If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it ain't a motherfucking mongoose.
That is EXACTLY what I'm saying!!
I know i'm arguing with one of those water drinking birds that keeps coming back for more but dude you DO realize that you can fight homophobia without fighting islam, right? that islam itself is way more complex than simple hate, and that lambasting it for being simple homophobia is
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it ain't a motherfucking mongoose.
That is EXACTLY what I'm saying!!
I know i'm arguing with one of those water drinking birds that keeps coming back for more but dude you DO realize that you can fight homophobia without fighting islam, right? that islam itself is way more complex than simple hate, and that lambasting it for being simple homophobia is
fuck this i'm not even finishing my sentence.
Rockadelic: "But Jerry Fallwell was ALSO more complex than simple hate!"
you don't get it - you're not in a position to make demands of anyone here in terms of controlling the mode of debate. You have, once again, repeated the same false analogy that everyone has uniformly rejected as being relevant to anything. That you keep insisting on repeating it - accomapnied by "you tell me....true or false!" demands only speaks to the arrogance of your approach that I'm suggesting is off putting.
you don't get it - you're not in a position to make demands of anyone here in terms of controlling the mode of debate. You have, once again, repeated the same false analogy that everyone has uniformly rejected as being relevant to anything. That you keep insisting on repeating it - accomapnied by "you tell me....true or false!" demands only speaks to the arrogance of your approach that I'm suggesting is off putting.
I get it.....you want to dispute me without actually acknowledging what I've said....I tried to boil it down to the most basic level, others just want to continue with rhetoric.
Folks are much better off saying "You think All Gays Kill Muslims" and leaving it at that....it makes them feel good and keeps them from having to actually look at a reality they would rather ignore.
I've only resorted to a "true or false" appraoch after a full day of misinterpretations and assumptions by folks who obviously did not understand my sentiments.
The fact that you won't or can't answer those three simple questions reveals a lot about the whole topic and those folks who reply with photos, wise cracks and insults.
4,000 homosexuals executed, yet somehow, no one is to blame....or at least no one here besides me wants to place blame....amazing.
Dare I say, if Rock's views in this thread were as patently anti-Semitic as they are anti-Islamic, I wonder if you'd be so charitable.
Please explain how quoting Islamic Law, stating that said Islamic law finds homosexuality a crime, and giving accurate figures on how many people have been executed via said laws is considered "Anti-Islamic"??
This is like saying that claiming Hitler killed Jews is "Anti-Nazi"
Rock,
There are very few countries that use Islamic law. They do happen to have anti-gay laws though. There are Muslim countries that have secular governments, that also have anti-gay laws. There are also Muslim countries, with secular governments that do not have anti-gay laws.
Religion obviously plays a role in politics and culture around the world, but there also obviously has to be something else going on besides Islam to account for those countries' laws on gays.
The majority of secular governments in the world apparently have anti-gay laws, whether they have a Muslim population or not. Does that mean secularism is the "real" cause if "hating gays"?
fair enough....what "kind" of Government has executed more people for being gay in the last 40 years than any other??
So its not mainstream Muslims, or radical muslims, or people under a caliphate, or secular Muslims?
So when people were criticizing Falwell they were being hypocrites for not also criticizing Muslim countries that used Islamic law to execute gays?
It took you 14-15 pages for you to actually come up with a specific group of people?
They're still not related Rock.
Example: You failed to criticize the majority of secular non-Muslim governments around the world that have anti-gay laws. Hypocrite!
[quote- YES! AND IRAN ARE MUSLIMS! MUSLIMS = EVIL!!! VERY GOOD JOEL> 34 out of 54 countries in Africa have anti-gay laws. Africans are mostly black. Black people hate gays! Jerry Falwell hates gays because he TRIED to pass anti-Gay laws.....every one else is exempt. YOU ARE A MORON Deej....In the nicest way possible......Fuck You
And Jonny.....YES...Muslims who execute people for being gay are evil.
When I resort to FU's it's time to stop......get in all the shots you want.
