Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121b,121As humans we MUST be able to judge people and their actions, we MUST be able to stand up and say something is wrong and it deserves punishment. And we MUST be the ones to dole out that punishment. HERE ON EARTH.b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121See, that's the attitude that concerns [i]me/i1. I don't believe in the black and white right/wrong mentality that you do. An action which I would consider wrong in one situation, I might consider right in another. I don't trust all lawyers, judges, and jurors to have the ability to detect the uniqueness and subtleties of every case. b,121b,121However, in the spirit of my earlier comments, I don't mean to say that you are wrong in feeling the way you do, rather that your views don't feel like a good fit for me. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121But what's the alternative?b,121b,121Never punishing anyone for their actions?b,121b,121I hope you trust YOURSELF more than you appear to trust others.b,121b,121By not participating, your putting things completely in their hands.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121b,121As humans we MUST be able to judge people and their actions, we MUST be able to stand up and say something is wrong and it deserves punishment. And we MUST be the ones to dole out that punishment. HERE ON EARTH.b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121See, that's the attitude that concerns [i]me/i1. I don't believe in the black and white right/wrong mentality that you do. An action which I would consider wrong in one situation, I might consider right in another. I don't trust all lawyers, judges, and jurors to have the ability to detect the uniqueness and subtleties of every case. b,121b,121However, in the spirit of my earlier comments, I don't mean to say that you are wrong in feeling the way you do, rather that your views don't feel like a good fit for me. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121All the more reason to make sure your views are presented. To me, that is the backbone of the judicial system, the idea that several people are presented with facts and have to come to a joint conclusion based on those facts. Yes, yes, I know all about how things get twisted, etc etc, but at it's core, it relies on the idea that different people's perspectives are taken into account and questions will be asked. Most cases aren't deep questions of justice, they are just trying to get to the bottom of two conflicting stories...which car pulled into the other first and who looked/didn't look where. That kind of shit. Still requires reasoned people who aren't afraid to participate in their community. Hell, if it was all people who wanted to get revenge on people, that would suck, and if it was all people who are all hippied out and "judge not", that would suck as well. The system would seem to create a situation where the jurors need to work together and put a lot of that shit aside.b,121b,121I HATE being called up, or even the idea of having to do it, and being in DC, I have the added risk of getting called for Fed Grand Juries/Fed Cases which can run MONTHS. But what can you do? It's part of living in this country.
I say we change the rules and make it so people unwilling to participate or respond to a jury summons are no longer entitled to a jury.b,121b,121Being called in for jury duty isn't really that big a thing, there are many ways to get out of it and you might not even get selected. They can't call you for a couple years after you go so whats the deal?b,121b,121b,121You may never need a jury to decide your fate but if you're not going to stand up for your rights then you probably shouldn't be standing up for anyone else's anyways. Its probably a good thing people like Dustdigger don't participate.b,121b,121b,121Its not to say I haven't been annoyed by being called or haven't tried getting out of it. I have seen the error of my ways though.b,121b,121b,121Shit or get off the pot.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121Its probably a good thing people like Driftwood don't participate. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121I said essentially the same thing earlier in this thread. Only people who are committed and focused on the task should accept the duty. It's too important a process for people like me who would rather be elsewhere. b,121b,121As for having no jury for those who skip jury duty--I have no problem with that.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121Personal attacks? Jesus, dude, you need to sac up if you are taking up any kind of residency around here! I don't know you and vice versa. If you don't want to be called out don't step up and say stupid shit! I haven't said anything about your looks, your family, your race, your sexual preference, your hometown, or anything personal. I commented soley on the views YOU put out there, which were and are patently ridiculous. Ok, so I called into question how smart you are(n't), and if I upset your precious equilibrium, I am surely sorry. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121You didn't comment solely on the views I put out there when you say shit like 'who is this clown?' or calling me 'motherfuckin-theresa' in your first post in the thread. How is that not a personal attack? You are incredibly stupid and you argue like a child. I look forward to laughing at your next post. b,121b,121Plaese to have more Birdman postings. Shit is amusing!
