses own free will painted himself as the sexist (imo). no direct dog to porn star comparison to be made, just the general tone of this thread reminded me of the other.
Damn man - I believe in second chances - this guy fucked up, did some despicable shit, and now hes back, after paying his 'debt to society'.
You want to chew this dude up for ever and ever over this shit because it involved dogs which you seem to be hung up on?- fuck that, only someone who never found himself on the wrong side of right would be so sanctimonious.
Why take such special exception to Vick reentering society? You dont believe a killer of men can be rehabilitated either?
So I suppose you also despise veterans and ex cons and abbatoir workers?
The world is an ugly place, bad people do good things. And vice versa. People fuck up and make mistakes. Get over it.
Why take such special exception to Vick reentering society? You dont believe a killer of men can be rehabilitated either?
So I suppose you also despise veterans and ex cons and abbatoir workers?
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I believe there's a difference: most killers do not kill for fun. Do I believe someone like Chi-Ali can be rehabilitated after serving his time? Hell yes. But a well-off person who indulges his sadistic tendencies in his spare-time (e.g. Vick)? Who the hell knows.
oh - you dont think some soldiers out there kill for fun? think again.
Forest/trees? You have to realize that not all countries in the world are at war all the time (mine included), so when I think of 'killer' I think of the dude that stabbed another dude in a bar fight, not Walter from Big Lebowski. Does this change anything, though? I said most killers do not kill for fun. All sadists, on the other hand, enjoy what they do. So those 'mistakes' you speak of are not mistakes to them in the first place. So your cookie cutter logic doesn't really hold up here.
Pelvic you come off like the typical over privileged wasp who never seen or experienced anything even remotely life changing in any way shape or form. Your closet is full of cardigans and turtlenecks, you have a supreme inability to relate to anyone who is different. I cheer for Vick for a few reasons. First and foremost I like to see an ex con be able to still make a move and rebuild his life. I like the fact that he made a putrid mistake, all of his "friends" turned on him, and did everything in their power to bury him. Anyone who has been in the system knows how hard it is to pick up the pieces. Your mistake never goes away... but it's a scar not a tattoo. You don't wear that with pride. People like you should try and look at it from the other side for a change. Vick also almost got tied up in a shooting at his own birthday party a few months ago.. but it's allllllll about the god damn dogs isn't it? He may be a scumbag... but people like you are much worse.. put the gavel down chief.
I'm not a "wasp."
It's extremely funny to pretend Vick is some underdog ex-con struggling to put his life back together against long odds. The prick is making (if my memory serves me right) 5 million dollars this year.
Some struggle.
You can give the guy prostate massages all day if you want. I'll pass.
Vick didn't "make a mistake." He ran a brutal "business" for years and got his rocks off torturing animals. That's not a "mistake," it's who and what he is.
Why take such special exception to Vick reentering society? You dont believe a killer of men can be rehabilitated either?
So I suppose you also despise veterans and ex cons and abbatoir workers?
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I believe there's a difference: most killers do not kill for fun. Do I believe someone like Chi-Ali can be rehabilitated after serving his time? Hell yes. But a well-off person who indulges his sadistic tendencies in his spare-time (e.g. Vick)? Who the hell knows.
Exactly. I'm not sure why that distinction is too hard for some people to understand.
oh - you dont think some soldiers out there kill for fun? think again.
Forest/trees? You have to realize that not all countries in the world are at war all the time (mine included), so when I think of 'killer' I think of the dude that stabbed another dude in a bar fight, not Walter from Big Lebowski. Does this change anything, though? I said most killers do not kill for fun. All sadists, on the other hand, enjoy what they do. So those 'mistakes' you speak of are not mistakes to them in the first place. So your cookie cutter logic doesn't really hold up here.
Right, not even close.
And if I met a veteran who went on and on about how much he enjoyed killing I'd stay the fuck away from him.
I have two family members who were in combat in Vietnam and they don't talk about it at all, even when asked.
I understand why people jump to the meat-eating, value of human life vs animal life and rehabilitation/second-chance arguments when it comes to this. I will go out on a limb and say some people might be rooting for him due to football politics and wanting to see Vick as a successful QB. But these are peripheral to the core issue; that a human being, over a long period of time, tortured animals for personal gain. Eating meat and child molesters have nothing to do with to-the-death dog fights and orchestrating female dogs being tied down and impregnated for superior breeds.
I am actually torn between wanting to hurt Vick and institutionalizing him. I am surprised no one is discussing the stability and mental health of someone who is able to treat another living thing so brutally and watch prolonged suffering in this manner.
Vick didn???t do enough time for his crimes. Just like the countless other, less famous scumbags I read about all the time who hurt animals for kicks and/or money. Yes, I guess I will have to deal.
To me, it???s not as much about the perpetrators as it is the victims.
I am surprised no one is discussing the stability and mental health of someone who is able to treat another living thing so brutally and watch prolonged suffering in this manner.
I heard a guest on a NYC talk radio show in 2004 claim he was a "Zoosexual" and that he wanted to love, have sex with and even marry any animal he wanted......and that animals should have the same rights as humans to do so.
I thought it was a bit....a joke.
The following week there was a story about a man in the Northwest who died after having anal sex with a horse.....and supposedly it happened at a "farm" that specialized in human/animal sex encounters.
There is no shortage of sick people in the world.....and many of them have jobs.
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While we're on the somewhat macabre and disturbing subject, what happened to the Bosnian girl who threw the puppies in the river? I know she was apparently caught and was being held by authorities, but I haven't heard any news since then. Any word?
