A Scorcese level treatment of either would be great.
DocMcCoy"Go and laugh in your own country!" 5,913 Posts
Rockadelic said:
I wanna see a flick about the Pharaoh's M/C Club.
Or a Ching-A-Ling Nomads movie.
A Scorcese level treatment of either would be great.
Now that Sons Of Anarchy is hitting, it won't be long before you see something like the former.
Just to go off-topic for a moment, one of the things that struck me about SOA was just how underexplored the biker gang as an aspect of onscreen American popular culture has been. Apart from The Wild One and Easy Rider, the genre's pretty much been left to b-movie types like Roger Corman, which is odd when you think of how it's such an obvious vehicle for explorations of the frontier/outlaw myth, as well as symbolising a broadly libertarian and anti-authoritarian idea of freedom.
I just watched Goodfellas for the first time last week. I think that makes me the blaquest caucazoid of all times.
or a moran.
It was cool to read this GQ thing, with the movie so fresh in my mind.
As for the movie, it's weird. I knew half the lines, due to my life among the caucazoids batmon mentioned. I've never thought the EYE-FUCKIN-TALIAN character to be all that interesting, and don't really enjoy watching violence. He's got a point (not to say that merely linking this GQ article was evidence of caucasoidal italo-gangsterlove...), this stuff may be a little undeserving of its longevity. But: I will say this Goodfellas shit was good.
MY REVIEW OF GOODFELLAS: THE SHIT WAS GOOD.
The thing about the neighbor shining his car being "some Julliard guy," and being terrified of Ray Liotta: I really did see that in that scene. The dude was absolutely scared out of his mind.
A Scorcese level treatment of either would be great.
Now that Sons Of Anarchy is hitting, it won't be long before you see something like the former.
Just to go off-topic for a moment, one of the things that struck me about SOA was just how underexplored the biker gang as an aspect of onscreen American popular culture has been. Apart from The Wild One and Easy Rider, the genre's pretty much been left to b-movie types like Roger Corman, which is odd when you think of how it's such an obvious vehicle for explorations of the frontier/outlaw myth, as well as symbolising a broadly libertarian and anti-authoritarian idea of freedom.
This is supposedly coming, but it seems to have been pushed back:
You know, while perhaps in the wrong thread, Batmon has a point. I'm sick of Scorsese's same old crap. The Departed was a terrible sack of horsecrap. How many of the same old mob movies can there be before new issues and zones are explored? Shit, give me a Camorra movie, or a Russian mob movie or a movie about Colombian or Mexican cartels (that aren't stereotypical crap) and I'm there.
You know, while perhaps in the wrong thread, Batmon has a point. I'm sick of Scorsese's same old crap. The Departed was a terrible sack of horsecrap. How many of the same old mob movies can there be before new issues and zones are explored?
Hah, you edited and took out "Italian" before "mob movies."
What we seem to have here is one guy who's sick of Scorcese movies but rides for "Casino," and another who can't tell Irish gangsters from Italians.
What an odd discussion. It's like debating over salad dressings.
"I hate that drab old Italian stuff, let me have some Thai or Russian!"
I edited it specifically to comport with what I was saying. Try not being a troll for 1 day in your life, you might find friends or a life.
Uh huh.
I guess "Irish" isn't different enough from "Italian" for you. But "Mexican" or "Russian" would be. How silly is that on a scale of 1 to 10? I'd give it at least an 8.5.
Since the difference exists, it matters. But not, evidently, to you.
You know, while perhaps in the wrong thread, Batmon has a point. I'm sick of Scorsese's same old crap. The Departed was a terrible sack of horsecrap. How many of the same old mob movies can there be before new issues and zones are explored?
Seriously, people got all upset at me the other day when I told them how much I dislike that turd. Definition of coasting, which would be alright if he was coasting on something that was even interesting.
Shit, give me a Camorra movie, or a Russian mob movie or a movie about Colombian or Mexican cartels (that aren't stereotypical crap) and I'm there.
I wasn't particularly crazy about either of them, but there is Eastern Promises and also Gomorra. Drop in the bucket in comparison, but it's a start.