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121Personal attacks? Jesus, dude, you need to sac up if you are taking up any kind of residency around here! I don't know you and vice versa. If you don't want to be called out don't step up and say stupid shit! I haven't said anything about your looks, your family, your race, your sexual preference, your hometown, or anything personal. I commented soley on the views YOU put out there, which were and are patently ridiculous. Ok, so I called into question how smart you are(n't), and if I upset your precious equilibrium, I am surely sorry. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121You didn't comment solely on the views I put out there when you say shit like 'who is this clown?' or calling me 'motherfuckin-theresa' in your first post in the thread. How is that not a personal attack? You are incredibly stupid and you argue like a child. I look forward to laughing at your next post. b,121b,121Plaese to have more Birdman postings. Shit is amusing! b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Anyone who puts their record of volunteerism into a thread about ignoring a simple fusking civic duty(which, in case you forgot, YOU did) deserves all the derision you have gotten in this thread. It's far from just me clowning you, I was simply quoting an earlier thread(actual quote "Who is this clown?"). And there is no argument, if you choose to ignore requirements from a government entity, you get into trouble. Only children (stupid ones at that) would imagine that to be untrue. You can have all the half assed opinions about the value of the system, but even someone of your meager critical thinking talents can see that it doesn't make the reality any less real. But hey, you have records to dig for, your time is precious! Don't sweat it, the adults will wipe your ass for you as they always have.b,121b,121Based soley on your contributions to this thread, you are an imbecile. Ask around, plenty of folks here who would back up that opinion of you.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121 It's too important a process for people like me who would rather be elsewhere. b,121b,121As for having no jury for those who skip jury duty--I have no problem with that. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121Good God---what are you, ten years old??
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121Personal attacks? Jesus, dude, you need to sac up if you are taking up any kind of residency around here! I don't know you and vice versa. If you don't want to be called out don't step up and say stupid shit! I haven't said anything about your looks, your family, your race, your sexual preference, your hometown, or anything personal. I commented soley on the views YOU put out there, which were and are patently ridiculous. Ok, so I called into question how smart you are(n't), and if I upset your precious equilibrium, I am surely sorry. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121You didn't comment solely on the views I put out there when you say shit like 'who is this clown?' or calling me 'motherfuckin-theresa' in your first post in the thread. How is that not a personal attack? You are incredibly stupid and you argue like a child. I look forward to laughing at your next post. b,121b,121Plaese to have more Birdman postings. Shit is amusing! b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Anyone who puts their record of volunteerism into a thread about ignoring a simple fusking civic duty(which, in case you forgot, YOU did) deserves all the derision you have gotten in this thread. It's far from just me clowning you, I was simply quoting an earlier thread(actual quote "Who is this clown?"). And there is no argument, if you choose to ignore requirements from a government entity, you get into trouble. Only children (stupid ones at that) would imagine that to be untrue. You can have all the half assed opinions about the value of the system, but even someone of your meager critical thinking talents can see that it doesn't make the reality any less real. But hey, you have records to dig for, your time is precious! Don't sweat it, the adults will wipe your ass for you as they always have.b,121b,121Based soley on your contributions to this thread, you are an imbecile. Ask around, plenty of folks here who would back up that opinion of you. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/841.gif" alt="" 21
Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121b,121And there is no argument, if you choose to ignore requirements from a government entity, you get into trouble. /b1b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^b,121Spoken like a true genius.b,121b,121I guess you've never smoked pot or downloaded music/movies etc?b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/suspect5es.gif" alt="" 21b,121b,121Are you an agent of the RIAA infiltrating the strut?b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badassbuddy_com-riaa.gif" alt="" 21
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121b,121And there is no argument, if you choose to ignore requirements from a government entity, you get into trouble. /b1b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^b,121Spoken like a true genius.b,121b,121I guess you've never smoked pot or downloaded music/movies etc?b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/suspect5es.gif" alt="" 21b,121b,121Are you an agent of the RIAA infiltrating the strut?b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badassbuddy_com-riaa.gif" alt="" 21 b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121I guess your reading skills aren't good either, at least your comprehension. Those things have nothing to do with the discussion at hand. This is about what happens if you get caught, son. if you got pinched for possession of weed, you gonna ignore your court date, Brainiac? Hey, weed should be legal, so this piece of paper telling me to show up at a guvernmint building on a certain day at a certain time is just, y'know, so limiting to guy whose time is better served down at the local rec center helping out underpriveleged kids (hey, maybe their parents got records!)