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I think your new choke collar is chafing your neck.
No, people are busting your balls because you set yourself up with this thread.
In no way am I condoning what he did, but it always trips me out when folks hold animals lives over people. Comparing Vick to a child molester is straight up ridiculous.
you also seem to fail to understand that other folks (and i'd include myself in this group) believe that the welfare of our own species holds much greater moral importance than the welfare of non-human species.
in the same way that i would never "humanely slaughter" another human being just because i thought parts of their flesh tasted good when cooked in oil and butter and topped with a-1 sauce, even though i have no problem with the same being done to a cow, i also find sadism towards humans far more abhorrent than, say, someone breaking a dog's leg.
you must deal.
b/w none of what i wrote excuses Vick for what he did. nor did society excuse him--he was punished.
again: you must deal.
Oh, I can deal. I just think that what Vick did sets him outside of the boundaries of decent human beings.
I'm not sure why that is controversial.
I'm not sure why anyone is willing to welcome this bag of shit back into mainstream society as though his crimes were somehow not very serious.
But I'm seeing that here over and over again. No big deal. They were only dogs. Oh, sorry, "goddamn" dogs.
I think the guy's a proven scumbag and I hope his career falls apart. Some people here want to buy his jersey and root for him openly.
I'm not sure how "dealing" means I can't continue to point out that the guy is a major maggot.
And sorry, but people ARE excusing him. And they will continue to do so as long as he's effective on the field.
And I also find sadism towards humans to be more offensive than sadism towards animals, but that's not even remotely the issue here. It is in fact a stupendously stupid objection to what I'm saying.
"How dare you object to cruelty to animals when people are also cruel to humans?" Really? Is that the point you want to make?
It's not worth making.
My man, show me one instance of this. No one is welcoming him with open arms or forgetting anything. Least of which is saying "it's no big deal". I understand you're upset, but let's not go off the deep end. Yes, he's playing football again, it doesn't mean people just erase what he did from their memories. If anything it's comparable to the artists we listen to who do incredibly foul shit, but we separate the art (or in this case the craft) from the artist.
Did you yourself not make that comparison?
This is a sentiment I've heard expressed many times on this board and it always confused me. I don't only give respect to the art, I also give it to the artist. I have musical heroes that are also a**holes. Admiration needn't be all or nothing. I admire them for their musical talent and sensibilities. I blame them for their sh*tty behavior.
Or maybe that's what you meant, Day.
Pelvicdust, do you think it could be reasonable for someone to admire Vick for his feats on the field and blame him for his crimes off it? I understand that you do not think he has suffered enough for his wrongdoings. But for those that don't wish him ill, why shouldn't they celebrate him as a football hero yet refrain from modeling their life after his?
You want to chew this dude up for ever and ever over this shit because it involved dogs which you seem to be hung up on?- fuck that, only someone who never found himself on the wrong side of right would be so sanctimonious.
Why take such special exception to Vick reentering society? You dont believe a killer of men can be rehabilitated either?
So I suppose you also despise veterans and ex cons and abbatoir workers?
The world is an ugly place, bad people do good things. And vice versa. People fuck up and make mistakes. Get over it.
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I believe there's a difference: most killers do not kill for fun. Do I believe someone like Chi-Ali can be rehabilitated after serving his time? Hell yes. But a well-off person who indulges his sadistic tendencies in his spare-time (e.g. Vick)? Who the hell knows.
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Forest/trees? You have to realize that not all countries in the world are at war all the time (mine included), so when I think of 'killer' I think of the dude that stabbed another dude in a bar fight, not Walter from Big Lebowski. Does this change anything, though? I said most killers do not kill for fun. All sadists, on the other hand, enjoy what they do. So those 'mistakes' you speak of are not mistakes to them in the first place. So your cookie cutter logic doesn't really hold up here.
Maybe one day Bull Fighting will be a big sport here.
Ron Mexico would make a hell of a bullfighter name.
interesting. I remember Whoopi Goldberg making some bullshit, ignorant ass argument that Vick's arrest was an attack on African American culture...
I'm not a "wasp."
It's extremely funny to pretend Vick is some underdog ex-con struggling to put his life back together against long odds. The prick is making (if my memory serves me right) 5 million dollars this year.
Some struggle.
You can give the guy prostate massages all day if you want. I'll pass.
Vick didn't "make a mistake." He ran a brutal "business" for years and got his rocks off torturing animals. That's not a "mistake," it's who and what he is.
Exactly. I'm not sure why that distinction is too hard for some people to understand.
Right, not even close.
And if I met a veteran who went on and on about how much he enjoyed killing I'd stay the fuck away from him.
I have two family members who were in combat in Vietnam and they don't talk about it at all, even when asked.
I am actually torn between wanting to hurt Vick and institutionalizing him. I am surprised no one is discussing the stability and mental health of someone who is able to treat another living thing so brutally and watch prolonged suffering in this manner.
Vick didn???t do enough time for his crimes. Just like the countless other, less famous scumbags I read about all the time who hurt animals for kicks and/or money. Yes, I guess I will have to deal.
To me, it???s not as much about the perpetrators as it is the victims.
Football is a brutal sport.
I thought it was a bit....a joke.
The following week there was a story about a man in the Northwest who died after having anal sex with a horse.....and supposedly it happened at a "farm" that specialized in human/animal sex encounters.
There is no shortage of sick people in the world.....and many of them have jobs.