Batmon you're kinda rambling here, but I feel you though. I didn't watch Goodfellas until a couple of years ago and it didn't do much for me. It was good, but I was expecting a LIFECHANGINGEXPERIENCE from all the blahblah I've heard from people over the years. The story and the characters just didn't engage me, and I feel the same way about a lot of Scorsese's gangster-themed output. I guess I'm a bit picky when it comes to gangster stories. There's something inherently cheesy about the fascination with that whole mythical macho ethos. From what I've seen from his filmography I much prefer stuff like "Taxi Driver" and "King Of Comedy", but I know I'm in the minority here.
maybe the only thing to come out of GQ worth reading in 10 years.
that being said ...... casino > goodfellas.
Thats right - Casino is the proverbial beez kneez - love that movie.
SIRUS - 24 September 2010 12:07 AM
uh, non-cacuasoid here: goodfellas is a great movie. whats wrong with the crime/mob genre?
30 years of the same muthafuckin thang hasnt made u bored?
Goodfellas is excellent.
But u cats come on here and circlejerk to the same Italian Gangsta motif like its a new girlfriend.
Its totally tired. Weve gotten it in Hip Hop, HBO, and Hollywood. and yall still crave for more?
Sopranos and them. I dont understand the overdose.
Its a tired trope and yall( yes here on SS) wax poetic on that new HBO show like its some new shit.
Graduate PLEEZ.
I???d rather see some Chinese/Jewish Gangster shit than some overwashed DeNiro/Spike Lee Brooklyn/Wife beater nonsense.
Hey man - I kinda feel you on the italian mob overdose (personally i skipped sopranos) but dont forget it wasnt just italians - definitely not when it comes to BE on HB0 - Arnold Rothstein who prominently features in Boardwalk Empire was the jewish architect of the gambling industry -his protege Meyer Lansky who - together with lucky luciano - evolved/invented organised crime and gambling as we know it was also a jew. Theres a lot of irish and jewish cats in the mix there.
There's a terrific piece about the making of Goodfellas on GQ.com that's loaded with fascinating trivia, most of which I certainly didn't know - things like how Tom Cruise and Madonna were briefly under consideration for the roles of Henry & Karen Hill, and how John Malkovich nearly played Jimmy The Gent. Good to read the stories of some of the crew and peripheral cast members, too.
There's been a few of these pieces recently, what with it being 20 years since the movie came out, but this is one of the more readable examples. Definitely worth a few minutes of your time.
This is one of the best movies ever made, i'm glad they choose the cast that they did
How good was that last flick Viggio w/ the Russian underground shit?
The one w/ the tat steez?
You mean Viggo.
He was married to Exene Cervenka for 10 years or so. Cool dude in many ways.
Eastern Promises. Great movie. Also the one before that a history of violence was fantastic. Viggo is the man. Also Maria Bello in a cheerleader outfit: yum.
Personally I don't get mafia films/series, I fell asleep during the Godfather and thought Goodfellas was just a bunch of swearing idiots. Then again I don't get the whole "uuuugh, the family, do it for the family" shoot shoot, violin, eat some pasta, call up someone called Vinny/Vito and take revenge for honor and shit. it's just not my thing.
As far as Goodfellas goes, even if it wasn't a gangster movie, it'd still be perfect. As several people alluded in that verbal history, Scorsese had that coke-fueled timing down to a science -- snap his fingers for the start of The Rolling Stones, snap his fingers for a cut to whatever. He knew the rhythms of that world very well and I'd watch any movie that treated its subject with such style and care. Like that part with Pesci and Marty's real momma -- it'd didn't really make sense, what he said to her, or Pesci's adlib about the painting, and that's what makes it all the better. The Godfather films, as good as they are/were, are more operatic and Goodfellas just seems a little bit realer (the fact that it was based on a true story does help, obviously). Not really going to address Marty's career thereafter, as that's a totally different topic.
BTW, my favorite part of The History of Violence *spoilerz* ... "Yeah, I'm Joey." Viggo! I see what you did with your accent there. Dude is an act-tor. I guess I never really saw that coming. Both of those small takes on the gangster film by Cronenberg were great, IMO.
Like that part with Pesci and Marty's real momma -- it'd didn't really make sense, what he said to her, or Pesci's adlib about the painting, and that's what makes it all the better.
Fuck, that might be the funniest line in the movie "And this guy's sayin 'Whaddya want from me?'":
uh, non-cacuasoid here: goodfellas is a great movie. whats wrong with the crime/mob genre?