! Because of course the rest of us who schlep down there are suckers who are intensely interested in civic duty. Yeah, right.b,121b,121You can say it shouldn't be required to go in for jury duty, but it is, just like we can all wish that weed was legal, but most places it ain't yet. Let me reiterate for you again: I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU DO OR DO NOT DO. But to tell other people it ain't a big deal is just stupid. And actually, at this point, all this is about is how dense you wanna act. I ain't even buyin' it anymore. Shit, if you got a letter that even looked halfway official, you would be so shook you wouldn't even be able to hold on to it.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121 Hey, weed should be legal, so this piece of paper telling me to show up at a guvernmint building on a certain day at a certain time is just, y'know, so limiting to guy whose time is better served down at the local rec center helping out underpriveleged kids (hey, maybe their parents got records!)! Because of course the rest of us who schlep down there are suckers who are intensely interested in civic duty. Yeah, right. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121Yes. That is exactly what I've been trying to say in this thread all along. Ignore the law. Do whatever you want. There won't be any repercussions.b,121b,121/font1
Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121You can say it shouldn't be required to go in for jury duty b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1 I haven't said that in this whole thread.b,121b,121/font1
Quote:/font1h,121b,121 Shit, if you got a letter that even looked halfway official, you would be so shook you wouldn't even be able to hold on to it. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121You have no way of knowing that. You're just saying shit to say shit, like in the rest of your posts on this thread. b,121b,121But I do think you may be an agent, Dudley Do Right, based on your 'abide' avatar, and your 'respect the law or else' shit.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121 Hey, weed should be legal, so this piece of paper telling me to show up at a guvernmint building on a certain day at a certain time is just, y'know, so limiting to guy whose time is better served down at the local rec center helping out underpriveleged kids (hey, maybe their parents got records!)! Because of course the rest of us who schlep down there are suckers who are intensely interested in civic duty. Yeah, right. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121Yes. That is exactly what I've been trying to say in this thread all along. Ignore the law. Do whatever you want. There won't be any repercussions.b,121b,121/font1
Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121You can say it shouldn't be required to go in for jury duty b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1 I haven't said that in this whole thread.b,121b,121/font1
Quote:/font1h,121b,121 Shit, if you got a letter that even looked halfway official, you would be so shook you wouldn't even be able to hold on to it. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121You have no way of knowing that. You're just saying shit to say shit, like in the rest of your posts on this thread. b,121b,121But I do think you may be an agent, Dudley Do Right, based on your 'abide' avatar, and your 'respect the law or else' shit. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121LOLb,121b,121Now I know this a joke. Who's alias is this? No one is this stupid.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121b,121Now I know this a joke. Who's alias is this? No one is this stupid. /b1b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121You are. Now let's just agree to disagree on all matters pertaining to this thread, Birdman.b,121b,121another img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/formpager3xk.gif" alt="" 21 to follow....
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121Please feel free to have the last word. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1 b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121You're absolutely right, rock. But this Birdman is just too much fun. I can't help myself!
It's one thing to avoid serving on a jury, but bragging about it in a self righteous manner is weaksauce and NAGL all rolled up into one. And not something to be proud of.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121It's one thing to avoid serving on a jury, but bragging about it in a self righteous manner is weaksauce and NAGL all rolled up into one. And not something to be proud of. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cos3ve.gif" alt="" 21b,121b,121I agree. However, I don't think I bragged about skipping jury duty. If I did, I didn't mean to. b,121b,121I probably did come off like some self-righteous prick at times in this thread, and I'm not proud of that, and it definitely was not my intent. There's lots of room for personal growth on my end. b,121b,121It's not always easy to argue a point when shit gets heated. And it's doubly hard when you hold an unpopular viewpoint AND you're a passionate (or stubborn if you like) dude. b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yaoming.gif" alt="" 21b,121b,121Sorry to anyone on the strut who I've offended intentionally or otherwise.
if you skipped jury duty, your name should roll over for the next mailings. most people that i have talked to actually like serving on a jury and appreciate learning about the legal process. b,121b,121also, i've been in court when judges have held jurors in contempt for lying to the court as a means to get out of serving. keep that in mind.b,121b,121i have jury duty on wednesday at 815am (criminal court), after flying in from mexico at 1am tues night. someone is getting convicted!
