Caring too much about animals is soft. Vick should get a moderate fine at most.
snore.
poking a hornet's nest in an ebay thread is entertaining. this is juvenile.
I can't cosign on Rey's blase-ness but I do think there's a double-standard operating here. I'm certainly not defending dog fighting or Vick's culpability in this particular operation but like I said, athletes have gotten away with all kinds of dirt and kept their careers. I think our society tends to go nuts when it comes to dog cruelty but practically don't bat an eye at a lot of other shit that happens to, you know, people.
athletes have gotten away with all kinds of dirt and kept their careers.
No one is taking his career away though. Given what he was facing, Vick is gonna skate as far as prison time. A hefty suspension from the NFL is fitting given how they've run their business in the PacMan/Goodell era. His lack of true QB skills and diminished athleticism in the years away are what might keep him from returning.
Vick should run his "organization" like Ray Ray. That dude KILLED a dude and got away w/ it by putting it on his homies. Allegedly.
Caring too much about animals is soft. Vick should get a moderate fine at most.
snore.
poking a hornet's nest in an ebay thread is entertaining. this is juvenile.
I can't cosign on Rey's blase-ness but I do think there's a double-standard operating here. I'm certainly not defending dog fighting or Vick's culpability in this particular operation but like I said, athletes have gotten away with all kinds of dirt and kept their careers. I think our society tends to go nuts when it comes to dog cruelty but practically don't bat an eye at a lot of other shit that happens to, you know, people.
I agree with this 100%, but found this a much more appropriate jumping off point than Rey's nonsense.
This is obviously a horrible act; and Vick deserves to be punished. But, I have found the hew and cry about dog fighting way over the top. It feels like the media is trying too hard to take this seriously, lest they look like Rey. So, suddenly, this is the worst crime ever committed, and the myriad episodes of spousal abuse in the NFL become truly blase.
I also think there IS a cultural/racial element at work, where many people don't understand a culture that condones dog fighting. Rather than even ATTEMPTING to understand where that behavior may come from, there is a rush to condemn and villify.
I saw some dude rocking a Vick jersey in line at the bank Saturday. He looked nervous. Jackass. What's the appropriate reaction to that? Is it anyone's place to say anything?
"Yo, where did you get that?" I can put this next to my OJ,Len Bias, and John Rocker gear.
Caring too much about animals is soft. Vick should get a moderate fine at most.
snore.
poking a hornet's nest in an ebay thread is entertaining. this is juvenile.
I can't cosign on Rey's blase-ness but I do think there's a double-standard operating here. I'm certainly not defending dog fighting or Vick's culpability in this particular operation but like I said, athletes have gotten away with all kinds of dirt and kept their careers. I think our society tends to go nuts when it comes to dog cruelty but practically don't bat an eye at a lot of other shit that happens to, you know, people.
I agree with this 100%, but found this a much more appropriate jumping off point than Rey's nonsense.
This is obviously a horrible act; and Vick deserves to be punished. But, I have found the hew and cry about dog fighting way over the top. It feels like the media is trying too hard to take this seriously, lest they look like Rey. So, suddenly, this is the worst crime ever committed, and the myriad episodes of spousal abuse in the NFL become truly blase.
I also think there IS a cultural/racial element at work, where many people don't understand a culture that condones dog fighting. Rather than even ATTEMPTING to understand where that behavior may come from, there is a rush to condemn and villify.
im not very enlightened to the world of dog fighting besides what ive read and seen but which culture(s) think dog fights are okay? i really have no idea and am curious.
i agree theyre wrong im just curious as to potna deuces info. i have relatives in the phillipines who do this on a regular basis but i dont think its legal.
I have found the hew and cry about dog fighting way over the top. It feels like the media is trying too hard to take this seriously, lest they look like Rey. So, suddenly, this is the worst crime ever committed, and the myriad episodes of spousal abuse in the NFL become truly blase.
I also think there IS a cultural/racial element at work, where many people don't understand a culture that condones dog fighting. Rather than even ATTEMPTING to understand where that behavior may come from, there is a rush to condemn and villify.
This is not just about dog-fighting, it is about a man who beat, electrocuted, drowned and hung dogs that did not perform to his liking. What would be an appropriate reaction that you would not deem to be over the top?
What do you think is the racial element? Is there a race that fights dogs MORE than another and is prone to cruelty to animals? And unless you are speaking about violent macho culture, then I am not sure which culture you are refering to either. Dog fighting happens all over the world - from Japan to Russia, Afghanistan to England.
I understand why violence against humans is brought up, namely domestic abuse; perhaps the imbalance in media attention and public outcry has more to do with the lack of importance and silent acceptance of violence against women and children within the home rather than more importance put on dog cruelty. And as far as the amount of attention paid to this (operating on the 'more media attention = more important' model), it is quite possible that victims of violence in the home and those of sexual assault, etc. do not want to go through the public ordeal of laying charges, a trial, etc. - so it stays out of police stations and courts to avoid the media glare and prolonging the nightmare.
It certainly appears that there are those in this country that think dogfighting and cockfighting are okay. hell, cockfighting is still legal (barely) in Louisiana.
I'm not condoning this; but, there are places, seemingly those in the South, where this exists as a way of life. It is a fringe element, but seemingly, in significant enough number to warrant actual discussion over knee jerk reaction.
Boxing involves humans who have agreed to get in the ring. Dogs, roosters, etc are not given a choice.
