i don;t care what you call it, this music is just awful.
i have heard only a handful of songs but what exactly is the "honest" part of any of this? because his ghost-writers shoe-horned some personal information about him in the lyrics...they're not even good ghost-writers. the lyrics of that song posted are sub-jr. high poetry calibre.
whomever in this thread first said this is the music business at its most cynical pretty much encapsulated this entire thread.
The record's not for you. You aren't supposed to like it in the first place.
i get that is not marketed to dudes like me and i'm not supposed to "like it". that said, i am not a person that thinks just because something is popular it is inherently awful but this type of mass delusion is a sort of hallucination i can't abide by.
when people are attaching labels like "saviour" and "honest" to some talentless hack like this i worry for our collective standards (not that me worrying about it will make any difference).
life isn;t fair. or life is fair but so uncool. either way, he has provided us with great discussion fodder.
would Reynaldo care to explain his sudden conversion to Drake stan-dom?
Jay and Kanye co-signed him and he's involved in making good music. That's enough to get a passing grade. And he's not a thug, and he can pass for middle class, which can only help him going forward in this post-hip hop schitt. He's a winner.
That's enough to get a passing grade. And he's not a thug, and he can pass for middle class, which can only help him going forward in this Post-Hip Hop schitt.
Cash Money Young Money pop champagne
Presidential suite girl Barack Hussein
Tell me can we kick it like Ali Shaheed and Phife Dawg
People really hate when a backpack rapper get rich
And start livin??? that life dawg
Feels like when you gettin to that paper hip hop hates ya
They would do it just like I do if they could
It's in our nature
Ahh, young and rich and out of control
Out in L.A. blowing clouds of the killa
I came up in the underground though
So I???ma spend another ten thousand for Dilla
Call me over-rated or created or too jaded
Because any way you put it bitch I made it, YUP
Why do any of us really care who anyone is anointing as a hip hop savior?
That seems so early 2000s.
Drake may be undeserving but...so what? How does this herald any worse doom that hip-hop hasn't already suffered via the last 10 years?
this misses the point - as someone said upthread, his popularity is very real. He is by almost any measure, enormously successful. The one remaining measure is album sales, and while I hope that the record will flop I wouldn't bet money on it. For what it's worth, this seems to be the least important metric of the music industry these days anyway.
What anointing him the savior of anything does is legitimize him. Given the quality of people around him, I don't think he's going anywhere, and nobody seems willing to point out the utter hypocrisy inherent in his shtick.
Fair enough.
I just think we've been through this same variety of argument since, well, the birth of hip-hop. Drake practically just plays a role in that never-ending recycling of "undeserving popular rapper". It's almost mechanical.
There has never before been a rapper who makes such bad music who has achieved the same degree of influence/importance within hip-hop. Ever.
Also, my issue isn't that he's "wack" by the conventional meaning of the word. He's a decent enough technical rapper. I object mostly to the overarching concept of Drake; slightly less so, to the sheer calculated-ness of his career thus far. This is music industry cynicism at its absolute height.
Seriously. Loved this quote about the made-in-a-test-tube So Far Gone:
???That was supposed to be the wild and crazy project we did to get that out of our system before we put out a really generic rap album,??? said Oliver el-Khatib, Drake???s longtime friend and de facto creative consultant.
in fact, i think the entire paragraph that sentence comes from warrants quoting, as it's the corn kernel in this piece of shit article:
On ???So Far Gone??? he sought to cultivate multiple audiences at once: in addition to straight-ahead rap songs, he also rapped over instrumentals from indie acts like Santigold, Lykke Li and Peter Bjorn & John. ???That was supposed to be the wild and crazy project we did to get that out of our system before we put out a really generic rap album,??? said Oliver el-Khatib, Drake???s longtime friend and de facto creative consultant.
maybe rap/singing over Peter Bjorn & John is just too wild & crazy for Soulstrut.
Cash Money Young Money pop champagne
Presidential suite girl Barack Hussein
Tell me can we kick it like Ali Shaheed and Phife Dawg
People really hate when a backpack rapper get rich
And start livin??? that life dawg
Feels like when you gettin to that paper hip hop hates ya
They would do it just like I do if they could
It's in our nature
Ahh, young and rich and out of control
Out in L.A. blowing clouds of the killa
I came up in the underground though
So I???ma spend another ten thousand for Dilla
Call me over-rated or created or too jaded
Because any way you put it bitch I made it, YUP
Cash Money Young Money pop champagne
Presidential suite girl Barack Hussein
Tell me can we kick it like Ali Shaheed and Phife Dawg
People really hate when a backpack rapper get rich
And start livin??? that life dawg
Feels like when you gettin to that paper hip hop hates ya
They would do it just like I do if they could
It's in our nature
Ahh, young and rich and out of control
Out in L.A. blowing clouds of the killa
I came up in the underground though
So I???ma spend another ten thousand for Dilla
Call me over-rated or created or too jaded
Because any way you put it bitch I made it, YUP
I mean my whole thing is like, I too once lived in my mom's basement. But it was the basement of a house in the Berkeley hills. I'm not going to imply that there's any "struggle" in that. It was nice to get out of there, but the way Drake tells it, he was living under a tore-down coldwater rowhouse in some gunclap slum.
I think he could, if he felt like it, actually talk about some interesting shit based on his (real) life that would resonate with tons of people... but this triangulated pablum is not interesting to me at all and - more to the point - I don't believe him. This dude came up in the underground? Where??
