You're right, my previous post wasn't clear, but I don't think I said "I never ever want to hear raps about crack again!" I mean, right after that I bought Rick Ross and likeded it! And we all know how fake he is (even though I'm sure some of you foolios think he's the ONLY fake one doing it!). I just meant to say it's getting old. I listened to Ross twice and then was kinda blah about it.
Dude - Drug raps are 25+ years old.
Callin Rick Ross's content "OLD" in the history of Hip Hop is suspect...IMO.
during a recent text conversation, my friend brought up the fact that he was listening to "day and night" constantly, then went on to say, more or less, "cudi is the truth." i was taken aback. dude is a total rockist who rarely ever listens to music that is not somehow related to the 90s alternapalooza-sound/era. he went on to tell me that he has been getting into "gangsta rap" lately, and then told me to check out the youtube video of that girl from veruca salt(?) singing "straigh outta compton."
If I were you I think I would have to re-evaluate my relationship with this "friend."
I keed.
Although I am in total agreement with this:
I'm not opposed to any of this but this song is really, really terrible and it shocked me that it got so popular.
I don't know that I'd say terrible, but it's incredibly boring to me. Why do people want to hear this in the club?
Can anyone else attest to this song being a large part of their local black experience? Jonny or somebody said it was getting burn on Hot 97, I think.
I'm really curious, because Day 'n Nite sounds tailor-made for angsty white kids who don't really like rap or who rode hard for a hair's-breadth-from-emo cut like "Umbrella." That it's getting any love on urban stations outside of NY is suprising to me.
during a recent text conversation, my friend brought up the fact that he was listening to "day and night" constantly, then went on to say, more or less, "cudi is the truth." i was taken aback. dude is a total rockist who rarely ever listens to music that is not somehow related to the 90s alternapalooza-sound/era. he went on to tell me that he has been getting into "gangsta rap" lately, and then told me to check out the youtube video of that girl from veruca salt(?) singing "straigh outta compton."
If I were you I think I would have to re-evaluate my relationship with this "friend."
I'm really curious, because Day 'n Nite sounds tailor-made for angsty white kids who don't really like rap or who rode hard for a hair's-breadth-from-emo cut like "Umbrella." That it's getting any love on urban stations outside of NY is suprising to me.
we've been friends for 20 years. it's too late to re-evaluate anything now. if anything, i should have done a re-evaluation when he blamed me for his heroin addiction. anyway, i understand why he likes the song. the two people i know who ride for the song fit your description about who it sounds tailor-made for. that said, i've heard it on rap/r&b stations in dallas a number of times.
Can anyone else attest to this song being a large part of their local black/brown experience? Jonny or somebody said it was getting burn on Hot 97, I think.
Jim Jones on the first verse of the remix, though.
Batmon: I know how old drug raps are, but thanks for the history lesson!
What successful, popular and respected (and still current) rappers out there have made a living without the drug talk?
Only one that comes to mind is DJ Quik. I would say Shock but he's not currently, uh, current. I'm sure there's more. Shoot, I'm sure I'm forgetting an obvious Quik song that eliminates him from the list!
yes pop stations play kanye as well as rap/rnb stations. Cudi gets play on the urban stations and pop stations as well, though it seems the pop stations like the techno version
So does he actually rap on those songs? I haven't really checked for dude, but it seems like everyone's saying that he's the truth as far as hip-hop is concerned
Dude can definitely rap. Truth:
There are lots of albums in the jazz bins that sound like other types of music. It's just rap music that's not as 'rap' based as a lot of other rap music.
What successful, popular and respected (and still current) rappers out there have made a living without the drug talk?
Only one that comes to mind is DJ Quik. I would say Shock but he's not currently, uh, current. I'm sure there's more. Shoot, I'm sure I'm forgetting an obvious Quik song that eliminates him from the list!
Batmon: I know how old drug raps are, but thanks for the history lesson!
What successful, popular and respected (and still current) rappers out there have made a living without the drug talk?
Only one that comes to mind is DJ Quik. I would say Shock but he's not currently, uh, current. I'm sure there's more. Shoot, I'm sure I'm forgetting an obvious Quik song that eliminates him from the list!
Was thinking about this the other day... two names that seemed to fit were Nelly and Ludacris. Maybe I'm not familiar enough with Nelly's album cuts though. Luda has never to my knowledge talked about selling drugs. One of the most successful rappers of the last 10 years, no question.