Rock, I don???t expect you to make these comparisons, but there are actually lots of countries around the world that are NOT Muslim that have anti-gay laws. In fact, there are Muslim countries that have secular governments that ALSO have anti-homosexual laws. I think it???s a ???double standard??? to only criticize religious bigotry against gays and not mention the secular bigotry as well.
Many of these countries have Muslim communities, but all of them have secular governments. If you can???t tell, but almost EVERY African country has anti-gay laws and punishments, whether they have Muslims or not, and even though they have secular governments. About half of Asia also, including India, which is the 2nd largest populated country in the world, has anti-gay laws. There are also many countries in the Caribbean that are Christian or Catholic that also have anti-gay laws and secular governments
AFRICAN COUNTRIES: Algeria ??? secular Muslim country ???can be fined or jailed Angola ??? can be put in labor cants Benin ??? can be put in prison Botswana ???can be put in prison Cameroon ??? can be put in prison Djibouti ??? has anti-gay laws Eritrea ??? can be put in prison Ethiopia ???can be put in prison Gambia ??? can be put in prison Ghana ??? can be put in prison Guinea ??? can be put in prison Guinea Bissau ??? labor camps Kenya ??? can be imprisoned Lesotho ??? has anti-gay laws Liberia ??? can be fined Libya ??? can be fined or imprisoned Malawi ??? can be imprisoned Mauritania ??? can get death penalty Mauritius ??? can be imprisoned Mozambique ??? can get labor camp Nigeria ??? can be fined, imprisoned, death penalty Sao Tome ??? can be put into labor camps Senegal ??? prison Seychelles ??? anti-gay laws Sierra Leone ??? life in prison Somalia ??? Death or prison Sudan ??? prison or death Swaziland ??? prison or fine Tanazania ??? Life in prison Togo ??? prison Tunisia ??? prison Uganda ??? fine or life in prison Zambia ??? fine or prison Zimbabwe ??? fine or prison
ASIAN COUNTRIES: Bahrain ??? fine or prison Bangladesh ??? prison or life Bhutan ??? anti-gay lawss Brunei ??? fine or prison Chechnya ??? caning or death India ??? Life or prison Iran ??? death Kuwait ??? fine or jail Lebanon ??? fine or jail Malaysia ??? fine or jail Maldives ??? fine or jail Burma ??? life or prison Nepal ??? fine or jail Oman ??? fine or jail Pakistan ??? life or prison Qatar ??? prison Singapore ??? life or prison Sri Lanka ??? Prison or fine Syria ??? prison or fine UAE ??? death Uzbekistan ??? fine or prison Yemen ??? death or flogging
EUROPEAN COUNTRIES: Turkey ??? prison
AMERICAS: Antigua and Barbuda ??? prison Barbados ??? Life Belize ??? prison Dominica ??? prison Grenada ??? prison Jamaica ??? prison Nicaragua ??? jail Saint Kitts ??? prison Saint Lucia ??? prison St. Vincent ??? fine or prison Trinidad & Tobago ??? fine or prison Guyana ??? life
And Turkey, Indonesia, Jordan, Egypt and Iraq are Muslim countries that have secular governments but no anti-gay laws
Thank you. I was going to post this, but the research got tedious.
Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the good ol USA have antisodomy laws? Seems to me that elected officals from Texas were recently arguing a sodomy case at the supreme court. Doesn't Rock elect officials in Texas?
If I'm not mistaken, the TX sodomy law was overturned.
But a law being on the books doesn't necessarily matter in this country as far as carrying them out. I don't know if it's the same with regard to anti-homosexuality laws in Islam, and I'm pretty sure I don't want to get mixed up in this imbroglio, anyhow.
Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the good ol USA have antisodomy laws? Seems to me that elected officals from Texas were recently arguing a sodomy case at the supreme court. Doesn't Rock elect officials in Texas?
I did indeed post earlier in this thread that there are sodomy laws on the books but that the way they are written they apply to all people, not just homosexuals.
Can't vouch for the SOURCE , but I was just trying to confirm what I had already read about Massachusetts:
Oral sex is illegal in Alabama, Arizona, Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, Georgia, North and South Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, Utah, Virginia and Washington, D.C.
