L.A. Riots Part II?
NateBizzo
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Tookie's bid for clemency got rejected. Discuss.
NateBizzo
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There have been "threats" of violence if he is not given clemency.
No great surprise, but it's bullshit.
I don't think there will be rioting cause the alleged crimes took place so long ago, whereas when people got really heated during the riots it was cause of crimes EVERYONE saw with the verdict proving injustices that had become de facto.
There used to be protests and moral outrage over this type of "justice". Now Snoop wears a shirt and that's how many know about this case. Complacency. . .
I shouldn't be surprised but really thought Arnold was going to do it. Guess it was just posturing.
but... you really can't blame the Governator though, because even Clinton rejected clemencys as a governor. since the 1970's, governors will only allow clemency if there was foul play in the trial, tampering with evidence, etc.
a few exceptions were Illinois and Ohio (I think) where outgoing governors gave clemency to everyone on death row b/c they were against the death penalty on principle
A FOUR YEAR OLD.
He should die.
The death penalty is a hard topic to discuss because despite the fact that killing is wrong and the justice system is flawed, some motherfuckers deserve to die.
I don't think Tookie should die personally, but then again, he did'nt kill my grandparents.
Who deserves to live or die for their crimes and what crimes deserve the death penalty?
Like I said, it's a touchy subject.
I agree that some people, maybe even Tookie deserve, or at least deserved to die. But they can live in prison. Death is an easy way out. My biggest problem with the death penalty is the state can't be trusted not to kill innocent people. The system is faulty.
And if we are going to "murder" murderers, at least do it swiftly. Not a 2 generations later. It's wrong on so many levels.
And about the girl, that is disgusting and very sad. My heart goes out to her.
That is horrible.
me too...
and I also think everyone's death row sentences should be commuted to life without parole.
But listening to people talk about what a great guy a career criminal is while practically ignoring his crimes is getting pretty old. I understand that Tookie claims his innocence and all, but his case was pretty solidly tried from all I have read and watched.It's an old cliche, but practically EVERYONE in prison claims they were innocent. This is NOT a Mumia case or something similarly overtly [/b]political(like Geronimo Pratt or Leonard Peltier).
I applaud dude's moves to direct kids away from the folly of gang life and a career of crime, but some people are being led to believe that he is wrongly imprisoned, and this perspective is just plain untrue. And while I agree his sentence should be commuted, to me the real story is the injustice of the Death Penalty, not the injustice of Stanley Williams' being in prison.
Cold blooded killer
Flawed logic.
Two seperate issues here. Faux, will you hold this guy's hand?
death is too light a punishment for someone who does that
While the system, I believe, more often than not can determine within a reasonable doubt if someone has killed someone else(and is therefore a 'killer'), I am uncomfortable with the notion of the system being able to reasonably determine if said killer is indeed, 'coldblooded'.
Indeed, it is the very 'hot-blooded' nature of some people's emotional state that creates a lot of unneeded violence and crime. I bet most 'coldblooded' killers aren't even in jail.
Honestly, I have huge HUGE HUGE[/b] problems with the prison system.
I mean really huge. So when I say this please forgive...
... but for this guy, the treatment he would get if he went to prison would be infinitely worse than if he was executed.
I think one can be pro-choice and anti-capital punishment without hypocrisy...is human life that cut and dry to you? Not an attack - a serious question.
you have a point, shits that do things to kids do not have an easy time of it behind bars
People need to realize this kind of thing happens a lot more than they think.
Is any punishment going to stop horrible crimes from happening? That is the logic of most death penalty proponents, which I feel is disingenuous. I can at least understand the logic of revenge, and extermination of a specific problem. as flawed as it may be. It is more honest than using the Penalty as a preventative measure. It doesn't stop shit.
Tookie's Crips 1,000+ Murders
State Of California 10 Executions
State Of California 13 Death Row Suicides
Tookie turned his life around.....didn't write a book himself but spoke to a writer long enough to get his name on the writing credits.....his new found respect for society is why he made the statement this week asking for people to NOT riot if his sentence was carried out.(You guys read that....right??)
Last "celebrity" Death Row prisoner here in Tejas was Karla Faye Tucker a sweet young CHRISTIAN girl who killed a man with a pick-ax to the head and claimed she had an orgasm while doing it.....the usual suspect Hollywood crowd rallied for her too.....didn't work.....good riddance.
Our country is seriously fucked up when the same people who want a 14 year old girl to be able to get an abortion without her parents knowledge want to save the life of the founder of the most murderous civilian gang of our lifetime.
Wake the hell up!!!
Really not that cut and dry, dog. Not in the least.
Watch this hypocrasy...
How many of you would support giving George W. Bush the Death Penalty??
I'm gonna drink a shot of JD for every yes answer......GO!!