It's easy to conflate "drug talk" with "money talk", and to a certain extent artists are at fault for playing the whole "I flip records like weight" card. But I think the thing that probably rubs you wrong (pause) is the critical fawning over drug rapps as being more "real", more "street", ergo "authentic".
So does he actually rap on those songs? I haven't really checked for dude, but it seems like everyone's saying that he's the truth as far as hip-hop is concerned
Dude can definitely rap.
LOLOLOLOLOL
As if you would be able to tell.
There are lots of albums in the jazz bins that sound like other types of music.
"Thinking about this the other day," "artists are at fault for playing..." And to think I'm ridiculed for expressing my thoughts and frustrations on the heavyhandedness of it all.
You're right about the fawning, but not necessarily critical in the professional O-Dub type of way. Street, message board,club folks, 'round the way dudes and dudettes...their fawning irks me too.
I think about rap way too much. It's totally pointless and a waste of time, but it is what it is.
"artists are at fault for playing..."
Well, artists will always try to come up with clever, relevant means to say something that's been said before, but I didn't mean to say that they've done something terrible in the process. You've got "Rhymes Like Dimes" but I don't think anyone would accuse Doom of being a drug rapper.
And to think I'm ridiculed for expressing my thoughts and frustrations on the heavyhandedness of it all.
I do tend to disagree with you on it, but if it's ever come across as ridicule it's merely because I find a bit of implied finger pointing in the criticism. I guarantee you, whatever I may think (too often) about crack rap or rap about things other than crack, it's a drop in the ocean of fans, bloggers, nahright commenters, and critical O-Dub types.
Your taste is a joke Bowser. You're a white lawyer with a receding hairline living vicariously through trap talk. Good look on your account. You don't know shit about hip hop, or good music; you have an opinion as a fusking consumer. HAHAHAHA, you do not participate! Your wallet does, and you wanna talk like you know. You're a sponge--fusking mindless invertebrate that needs to go back to the ocean where there is no internet access.
There are lots of albums in the jazz bins that sound like other types of music.
Most of that junk isn't actually jazz.
Word? You would know right? You're super down with validity, sharing the same bathroom, using the same toilet paper, et cetera. Your shit still stinks.
I play it in the clurb every other week or so but I don't think you get paid for it in that setting. Can I still get Lunchable-sized sammich or something?
Your taste is a joke Bowser. You're a white lawyer with a receding hairline living vicariously through trap talk. Good look on your account. You don't know shit about hip hop, or good music; you have an opinion as a fusking consumer. HAHAHAHA, you do not participate! Your wallet does, and you wanna talk like you know. You're a sponge--fusking mindless invertebrate that needs to go back to the ocean where there is no internet access.
There are lots of albums in the jazz bins that sound like other types of music.
Most of that junk isn't actually jazz.
Word? You would know right? You're super down with validity, sharing the same bathroom, using the same toilet paper, et cetera. Your shit still stinks.
You're sounding SUPER asshurt dude
It's funny that you think you've made such valuable contributions to the world of rap. I guess you must be quietly shitting on things.
So does he actually rap on those songs? I haven't really checked for dude, but it seems like everyone's saying that he's the truth as far as hip-hop is concerned
Dude can definitely rap. Truth:
There are lots of albums in the jazz bins that sound like other types of music.
then they're in the wrong bin!!
that clip shows that he can rap, but not that he can definitely rap.
Skee-Lo's I Wish didn't change much within the bigger picture of rap and neither will Day and Night.
Good point, but you're forgetting ... "The Kanye Factor." Meaning Kid Cudi is far from a trailblazer, but Kanye's BEEN making these type of songs. And his influence is huge and obvious.
All Kanye is doing aside from making a good song here and there is making shit whimsical and gay...and while it might pass as a trend for a lil while, it won't last nor carry much of a lasting impact.
I am so ready for the era of whimsical gay raps. It would be a switch from the homothug bang on my chest gorilla raps that have gotten so tired.
Skee-Lo's I Wish didn't change much within the bigger picture of rap and neither will Day and Night.
Good point, but you're forgetting ... "The Kanye Factor." Meaning Kid Cudi is far from a trailblazer, but Kanye's BEEN making these type of songs. And his influence is huge and obvious.
All Kanye is doing aside from making a good song here and there is making shit whimsical and gay...and while it might pass as a trend for a lil while, it won't last nor carry much of a lasting impact.