Saying - these kinds of arguments lead down a pretty slippery slope. If cockfighting is bad then can anyone reasonably defend the poultry industry?
Obviously, we make all kinds of moral distinctions that are to our convenience (I am not a vegetarian, for example) but to use the example above, watching two adults slug it out in the boxing ring creates the same kind of attraction as watching a bunch of dogs bite it out. The agency of the participants may not be equal but I don't think it's a stretch to compare the two.
It certainly appears that there are those in this country that think dogfighting and cockfighting are okay. hell, cockfighting is still legal (barely) in Louisiana.
I'm not condoning this; but, there are places, seemingly those in the South, where this exists as a way of life. It is a fringe element, but seemingly, in significant enough number to warrant actual discussion over knee jerk reaction.
dude the south as a whole is pretty broad to consider it as a place where its condoned. I lived there for years and never came in contact with dog fighting and I knew some backwoods folks that you would probably assume would be ok with it. I can guarantee if you had lived there a vast majority of the people would be against it.
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no doubt. I was kididng.
I can't cosign on Rey's blase-ness but I do think there's a double-standard operating here. I'm certainly not defending dog fighting or Vick's culpability in this particular operation but like I said, athletes have gotten away with all kinds of dirt and kept their careers. I think our society tends to go nuts when it comes to dog cruelty but practically don't bat an eye at a lot of other shit that happens to, you know, people.
2009 Canadian Football League's Most Outstanding Player award and Grey Cup champion with the Toronto Argonauts.
No one is taking his career away though. Given what he was facing, Vick is gonna skate as far as prison time. A hefty suspension from the NFL is fitting given how they've run their business in the PacMan/Goodell era. His lack of true QB skills and diminished athleticism in the years away are what might keep him from returning.
Vick should run his "organization" like Ray Ray. That dude KILLED a dude and got away w/ it by putting it on his homies. Allegedly.
I agree with this 100%, but found this a much more appropriate jumping off point than Rey's nonsense.
This is obviously a horrible act; and Vick deserves to be punished. But, I have found the hew and cry about dog fighting way over the top. It feels like the media is trying too hard to take this seriously, lest they look like Rey. So, suddenly, this is the worst crime ever committed, and the myriad episodes of spousal abuse in the NFL become truly blase.
I also think there IS a cultural/racial element at work, where many people don't understand a culture that condones dog fighting. Rather than even ATTEMPTING to understand where that behavior may come from, there is a rush to condemn and villify.
Of course not.
It affects weekday news shows on ESPN and such who blahblahblah about it too much but it doesn't affect my anticipation of the season one iota.
"Yo, where did you get that?" I can put this next to my OJ,Len Bias, and John Rocker gear.
Will teams slack a little when playin against Atlanta?
You're saying they don't already do that?
im not very enlightened to the world of dog fighting besides what ive read and seen but which culture(s) think dog fights are okay? i really have no idea and am curious.
who cares? they're wrong.
Like Boxing?
All cultures know boxing is cool.
i agree theyre wrong im just curious as to potna deuces info. i have relatives in the phillipines who do this on a regular basis but i dont think its legal.
Boxing involves humans who have agreed to get in the ring. Dogs, roosters, etc are not given a choice.
This is not just about dog-fighting, it is about a man who beat, electrocuted, drowned and hung dogs that did not perform to his liking. What would be an appropriate reaction that you would not deem to be over the top?
What do you think is the racial element? Is there a race that fights dogs MORE than another and is prone to cruelty to animals? And unless you are speaking about violent macho culture, then I am not sure which culture you are refering to either. Dog fighting happens all over the world - from Japan to Russia, Afghanistan to England.
I understand why violence against humans is brought up, namely domestic abuse; perhaps the imbalance in media attention and public outcry has more to do with the lack of importance and silent acceptance of violence against women and children within the home rather than more importance put on dog cruelty. And as far as the amount of attention paid to this (operating on the 'more media attention = more important' model), it is quite possible that victims of violence in the home and those of sexual assault, etc. do not want to go through the public ordeal of laying charges, a trial, etc. - so it stays out of police stations and courts to avoid the media glare and prolonging the nightmare.
He's fucked either way.
I'm not condoning this; but, there are places, seemingly those in the South, where this exists as a way of life. It is a fringe element, but seemingly, in significant enough number to warrant actual discussion over knee jerk reaction.
What about Siamese fighting fish? Are they coaxed by humans or is it nature?
Animal Planet has animal fights as entertainment right?
Saying - these kinds of arguments lead down a pretty slippery slope. If cockfighting is bad then can anyone reasonably defend the poultry industry?
Obviously, we make all kinds of moral distinctions that are to our convenience (I am not a vegetarian, for example) but to use the example above, watching two adults slug it out in the boxing ring creates the same kind of attraction as watching a bunch of dogs bite it out. The agency of the participants may not be equal but I don't think it's a stretch to compare the two.
dude the south as a whole is pretty broad to consider it as a place where its condoned. I lived there for years and never came in contact with dog fighting and I knew some backwoods folks that you would probably assume would be ok with it. I can guarantee if you had lived there a vast majority of the people would be against it.
Lets try again.
where exactly is it looked on as ok?
How is this at all similar to spousal abuse?
Imagine the outcry if he electrocuted, drowned, and hung his wife. I'm sure it would eclipse all this.
You think Vick will hang a picture of O.J. in his cell??
Just sayin......
It is not. I am saying it is more than a dog-fighting issue.
I did not bring up the spousal abuse comparison, I responded to it later in my post though.