Quote:/font1h,121b,121if you skipped jury duty, your name should roll over for the next mailings. most people that i have talked to actually like serving on a jury and appreciate learning about the legal process. b,121b,121also, i've been in court when judges have held jurors in contempt for lying to the court as a means to get out of serving. keep that in mind.b,121b,121i have jury duty on wednesday at 815am (criminal court), after flying in from mexico at 1am tues night. someone is getting convicted! b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121I would just like to add here that Driftwood is a brainless twat.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121if you skipped jury duty, your name should roll over for the next mailings. most people that i have talked to actually like serving on a jury and appreciate learning about the legal process. b,121b,121also, i've been in court when judges have held jurors in contempt for lying to the court as a means to get out of serving. keep that in mind.b,121b,121i have jury duty on wednesday at 815am (criminal court), after flying in from mexico at 1am tues night. someone is getting convicted! b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121I would just like to add here that Driftwood is a brainless twat. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Classy. b,121b,121I've heard worse things from better people.b,121b,121b/wb,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/f-u.gif" alt="" 21 cunt rat.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121if you skipped jury duty, your name should roll over for the next mailings. most people that i have talked to actually like serving on a jury and appreciate learning about the legal process. b,121b,121also, i've been in court when judges have held jurors in contempt for lying to the court as a means to get out of serving. keep that in mind.b,121b,121i have jury duty on wednesday at 815am (criminal court), after flying in from mexico at 1am tues night. someone is getting convicted! b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121I would just like to add here that Driftwood is a brainless twat. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Classy. b,121b,121I've heard worse things from better people.b,121b,121b/wb,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/f-u.gif" alt="" 21 cunt rat. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121LOL getting called a cunt by an alias. Bring back Sabadaba, this spoiled kid can't even get under my skin.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121if you skipped jury duty, your name should roll over for the next mailings. most people that i have talked to actually like serving on a jury and appreciate learning about the legal process. b,121b,121also, i've been in court when judges have held jurors in contempt for lying to the court as a means to get out of serving. keep that in mind.b,121b,121i have jury duty on wednesday at 815am (criminal court), after flying in from mexico at 1am tues night. someone is getting convicted! b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121I would just like to add here that Driftwood is a brainless twat. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Classy. b,121b,121I've heard worse things from better people.b,121b,121b/wb,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/f-u.gif" alt="" 21 cunt rat. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121LOL getting called a cunt by an alias. Bring back Sabadaba, this spoiled kid can't even get under my skin. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121You still have skin after all the jerking off to The Big Lebowski you've done since that movie came out, fanboy? b,121b,121Take a hike, Agent Birdman. (That's how you and the RIAA agents talk, right?)
yea so i called them and said "i dont have transportation" and i am over an hour awayb,121b,121and they said "ok we removed u from the list"b,121b,121haha too easy!
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121if you skipped jury duty, your name should roll over for the next mailings. most people that i have talked to actually like serving on a jury and appreciate learning about the legal process. b,121b,121also, i've been in court when judges have held jurors in contempt for lying to the court as a means to get out of serving. keep that in mind.b,121b,121i have jury duty on wednesday at 815am (criminal court), after flying in from mexico at 1am tues night. someone is getting convicted! b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121I would just like to add here that Driftwood is a brainless twat. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Classy. b,121b,121I've heard worse things from better people.b,121b,121b/wb,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/f-u.gif" alt="" 21 cunt rat. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121LOL getting called a cunt by an alias. Bring back Sabadaba, this spoiled kid can't even get under my skin. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21You still have skin after all the jerking off to The Big Lebowski you've done since that movie came out, fanboy? b,121b,121Take a hike, Agent Birdman. (That's how you and the RIAA agents talk, right?) b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Well, I'll be....you finally grasped the reference to the Big Lebowski 'ABIDE' avatar, after not grasping it earlier. Glad to see you've been doing your research AND riding my jock as hard as you can. Thank you for the concern about my genitals. I can see why you might want to make sure they were ok after swinging on them for 5 pages or so.b,121b,121Don't worry, son, you are a featherweight. No one will miss you when you get bored around here.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121yea so i called them and said "i dont have transportation" and i am over an hour awayb,121b,121and they said "ok we removed u from the list"b,121b,121haha too easy! b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121Driftwood would have had his Moms call them for him. You exerted too much energy man.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121yea so i called them and said "i dont have transportation" and i am over an hour awayb,121b,121and they said "ok we removed u from the list"b,121b,121haha too easy! b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121Driftwood would have had his Moms call them for him. You exerted too much energy man. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121He could have used Driftwood's mom for transportation since she's a camel.b,121b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" 21
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