I am so ready for the era of whimsical gay raps. It would be a switch from the homothug bang on my chest gorilla raps that have gotten so tired.
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Dude - Drug raps are 25+ years old.
Callin Rick Ross's content "OLD" in the history of Hip Hop is suspect...IMO.
If I were you I think I would have to re-evaluate my relationship with this "friend."
I keed.
Although I am in total agreement with this:
I don't know that I'd say terrible, but it's incredibly boring to me. Why do people want to hear this in the club?
Can anyone else attest to this song being a large part of their local black experience? Jonny or somebody said it was getting burn on Hot 97, I think.
I'm really curious, because Day 'n Nite sounds tailor-made for angsty white kids who don't really like rap or who rode hard for a hair's-breadth-from-emo cut like "Umbrella." That it's getting any love on urban stations outside of NY is suprising to me.
They dont even listen to the radio.
we've been friends for 20 years. it's too late to re-evaluate anything now. if anything, i should have done a re-evaluation when he blamed me for his heroin addiction. anyway, i understand why he likes the song. the two people i know who ride for the song fit your description about who it sounds tailor-made for. that said, i've heard it on rap/r&b stations in dallas a number of times.
Jim Jones on the first verse of the remix, though.
What successful, popular and respected (and still current) rappers out there have made a living without the drug talk?
Only one that comes to mind is DJ Quik. I would say Shock but he's not currently, uh, current. I'm sure there's more. Shoot, I'm sure I'm forgetting an obvious Quik song that eliminates him from the list!
Dude can definitely rap. Truth:
There are lots of albums in the jazz bins that sound like other types of music. It's just rap music that's not as 'rap' based as a lot of other rap music.
Sums it up perfectly.
Was thinking about this the other day... two names that seemed to fit were Nelly and Ludacris. Maybe I'm not familiar enough with Nelly's album cuts though. Luda has never to my knowledge talked about selling drugs. One of the most successful rappers of the last 10 years, no question.
It's easy to conflate "drug talk" with "money talk", and to a certain extent artists are at fault for playing the whole "I flip records like weight" card. But I think the thing that probably rubs you wrong (pause) is the critical fawning over drug rapps as being more "real", more "street", ergo "authentic".
LOLOLOLOLOL
As if you would be able to tell.
Most of that junk isn't actually jazz.
You're right about the fawning, but not necessarily critical in the professional O-Dub type of way. Street, message board,club folks, 'round the way dudes and dudettes...their fawning irks me too.
sure, drag mylatency into this whydontcha
I think about rap way too much. It's totally pointless and a waste of time, but it is what it is.
Well, artists will always try to come up with clever, relevant means to say something that's been said before, but I didn't mean to say that they've done something terrible in the process. You've got "Rhymes Like Dimes" but I don't think anyone would accuse Doom of being a drug rapper.
I do tend to disagree with you on it, but if it's ever come across as ridicule it's merely because I find a bit of implied finger pointing in the criticism. I guarantee you, whatever I may think (too often) about crack rap or rap about things other than crack, it's a drop in the ocean of fans, bloggers, nahright commenters, and critical O-Dub types.
Your taste is a joke Bowser. You're a white lawyer with a receding hairline living vicariously through trap talk. Good look on your account. You don't know shit about hip hop, or good music; you have an opinion as a fusking consumer. HAHAHAHA, you do not participate! Your wallet does, and you wanna talk like you know. You're a sponge--fusking mindless invertebrate that needs to go back to the ocean where there is no internet access.
Word? You would know right? You're super down with validity, sharing the same bathroom, using the same toilet paper, et cetera. Your shit still stinks.
b/w
How old is this song now? 8 months?
Hi Zvi! I will call the radio station if you meet me at Katz's next time I'm in the city and buy me a pastrami sammich!!!!
Done deal.
I first heard it December of 2007, right after our own Nick Catchdubs and A-Trak signed dude, before Kanye got his hands on it.
B/W
Rap threads on Soulstrut.
You're sounding SUPER asshurt dude
It's funny that you think you've made such valuable contributions to the world of rap. I guess you must be quietly shitting on things.
then they're in the wrong bin!!
that clip shows that he can rap, but not that he can definitely rap.
I am so ready for the era of whimsical gay raps. It would be a switch from the homothug bang on my chest gorilla raps that have gotten so tired.
I am saying the word "though."