30 years of the same muthafuckin thang hasnt made u bored?
Goodfellas is excellent.
But u cats come on here and circlejerk to the same Italian Gangsta motif like its a new girlfriend.
Its totally tired. Weve gotten it in Hip Hop, HBO, and Hollywood. and yall still crave for more?
Sopranos and them. I dont understand the overdose.
Its a tired trope and yall( yes here on SS) wax poetic on that new HBO show like its some new shit.
Graduate PLEEZ.
I'd rather see some Chinese/Jewish Gangster shit than some overwashed DeNiro/Spike Lee Brooklyn/Wife beater nonsense.
i'll cosine that the italian mafia tradition reiterated a thousand times is old hat. but its on the contingent that we burn everything and anything that references scarface no matter how oblique the reference.
/facetious comments
goodfellas* and mean streets are both great flicks that i'll watch multiple times throughout my life. scorsese didnt deserve anything for the departed. but who the fuck really cares about those awards and thinks they actually hold any real artistic relevance?
*that long take when henry and karen enter the nightclub is fucking awesome and one of my favorites. i always wondered how many takes they had to do of that to get it right. its on youtube but embedding was disabled by whomever uploaded it.
i had somethin else to say here but ive since forgotten it, so i guess it wasnt any more important/necessary than the above.
HarveyCanal"a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
Overdid watching Goodfellas over and over a decade or so ago, and though I'd still list it among my top flight favorite movies of all time...I can't really watch it nowadays either.
But I just recently rewatched Donnie Brasco for the first time since it came out...and I ate it up with a spoon. And that was despite fully recognizing Johnny Depp as beating a dead horse on the hey-look-how-Italian-I-am-steez-to-the-point-of-actually-explaining-fuggidaboudit in the flick. So even beyond that consideration, still good.
Then again, I'm Italian so...the more, the merrier.
From what I've seen from his filmography I much prefer stuff like "Taxi Driver" and "King Of Comedy", but I know I'm in the minority here.
:necessary:
I saw "After Hours" around 15 years ago, but I have little recollection of it beyond "Griffin Dunne gets into all sorts of mischief". Will revisit when I get the chance. Definitely more into lowkey Marty than epic Marty.
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Since Scorcese also directed "Casino" and there's plenty of Mob Style nonsense in it I don't understand what you're even talking about.
It's even got Joe Fuckin' Pesci in it.
Or a Ching-A-Ling Nomads movie.
A Scorcese level treatment of either would be great.
Now that Sons Of Anarchy is hitting, it won't be long before you see something like the former.
Just to go off-topic for a moment, one of the things that struck me about SOA was just how underexplored the biker gang as an aspect of onscreen American popular culture has been. Apart from The Wild One and Easy Rider, the genre's pretty much been left to b-movie types like Roger Corman, which is odd when you think of how it's such an obvious vehicle for explorations of the frontier/outlaw myth, as well as symbolising a broadly libertarian and anti-authoritarian idea of freedom.
or a moran.
It was cool to read this GQ thing, with the movie so fresh in my mind.
As for the movie, it's weird. I knew half the lines, due to my life among the caucazoids batmon mentioned. I've never thought the EYE-FUCKIN-TALIAN character to be all that interesting, and don't really enjoy watching violence. He's got a point (not to say that merely linking this GQ article was evidence of caucasoidal italo-gangsterlove...), this stuff may be a little undeserving of its longevity. But: I will say this Goodfellas shit was good.
MY REVIEW OF GOODFELLAS: THE SHIT WAS GOOD.
The thing about the neighbor shining his car being "some Julliard guy," and being terrified of Ray Liotta: I really did see that in that scene. The dude was absolutely scared out of his mind.
awesome poast
This is supposedly coming, but it seems to have been pushed back:
http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/06/18/stephen-gaghan-adapting-hunter-s-thompsons-hells-angels/
Hah, you edited and took out "Italian" before "mob movies."
What we seem to have here is one guy who's sick of Scorcese movies but rides for "Casino," and another who can't tell Irish gangsters from Italians.
What an odd discussion. It's like debating over salad dressings.
"I hate that drab old Italian stuff, let me have some Thai or Russian!"
Uh huh.
I guess "Irish" isn't different enough from "Italian" for you. But "Mexican" or "Russian" would be. How silly is that on a scale of 1 to 10? I'd give it at least an 8.5.
Since the difference exists, it matters. But not, evidently, to you.
Comport that.
Seriously, people got all upset at me the other day when I told them how much I dislike that turd. Definition of coasting, which would be alright if he was coasting on something that was even interesting.
I wasn't particularly crazy about either of them, but there is Eastern Promises and also Gomorra. Drop in the bucket in comparison, but it's a start.
No horses were hurt in the making of that movie. :shame_on_you:
The one w/ the tat steez?
You mean Viggo.
He was married to Exene Cervenka for 10 years or so. Cool dude in many ways.
I didn't like it. Really ugly-looking movie that felt...well, the best way I can describe is that it felt constipated/lugubrious to me.
I liked it quite a bit but that's not a bad capsule review.
LOL
Batmon you're kinda rambling here, but I feel you though. I didn't watch Goodfellas until a couple of years ago and it didn't do much for me. It was good, but I was expecting a LIFECHANGINGEXPERIENCE from all the blahblah I've heard from people over the years. The story and the characters just didn't engage me, and I feel the same way about a lot of Scorsese's gangster-themed output. I guess I'm a bit picky when it comes to gangster stories. There's something inherently cheesy about the fascination with that whole mythical macho ethos. From what I've seen from his filmography I much prefer stuff like "Taxi Driver" and "King Of Comedy", but I know I'm in the minority here.
Thats right - Casino is the proverbial beez kneez - love that movie.
Hey man - I kinda feel you on the italian mob overdose (personally i skipped sopranos) but dont forget it wasnt just italians - definitely not when it comes to BE on HB0 - Arnold Rothstein who prominently features in Boardwalk Empire was the jewish architect of the gambling industry -his protege Meyer Lansky who - together with lucky luciano - evolved/invented organised crime and gambling as we know it was also a jew. Theres a lot of irish and jewish cats in the mix there.
This is one of the best movies ever made, i'm glad they choose the cast that they did
Eastern Promises. Great movie. Also the one before that a history of violence was fantastic. Viggo is the man. Also Maria Bello in a cheerleader outfit: yum.
Personally I don't get mafia films/series, I fell asleep during the Godfather and thought Goodfellas was just a bunch of swearing idiots. Then again I don't get the whole "uuuugh, the family, do it for the family" shoot shoot, violin, eat some pasta, call up someone called Vinny/Vito and take revenge for honor and shit. it's just not my thing.
@BATMON maybe this will be more to your liking.
BTW, my favorite part of The History of Violence *spoilerz* ... "Yeah, I'm Joey." Viggo! I see what you did with your accent there. Dude is an act-tor. I guess I never really saw that coming. Both of those small takes on the gangster film by Cronenberg were great, IMO.
Fuck, that might be the funniest line in the movie "And this guy's sayin 'Whaddya want from me?'":
Cool up until that Breakdancin shit. How many times have i read that story. Uggh.
I'd really like to see something done on the 60's Chicago gangs. Blackstone Rangers and them.
:necessary:
i'll cosine that the italian mafia tradition reiterated a thousand times is old hat. but its on the contingent that we burn everything and anything that references scarface no matter how oblique the reference.
/facetious comments
goodfellas* and mean streets are both great flicks that i'll watch multiple times throughout my life. scorsese didnt deserve anything for the departed. but who the fuck really cares about those awards and thinks they actually hold any real artistic relevance?
*that long take when henry and karen enter the nightclub is fucking awesome and one of my favorites. i always wondered how many takes they had to do of that to get it right. its on youtube but embedding was disabled by whomever uploaded it.
i had somethin else to say here but ive since forgotten it, so i guess it wasnt any more important/necessary than the above.
But I just recently rewatched Donnie Brasco for the first time since it came out...and I ate it up with a spoon. And that was despite fully recognizing Johnny Depp as beating a dead horse on the hey-look-how-Italian-I-am-steez-to-the-point-of-actually-explaining-fuggidaboudit in the flick. So even beyond that consideration, still good.
Then again, I'm Italian so...the more, the merrier.
I saw "After Hours" around 15 years ago, but I have little recollection of it beyond "Griffin Dunne gets into all sorts of mischief". Will revisit when I get the chance. Definitely more into lowkey Marty than epic Marty.