JOYOUS REMIX

RAW_HAMBURGERRAW_HAMBURGER 1,438 Posts
edited July 2010 in Strut Central
Some strutters will care..for those that do.
Remix from the multis....Gilles Peterson has been running some of what I gave him and somebody upped the audio on youtube.
check it out.. drum break intro that never existed and total breakdown @ about 3:15 in.

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  • WoimsahWoimsah 1,734 Posts

  • GrandfatherGrandfather 2,303 Posts
    dam, thats nice
    Post a file.

  • DocMcCoyDocMcCoy "Go and laugh in your own country!" 5,913 Posts
    Wow. Enki and (I think) Platurn did a great edit of Joyous a while ago, which I've played out quite a lot, but I may have to bump it for this. Any plans to put this on wax, Kon?

  • I'm a big fan of your edits remixes Kon, this one is great too. Thanks!

  • DJ_EnkiDJ_Enki 6,471 Posts
    DocMcCoy said:
    Wow. Enki and (I think) Platurn did a great edit of Joyous a while ago, which I've played out quite a lot, but I may have to bump it for this. Any plans to put this on wax, Kon?

    Boooooooooooo!

    Yeah, that was Platurn and me who did that edit, but there's just no substitute for getting to play with separated tracks. Nice job, Kon! This is a hot one for sure.

  • RAW_HAMBURGERRAW_HAMBURGER 1,438 Posts
    thanks.
    i want this to come out on 12" with wide grooves taking up the whole side... so not posting any audio at this time and im keeping very these tight and away from the internet where nothing is special. ive given a few to select djs i know i can trust that will uphold this code for now. sorry.
    also i would like to clarify my pet peeve. edit vs remix.
    edit : splicing sections of a song and putting them back together as you see fit, without adding drum tracks or any thing else not in the og song.
    remix: >> multi tracks... totally NEW MIX, both sonically and arrangement wise as well as fx and so on. or maybe not having the multis but... making an og drum track etc.
    im not sure where all this confusion comes from... could be a uk thing...seems they think sampling and making whole new tracks are edits. makes no sense... like calling "award tour" an edit !?!
    most of you know, but just in case you dont... multi tracks 99% of the time are dry/raw... no fx/ eq nada. to get them to sound like a record means you have to do a proper mix for each track.
    btw the mix on joyous sounds huuuuge...the drums are so punchy and wet..they destroy shit. this one may very well see a proper release.

    heres some things ive been remixing ... not sure what is to come of them as i will never get a green light for proper release.

    george benson/ give me the night
    gary bartz/ gentle smiles
    rick james/ mary jane
    first choice/ love thing
    linda clifford / runaway love
    leon ware/ why i came to california
    chic/ good times
    chic/ everybody dance
    sylvester/ over and over
    roberta flack & donny hathaway/ back together
    pfunk/ knee deep
    bee gees/ stayin alive
    slave/ watchin you
    many more as well, ultimately im trying to make these the definitive versions that trump any remix/edit thats out there prior to.
    new projects are also in the works. keep yall posted.

  • 4YearGraduate4YearGraduate 2,945 Posts
    RAW_HAMBURGER said:
    thanks.
    i want this to come out on 12" with wide grooves taking up the whole side... so not posting any audio at this time and im keeping very these tight and away from the internet where nothing is special. ive given a few to select djs i know i can trust that will uphold this code for now. sorry.
    also i would like to clarify my pet peeve. edit vs remix.
    edit : splicing sections of a song and putting them back together as you see fit, without adding drum tracks or any thing else not in the og song.
    remix: >> multi tracks... totally NEW MIX, both sonically and arrangement wise as well as fx and so on. or maybe not having the multis but... making an og drum track etc.
    im not sure where all this confusion comes from... could be a uk thing...seems they think sampling and making whole new tracks are edits. makes no sense... like calling "award tour" an edit !?!
    most of you know, but just in case you dont... multi tracks 99% of the time are dry/raw... no fx/ eq nada. to get them to sound like a record means you have to do a proper mix for each track.
    btw the mix on joyous sounds huuuuge...the drums are so punchy and wet..they destroy shit. this one may very well see a proper release.

    heres some things ive been remixing ... not sure what is to come of them as i will never get a green light for proper release.

    george benson/ give me the night
    gary bartz/ gentle smiles
    rick james/ mary jane
    first choice/ love thing
    linda clifford / runaway love
    leon ware/ why i came to california
    chic/ good times
    chic/ everybody dance
    sylvester/ over and over
    roberta flack & donny hathaway/ back together
    pfunk/ knee deep
    bee gees/ stayin alive
    slave/ watchin you
    many more as well, ultimately im trying to make these the definitive versions that trump any remix/edit thats out there prior to.
    new projects are also in the works. keep yall posted.

    Damn dude, I didn't know you were an engineer
    You working ITB or off the original tapes - what console/room you working out of?

    Have you been in touch with the original engineers who mixed the OG versions? those tracks have some of the best who ever did it behind them. I'm curios to about certain tech aspects of those originals, please to post more info about what tape formulation and reference level/eq was used. There has been much speculation as to how much NAB was actually used back then.

  • MjukisMjukis 1,675 Posts
    Great stuff, remember seeing a youtube clip or something like that from a live show and wondering what was up with that song.

    Also Kon, did that "From the heart" Carhartt 10 inch ever come out?

  • DocMcCoyDocMcCoy "Go and laugh in your own country!" 5,913 Posts
    RAW_HAMBURGER said:

    bee gees/ stayin alive

    OK, then you may be in a position to confirm whether or not the drum track on that song is actually a tape loop or a live drummer.

  • billbradleybillbradley You want BBQ sauce? Get the fuck out of my house. 2,889 Posts
    Thanks for sharing that. That remix is

  • BigSpliffBigSpliff 3,266 Posts
    billbradley said:

  • WOW, nice one man.

  • spelunkspelunk 3,400 Posts
    deleted / whatever.

  • finelikewinefinelikewine "ONCE UPON A TIME, I HAD A VINYL." http://www.discogs.com/user/permabulker 1,416 Posts
    The drums are insane, great remix. Please make it available soon.

  • DuderonomyDuderonomy Haut de la Garenne 7,784 Posts
    Woimsah said:

    Please to not be offended; I think there's too much delay going on with the vocal bit @ the 3.20 mark (reverbed delay?), and not enough 'space', makes it sounds a bit confusing with the lone bongo that it's echoing all over rather than echoing in time to. imVho.
    Great work though, I look forward to hearing those other tracks too.

  • UnherdUnherd 1,880 Posts
    DJ_Enki said:
    DocMcCoy said:
    Wow. Enki and (I think) Platurn did a great edit of Joyous a while ago, which I've played out quite a lot, but I may have to bump it for this. Any plans to put this on wax, Kon?

    Boooooooooooo!

    Yeah, that was Platurn and me who did that edit


    Hey Enki, you mind posting it up? Great track, I'll take what I can get...

  • phatmoneysackphatmoneysack Melbourne 1,124 Posts
    this is hawt shit.

  • sticky_dojahsticky_dojah New York City. 2,136 Posts
    Nice work, Kon! I definitely need this to play out...wicked rework!

  • RAW_HAMBURGERRAW_HAMBURGER 1,438 Posts
    Duderonomy said:
    Woimsah said:

    Please to not be offended; I think there's too much delay going on with the vocal bit @ the 3.20 mark (reverbed delay?), and not enough 'space', makes it sounds a bit confusing with the lone bongo that it's echoing all over rather than echoing in time to. imVho.
    Great work though, I look forward to hearing those other tracks too.

    thanks. although, this rip is shitty.
    im not offended, but if you can count and have rhythm... regarding "space" youll hear that nothing is out of time....count along again and pay close attention to "thing" theres only 2 things going on vox and congos, whats confusing ?
    maybe you just dont like dusted fx which is fine but timing is not an issue.
    infact for me, the more dubbed out and dusted the better.

    however....instead of all that, none of you noticed that the horns are not there. good job guys haha.

    im not an engineer of that degree. i do know some who have mixed some of sessions.
    the bee gees used a loop from a session of their own. you can goggle it... they break it all down.

    ok, im off to go get some more sessions.

  • 4YearGraduate4YearGraduate 2,945 Posts
    so how the hell are you getting aligned playbacks on all these different formulations of tape that were tracked on different machines, that sounds like a nightmare! or are you getting them off the torrents like everyone else?

    Because if you are spooling the actual original tapes you would be able to provide us with alot of useful information, i'm just saying -the information is not all over google.

    To start, and i'm very serious - I really want to know what Tape formulation and speed Good Times was recorded on. It was done right on the cusp of Dolby, but it might have not used Dolby A, It sounds like either an M79 or a MCI to me, but i really want to know. it might be on 456 - but who knows. I want to know. All of these things, along with alignment tones would be on the box the tape was stored in.

    It took me years to find out what Thriller was done on, that information was not readily available -even Bruce couldn't remember. If you could shed any tech light on this stuff, seeing as you have access to the tapes, it would be very helpful. Thanks.

    Also, what console are you mixing on?

  • DJ_EnkiDJ_Enki 6,471 Posts
    Unherd said:
    DJ_Enki said:
    DocMcCoy said:
    Wow. Enki and (I think) Platurn did a great edit of Joyous a while ago, which I've played out quite a lot, but I may have to bump it for this. Any plans to put this on wax, Kon?

    Boooooooooooo!

    Yeah, that was Platurn and me who did that edit


    Hey Enki, you mind posting it up? Great track, I'll take what I can get...

    Sure thing! You can check it out right here for now. I'll post up a non-Mixcrate download, too, when I get home from work tonight.

  • it's neat to hear that lead vocal without the harmony...

    i vote for a remix of "give me the night"

  • SPlDEYSPlDEY Vegas 3,375 Posts
    I'm very impressed Kon. Have you considered engineering a live band at all?

    - Diego

  • any chance you gonna drop any of this stuff on friday in philly kon?

  • Phill_MostPhill_Most 4,594 Posts
    this is GREAT, Kon... you have GOT to put this out (and all the others you are working on too) in some format, proper release or not. the world of music needs it :necessary:

    btw, what other multitracks are floating around out there on the internet? i think i have the Marvin & Tammi and the Stevie "Superstition" and that's probably about it.... wasn't all that interested when the schitt was poppin' off so I don't even know.

  • SPlDEYSPlDEY Vegas 3,375 Posts
    So, I was cashing my check today at Boulder Station Casino. I forgot my rewards card, and so I went to get a new one. This Marvin Gaye looking dude calls me up in line. We chop it up with each other for a minute and then he goes..

    That's cool man are you in a band?

    I tell him about my band Dopamine Flux, and that we do original Funk and Soul.

    He goes, that's great man. I used to be in a band bitd. We used to tear it up. Have you ever heard of the band PLEASURE? I'm the drummer Randy Hall.

    NO SHIT!! So, we bullshit for a little more..

    I go do you know the track Joyous?

    He says, Do I know it? I mixed it.

    I told him about Kon's edit of Joyous, and he lit up.

    He said WOW that's phenomenal man how'd he get the masters?

    I said I had no idea probably from the studio or something.

    He says, he'd love to have a copy of that. He can't believe people are still interested in music like that.

    I don't know If I opened a can of worms, or blew up anybodys spot, but I'd like to get a copy to give to the brother.

    If that's possible. I got doubles of the OG, in my crates somewhere as well. Let me know if you guys have any questions for him.

    - Diego

  • RAW_HAMBURGERRAW_HAMBURGER 1,438 Posts
    SPlDEY said:
    So, I was cashing my check today at Boulder Station Casino. I forgot my rewards card, and so I went to get a new one. This Marvin Gaye looking dude calls me up in line. We chop it up with each other for a minute and then he goes..

    That's cool man are you in a band?

    I tell him about my band Dopamine Flux, and that we do original Funk and Soul.

    He goes, that's great man. I used to be in a band bitd. We used to tear it up. Have you ever heard of the band PLEASURE? I'm the drummer Randy Hall.

    NO SHIT!! So, we bullshit for a little more..

    I go do you know the track Joyous?

    He says, Do I know it? I mixed it.

    I told him about Kon's edit of Joyous, and he lit up.

    He said WOW that's phenomenal man how'd he get the masters?

    I said I had no idea probably from the studio or something.

    He says, he'd love to have a copy of that. He can't believe people are still interested in music like that.

    I don't know If I opened a can of worms, or blew up anybodys spot, but I'd like to get a copy to give to the brother.

    If that's possible. I got doubles of the OG, in my crates somewhere as well. Let me know if you guys have any questions for him.

    - Diego



    wow. amazing !!!
    did you get his info ? i hope so... please hit me on the pm. btw he kills it on not only this track...but bouncy lady ! woop woop.

    @ philly gig.. if your coming.. be ready, bombs are going to be dropped all night. i cant wait.
    @i had sex with lyn christopher record ( love your name) thanks... and maybe these will somehow see the light of day...but for now i dunno.
    also.. none of these sessions are floating around on the internet.
    stax/fantasy/wea are kept pretty close amongst the secret society.

  • CosmoCosmo 9,768 Posts
    Kon has got tapes that people can only dream about...

    Hi dude!

  • mordecaimordecai 2,204 Posts
    BigSpliff said:
    billbradley said:

  • Phill_MostPhill_Most 4,594 Posts
    RAW_HAMBURGER said:

    @i had sex with lyn christopher record ( love your name) thanks... and maybe these will somehow see the light of day...but for now i dunno.
    also.. none of these sessions are floating around on the internet.
    stax/fantasy/wea are kept pretty close amongst the secret society.

    btw Kon this is Soulman ... yeah, I think I know the deal on the Stax etc multis (at least a couple of other well known dudes have access right?). Weren't there some other ones that got loose on the internet though? Does anybody know and can they hook a bro up if they have them? Like I said before I got a couple but I think there were more of them out there. Not that I'm going to do anything with them, it's just cool to hear these songs broken down track by track. I was amazed to hear some of the stuff that was in Ain't No Mountain High Enough that I never noticed before. :necessary:
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