Cash Money Young Money pop champagne
Presidential suite girl Barack Hussein
Tell me can we kick it like Ali Shaheed and Phife Dawg
People really hate when a backpack rapper get rich
And start livin??? that life dawg
Feels like when you gettin to that paper hip hop hates ya
They would do it just like I do if they could
It's in our nature
Ahh, young and rich and out of control
Out in L.A. blowing clouds of the killa
I came up in the underground though
So I???ma spend another ten thousand for Dilla
Call me over-rated or created or too jaded
Because any way you put it bitch I made it, YUP
good god...please tell me that's a Drake verse??
Yeah, from "Show Me A Good Time."
"I came up in the underground though
So I???ma spend another ten thousand for Dilla."
Thank Me Later is the Reasonable Doubt of the next phase of hip hop. Drake sounds as hungry and reflective as Jay once did. And they both had money before hip hop.
Thank Me Later is the Reasonable Doubt of the next phase of hip hop. Drake sounds as hungry and reflective as Jay once did. And they both had money before hip hop.
Success = 8+ page threads dedicated to how horrible one is.
Dude, quit trying to steer this thread into something about Faux_Rillz.
Yo, Herm: Do I ever come up in discussion/Over double-pumpe lattes and low-fat muffins?
I don't drink coffee, holmes! And I can't remember the last time I had a muffin.
But anyways...my comment wasn't directed at anyone in particular. I was merely stating the obvious: The more popular you are, the more people want to dirty up your name and (try and) drag you down. Isn't that what success entails? Any publicity is good publicity blah blah blah? You're obviously not the only one hating on the man in here, and in all honesty, I agree with you for the most part, the man is bland as hell. It baffles me how popular he is. I mean, I get it to a certain extent 'cause I know how easily "heroes" are made, but still...
BUT I have to say, after rereading this thread and your description of Rey, I've come up with a little flip of my own. Humor me:
Rey: "He just likes things that annoy people."
Faux: "He just annoys people that like things."
Success = 8+ page threads dedicated to how horrible one is.
Dude, quit trying to steer this thread into something about Faux_Rillz.
Yo, Herm: Do I ever come up in discussion/Over double-pumpe lattes and low-fat muffins?
I don't drink coffee, holmes! And I can't remember the last time I had a muffin.
Doh! I thought that "/" was a typo. Google has taught me that it's actually a very cringeworthy (yet sure to make the coffee shop bohemians swoon) Drake lyric. Nice touch. Good to know you've spent at least some time listening to the album!
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i get that is not marketed to dudes like me and i'm not supposed to "like it". that said, i am not a person that thinks just because something is popular it is inherently awful but this type of mass delusion is a sort of hallucination i can't abide by.
when people are attaching labels like "saviour" and "honest" to some talentless hack like this i worry for our collective standards (not that me worrying about it will make any difference).
life isn;t fair. or life is fair but so uncool. either way, he has provided us with great discussion fodder.
He just likes things that annoy people.
If he could afford it, I have no doubt he would park one of those diamond Damien Hirst skulls on his lawn.
just admit it
C'mon, son.
who is Sarah Palin? Nicki Minaj?
I believe I heard a marriage proposal in one of the songs, better make that Michelle.
John McCain = KRS ONE; derangedly conservative old guy, angry over his irrelevance
Presidential suite girl Barack Hussein
Tell me can we kick it like Ali Shaheed and Phife Dawg
People really hate when a backpack rapper get rich
And start livin??? that life dawg
Feels like when you gettin to that paper hip hop hates ya
They would do it just like I do if they could
It's in our nature
Ahh, young and rich and out of control
Out in L.A. blowing clouds of the killa
I came up in the underground though
So I???ma spend another ten thousand for Dilla
Call me over-rated or created or too jaded
Because any way you put it bitch I made it, YUP
in fact, i think the entire paragraph that sentence comes from warrants quoting, as it's the corn kernel in this piece of shit article:
maybe rap/singing over Peter Bjorn & John is just too wild & crazy for Soulstrut.
b/w
Post-Hip Hop
good god...please tell me that's a Drake verse??
I think he could, if he felt like it, actually talk about some interesting shit based on his (real) life that would resonate with tons of people... but this triangulated pablum is not interesting to me at all and - more to the point - I don't believe him. This dude came up in the underground? Where??
"I came up in the underground though
So I???ma spend another ten thousand for Dilla."
dude. you were a rich child TV star.
Drake is a product of the industry.
Dude, quit trying to steer this thread into something about Faux_Rillz.
Yo, Herm: Do I ever come up in discussion/Over double-pumpe lattes and low-fat muffins?
I don't drink coffee, holmes! And I can't remember the last time I had a muffin.
But anyways...my comment wasn't directed at anyone in particular. I was merely stating the obvious: The more popular you are, the more people want to dirty up your name and (try and) drag you down. Isn't that what success entails? Any publicity is good publicity blah blah blah? You're obviously not the only one hating on the man in here, and in all honesty, I agree with you for the most part, the man is bland as hell. It baffles me how popular he is. I mean, I get it to a certain extent 'cause I know how easily "heroes" are made, but still...
BUT I have to say, after rereading this thread and your description of Rey, I've come up with a little flip of my own. Humor me:
Rey: "He just likes things that annoy people."
Faux: "He just annoys people that like things."
Fair assessment?
Doh! I thought that "/" was a typo. Google has taught me that it's actually a very cringeworthy (yet sure to make the coffee shop bohemians swoon) Drake lyric. Nice touch. Good to know you've spent at least some time listening to the album!