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I know i'm arguing with one of those water drinking birds that keeps coming back for more but dude you DO realize that you can fight homophobia without fighting islam, right? that islam itself is way more complex than simple hate, and that lambasting it for being simple homophobia is
fuck this i'm not even finishing my sentence.
Rockadelic: "But Jerry Fallwell was ALSO more complex than simple hate!"
Rich, do I have this down yet?
you don't get it - you're not in a position to make demands of anyone here in terms of controlling the mode of debate. You have, once again, repeated the same false analogy that everyone has uniformly rejected as being relevant to anything. That you keep insisting on repeating it - accomapnied by "you tell me....true or false!" demands only speaks to the arrogance of your approach that I'm suggesting is off putting.
In the last 40 years that might be Nazi Germany that was a Christian country, but had a secular dictatorship.
What does that do to your theory?
You obviously just want to obsesses about Muslims.
no.
Top 5???
I get it.....you want to dispute me without actually acknowledging what I've said....I tried to boil it down to the most basic level, others just want to continue with rhetoric.
Folks are much better off saying "You think All Gays Kill Muslims" and leaving it at that....it makes them feel good and keeps them from having to actually look at a reality they would rather ignore.
I've only resorted to a "true or false" appraoch after a full day of misinterpretations and assumptions by folks who obviously did not understand my sentiments.
The fact that you won't or can't answer those three simple questions reveals a lot about the whole topic and those folks who reply with photos, wise cracks and insults.
4,000 homosexuals executed, yet somehow, no one is to blame....or at least no one here besides me wants to place blame....amazing.
Nazi's were still at it in 1967....wow, I DO need to type less and study more!!!
My bad, I'm not a good at math!
Iran?
YES! AND IRAN ARE MUSLIMS! MUSLIMS = EVIL!!! VERY GOOD JOEL>
So its not mainstream Muslims, or radical muslims, or people under a caliphate, or secular Muslims?
So when people were criticizing Falwell they were being hypocrites for not also criticizing Muslim countries that used Islamic law to execute gays?
It took you 14-15 pages for you to actually come up with a specific group of people?
They're still not related Rock.
Example: You failed to criticize the majority of secular non-Muslim governments around the world that have anti-gay laws. Hypocrite!
34 out of 54 countries in Africa have anti-gay laws. Africans are mostly black. Black people hate gays!
Jerry Falwell hates gays because he TRIED to pass anti-Gay laws.....every one else is exempt.
YES! AND IRAN ARE MUSLIMS! MUSLIMS = EVIL!!! VERY GOOD JOEL>
34 out of 54 countries in Africa have anti-gay laws. Africans are mostly black. Black people hate gays!
Jerry Falwell hates gays because he TRIED to pass anti-Gay laws.....every one else is exempt. YOU ARE A MORON
Deej....In the nicest way possible......Fuck You
And Jonny.....YES...Muslims who execute people for being gay are evil.
When I resort to FU's it's time to stop......get in all the shots you want.
FR/GFT
Without exaggeration, you are the most homophobic person I know.
Talk about hypocrisy.
Wel, well well....look who slithered out from under a "rock".
I hate little lying twerps who send me condoms in the mail, if that makes me homophobic so be it.
Now crawl back in your hole.
Well, at least he has you to defend him
And, if you think that going up against 20 people at
once isn't exactly how Rich wants it, then you are even
more naive than I already suspected.
but did y'all come and get it how you knew Rock wanted it?
is BeardedD Guzzo?
Guzzo actually bit that move from BeardedD (and, no, I am not joking).
Sure buddy!
Thank you. I was going to post this, but the research got tedious.
Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the good ol USA have antisodomy laws? Seems to me that elected officals from Texas were recently arguing a sodomy case at the supreme court. Doesn't Rock elect officials in Texas?
But a law being on the books doesn't necessarily matter in this country as far as carrying them out. I don't know if it's the same with regard to anti-homosexuality laws in Islam, and I'm pretty sure I don't want to get mixed up in this imbroglio, anyhow.
I did indeed post earlier in this thread that there are sodomy laws on the books but that the way they are written they apply to all people, not just homosexuals.
what I had already read about Massachusetts: