Why We Need More Torture In Our Prisons(NRR)

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  • sabadabadasabadabada 5,966 Posts
    Wait. I've got some statistics,

    Recidivism rate among felons executed for their crimes = 0[/b]

    Dude...is that a joke???

    no that wasnt a joke. its an irrefutable fact that not one single felon executed for his crime ever commited another crime.

  • BrianBrian 7,618 Posts
    is it bad that i thought rockadelic was seriously arguing for torture in prisons before i read the thread?

  • JRootJRoot 861 Posts
    is it bad that i thought rockadelic was seriously arguing for torture in prisons before i read the thread?

    No. It's bad that rockadelic is seriously arguing for torture in prisons.

  • BrianBrian 7,618 Posts
    i was expecting some article about something in iraq and linking it to more torture in prison or some shit

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    Have a blast Cuz......we are obviously losing this war.....and it's a war I'd much rather be fighting than a "War On Drugs"

    These first two stats are from MASA...the rest are all documented individually


    The incidence child molestation is rising. There have been substantial increases in child sexual abuse in the past twenty years. From 1986 to 1993 sexual abuse cases reported to authorities more than doubled to over 300,000 victims.



    There are and estimated one-half million child molesters. Thirty-seven percent of all U.S. sex offenders are child molesters. The number of people incarcerated for sexual offenses against juveniles increased by 39 % between 1991 and 1997 -- the number went up to over 60,000.






    Child Molesters

    • Recent studies show that while the statistics on most other forms of violent crime are dramatically decreasing, reports of child abuse and neglect have risen since 1993. In fact, it is now believed that every day, three children are killed as a result of abuse or neglect in this country
    .- Prevent Child Abuse America, 2001.

    • More than 3 million cases of abuse and neglect were reported last year.
    .- Prevent Child Abuse America, 2001.



    "The serial killer has the same personality characteristics as the sex offender against children"
    -Dr. Mace Knapp, Nevada State Prison Psychologist.

    • The most serious and chronic offenders often show signs of antisocial behavior as early as the preschool years. (American Psychiatric Association, 1994) (was in Juvenile Justice Bulletin: Nov 1998 OJJDP: U.S. Department of Justice)

    • Dr. Gene Abel estimates that between 1% and 5% of our population molest children
    -CNN Specials Transcript #454-Thieves of Childhood.
    • Nearly all the offenders in sexual assaults reported to law enforcement were male (96%).
    -Sexual Assault of Young Children as Reported to Law Enforcement,
    7/00, NCJ 182990, U.S. Department of Justice

    • Overall, 23% of sexual assault offenders were under the 18 and 77% were adults
    -Sexual Assault of Young Children as Reported to Law Enforcement,
    7/00, NCJ 182990, U.S. Department of Justice

    •Adults were the offender in 60% of the sexual assaults of youth under age 12. Rarely were the offenders of young victims strangers. Strangers were the offender in just 3% of sexual assaults against victims under age 6 and 5% of the sexual assault of victimizations of youth ages 6 through 11.
    -Sexual Assault of Young Children as Reported to Law Enforcement,
    7/00, NCJ 182990, U.S. Department of Justice


    • 2/3 of all prisoners convicted of rape or sexual assault had committed their crime against a child.[/b]

    • Acquaintance perpetrators are the most common abusers, constituting approximately 70-90% of all reported perpetrators.
    -Finkelhor, D. 1994.

    • 89% of child sexual assault cases involve persons known to the child, such as a caretaker or family acquaintance.
    -Diana Russell Survey, 1978

    • 29% of child sexual abuse offenders are relatives, 60% are acquaintances, and only 11% are strangers.
    -Diana Russell, The Secret Trauma, NY:Basic Books, 1986.

    • For the vast majority of child victimizers in State prison, the victim was someone they knew before the crime. 1/3 had committed their crime against their own child, about 1/2 had a relationship with the victim as a friend, acquaintance, or relative other than offspring, about 1 in 7 reported the victim to have been a stranger to them.
    -BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.

    • 3/4 of the violent victimizations of children took place in either the victim's home or the offenders home.
    -BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.

    • Males are reported to be the abusers in 80-95% of cases
    -Thoringer, D., et al., 1988.

    • About 60% of the male survivors sampled report at least one of their perpetrators to be female.
    -Mendel, 1993.

    • All but 3% of offenders who committed violent crimes against children were male.
    -BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.

    •The typical offender is male, begins molesting by age 15, engages in a variety of deviant behavior, and molests an average of 117 youngsters, most of whom do not report the offense.
    -Dr. Gene Abel in a National Institute of Mental Health Study.

    • Offenders who had victimized a child were on average 5 years older than the violent offenders who had committed their crimes against adults. Nearly 25% of child victimizers were age 40 or older, but about 10% of the inmates with adult victims fell in that range.
    -BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.

    • 71% of male offenders are under the age of 35.
    -Dr. Ann Burges, Dr. Nicholas Groth, et al. in a study of imprisoned offenders.

    • 3/4 of sexual predators are younger than 35. About 80% are of normal intelligence or above.
    -Profiles from the FBI Academy and the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children.

    • Though officially, not considered abuse, the highest incidence of incest occurs among siblings.
    -Waterman & Lusk, 1986.

    • Many clinical settings currently are witnessing a dramatic increase in the number of adolescent offenders who have committed sexually aggressive acts against other children.
    -Conte, Jon R., 1986.

    • While nearly 70% of those serving time for violent crimes against children were white, whites accounted for 40% of those imprisoned for violent crimes against adults.
    -BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.

    • Inmates who victimized children were less likely than other inmates to have a prior criminal record-nearly 1/3 of child victimizers had never been arrested prior to the current offense, compared to less than 20% of those who victimized adults.
    --BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.

    • Violent child victimizers were substantially more likely than those with adult victims to have been physically or sexually abused when they were children..
    -BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.

    • 50% of reported child molestations involve the use of physical force and child molesters produce as much visible physical injury as rapists-39% of victims.
    -Dr. Gene Abel in a National Institute of Mental Health Study.

    • About 14% of child victimizers carried a weapon during the violent crime, compared to nearly 1/2 of those who victimized adults.
    -BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.

    • About 10% of violent offenders with child victims received life or death sentences and the average prison term was 11 years, somewhat shorter average sentences than received by those with adult victims.
    -BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.

    • More than 1/2 of all convicted sex offenders are sent back to prison within a year. Within 2 years, 77.9% are back.[/b]

    • 3 in 10 child victimizers reported that they had committed their crimes against multiple victims: they were more likely than those who victimized adults to have had multiple victims.
    -BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.

    • Like rape, child molestation is one of the most underreported crimes: only 1-10% are ever disclosed.
    -FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin.

    • The behavior is highly repetitive, to the point of compulsion, rather than resulting from a lack of judgment.
    -Dr. Ann Burges, Dr. Nicholas Groth, et al. in a study of imprisoned offenders.

    Children/Victims

    If a child feels he has to be fearful all the time, it breeds cynicism and distrust. He'll tend to see others as essentially bad. He may also become an adult who takes no chances, which is very limiting-because without risk, he's not likely to be successful in life. Fear in itself is a form of victimization.
    - Jack Levin, Ph.D., director of the Program for the Study of Violence at Northwestern University in Boston as quoted in Redbook, February 1998

    • Nearly 5 of every 6 sexual assaults of young juveniles occurred in a residence. Crimes against older juveniles and, especially, adults victims were far more likely to occur in other places. Weapons other than the offender's hands and feet were rarely used in the sexual assault of juveniles. The temporal pattern of sexual assault show that unlike adults, young juveniles are at highest risk of sexual assault in the hours when meals are served and after school.
    -Sexual Assault of Young Children as Reported to Law Enforcement,
    7/00, NCJ 182990, U.S. Department of Justice

    • The number one concern of children is their personal safety.
    .- ABC World News Tonight

    • 1-3 Girls and 1-7 Boys under the age of 18 ors are sexually abused.
    -1989 Report presented for Fed. Parliament (RCMP) Jaclyn Mace @ Statistics Canada

    • Violent stranger abductions - 5 a year end in death or long term missing.
    1989 Report presented for Fed. Parliament (RCMP) Jaclyn Mace @ Statistics Canada

    • The abuse and neglect of America's young nearly doubled between 1986 and 1993.
    -The Oakland Press, 9/19/96 from a study by the Department of Health and Human Services.

    • The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children estimates that 1.5 million children disappear, run away, are kidnapped or get kicked out of their homes. If true, that staggering figure means that roughly 1 of every 42 youngsters is in danger.
    -Time Magazine.

    • Based on NIBRS data, crimes against juvenile victims are the large majority (67%) of sexual assaults handled by law enforcement agencies. One of every seven victims was under the age of 6, and over a third of all sexual assaults involved a child who was under the age of 12. This implies that by design the National Crime Victimization Survey is missing over a third of all sexual assaults that occur in the United States each year.
    - Sexual Assault of Young Children as Reported to Law Enforcement,
    7/00, NCJ 182990, U.S. Department of Justice

    • An average of 5.5 children per 10,000 enrolled in day care are sexually abused, an average of 8.9 children out of every 10,000 are abused in the home.
    -Finkelhor & Willias, 1988.

    • 1 in every 3 to 4 girls is sexually abused before age 18 and 1 in 6 to 8 boys is sexually assaulted by the age of 18.
    -Diana Russell Survey, 1978

    • 3 in 4 child victims of violence were female.
    -BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.

    • A 1996 national incidence study conducted by the federal government found that girls are sexually abused 3 times more often than boys.
    -Sedlak, A and Broadhurst, D (1996) Executive Summary of the Third National Incidence
    Study of Child Abuse and Neglect.

    • It is estimated that at least 20% of American women and 5-16% of American men experienced some form of sexual abuse as children.
    -Finkelhor, D (1994) Future of Children.

    • Estimates suggest that males account for 25-35% of child abuse victim.
    - Finkelhor, D., 1994.

    • More than1/2 the violent crimes committed against children involved victims age 12 or younger.
    -BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.

    • Children between the ages of 12 and 17 are beaten, raped and robbed 5 times more often than adults 35 and older.
    -The Arizona Rep. 3/30/97.

    • The most vulnerable age for sexual abuse is between 7 and 13 years.
    - Finkelhor, D., 1994.

    • 1 in 3 victims of physical abuse is an infant less than a year old.
    -The Carnegie Corporation of New York

    • 54% of sexually abused children are victimized before age 7, 84% before age 12.
    -Ernest E. Allen, President of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, 1991.

    • Contrary to popular impressions, children aged 12 and up-particularly teenagers-account for the vast majority of actual long-term child abductions and murders, with numbers dramatically higher among children age 14 to 17 than any other age group. Girls are twice as likely to be victims as boys in abduction murders, and the chances that an abductor is a stranger increases with the victim's age.
    -Redbook, February 1998.

    • 42.9% of child assaults tool place in the victim's home, 41.8% in the offender's home.
    - Greenfield, 1996.

    • 75% of sexual abuse victims are abused more than once.
    -Conte and Schumerman, 1984.

    • Research has shown that the absence of a parent from the home increases the child's risk. In addition, interviews with perpetrators suggest that they look for vulnerable children. Such children are young and appear to be isolated, depressed or lonely.
    -NCPCA 1996

    • The rate of sexual abuse among children with disabilities is 1.75 times higher than among children without disabilities.
    -National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect, 1993.

    • As many as 1 in 6 teens admits there are places where they never feel safe, such as walking to and from a friend's house or on public transportation.
    -Louis Harris and Associates, Between Hope and Fear: Teens Speak Out on Crime and the Community

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    When the story I posted initially was covered on the news last night they showed the parents of children between the ages of 18 months and seven years that had left their kids with these "babysitters" and were now told that the cops had found 100's of pornagraphic films and photos of their children. The looks on their faces, the realization that their childrens spirits had been effectively killed and that their lives were now a living hell made me think some evil thoughts about what should be done to these sub-humans.

    This morning when I read it again in the paper I still felt the same way....think of me as you may, but until someone tells me a better way to handle these types of crimes, my evil thoughts will remain.

    I certainly recognize that torture and death are inhumane, but in my opinion, these folks have forfeited their right to humane treatment.

    Hate me for it, I'm OK with that.

  • DubiousDubious 1,865 Posts
    what about justice "inside" ive heard that pedophiles are the ABSOLUTE lowest rung on the totem pole of inmates so to speak..

    and if you look at the statistics on prison rape / murder it seems pretty likely that they will get fucked with once inside.

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    what about justice "inside" ive heard that pedophiles are the ABSOLUTE lowest rung on the totem pole of inmates so to speak..

    and if you look at the statistics on prison rape / murder it seems pretty likely that they will get fucked with once inside.

    Good

    Pretty sad that criminals recognize this but citizens don't

  • crossingscrossings 946 Posts
    wanna torture some people?...



    make them have to read this entire thread once it hits page #6.

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    My cute baby photo thread only got a few responses....imagine that.

  • SoulOnIceSoulOnIce 13,027 Posts
    My cute baby photo thread only got a few responses....imagine that.


    It was in the usual good taste you are known for -
    babies wearing "My Daddy Just Wanted a Blowjob" t-shirts, hilarious.

  • crossingscrossings 946 Posts
    however... seeing babies with shirts that say shit like "daddy's little squirt" or "all daddy wanted was a blowjob" is borderline what this thread is attacking in the first place. i don't think these babies had any say in choosing these t-shirts that are pretty much [although jokingly] saying that they're unwanted children.







    but i'm just bored at work... counting the minutes til 5pm.

  • BrianBrian 7,618 Posts
    ive never seen any shirts like that
    are you fucking for real?

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
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    It was in the usual good taste you are known for -

    Like I've stated before....Irony and sarcasm doesn't translate well on the Internet.....

    But you just made my day....thanks

  • FSNSFSNS 163 Posts
    ive never seen any shirts like that
    are you fucking for real?

    http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=289

    Site has been sued many times....

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    ive never seen any shirts like that
    are you fucking for real?

    Any idea who sued them and why??

  • FSNSFSNS 163 Posts
    ive never seen any shirts like that
    are you fucking for real?

    Any idea who sued them and why??

    sued by many people....Rick James family, Olsen twins, Osbournes....

    rick james story

    Olsen Twins


  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    ive never seen any shirts like that
    are you fucking for real?

    Any idea who sued them and why??

    sued by many people....Rick James family, Olsen twins, Osbournes....

    rick james story

    Olsen Twins


    Gotcha...so it was about name/copyright infringement as opposed to censorship.

    Thanks

  • buttonbutton 1,475 Posts
    You should stick to just showing off your records.

    There is NO punishment good enough for people who do this....

    "what these people really need is long and expensive therapy in a state facility until they are ready to be released back into society, maybe as a teacher or camp counselor or somethin".

    Grow up and come talk to me when you have kids.


    It's like this, certainly your feelings about wanting to extract some kind of sadistic revenge on scumballs like this are justified. Its natural I guess. There was just a horrifying torture/murder case that came to light around where I live and I remember thinking how the guy who did it need to really get his. And in cases like that, if some lifer in prison with nothing to lose feels the need to extract some sort of vigilante prison justice, I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over it. But seeking to impose some sort of state-sponsored system of prisoner-torture would be recklessly opening a Pandora's Box that would be as near-sighted as it is dangerous. We'll just file this in the same folder as your "no serious forms of racism" gaff.

  • BsidesBsides 4,244 Posts
    My cute baby photo thread only got a few responses....imagine that.


    Gotcha. Paranoid New Parent Syndrome.

    Torturing people will not protect your children any better. Child molesters get their getbacks in prison anyway. I wouldnt worry about it.



    If all else fails? .....Call Camron!

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts

    It's like this, certainly your feelings about wanting to extract some kind of sadistic revenge on scumballs like this are justified. Its natural I guess. There was just a horrifying torture/murder case that came to light around where I live and I remember thinking how the guy who did it need to really get his. And in cases like that, if some lifer in prison with nothing to lose feels the need to extract some sort of vigilante prison justice, I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over it. But seeking to impose some sort of state-sponsored system of prisoner-torture would be recklessly opening a Pandora's Box that would be as near-sighted as it is dangerous. We'll just file this in the same folder as your "no serious forms of racism" gaff.

    Thanks for the fair and reasonable reply.......quite frankly I am not looking for anyone here to give acceptance to or approval of my opinions when I post them here.....and while I enjoy reading the spectrum of responses, make no mistake, these are simply one idiots opinions and not something worth getting anyone's panties in a wad over.

    I'd like to make two more lengthy comments and then be done with this thread.

    1) One of the functions of this site is to discuss, promote and I assume buy a genre of music that, in some instances, extolls the virtues of selling drugs, abusing women and committing crimes including murder.

    And while I don't support censorship of ANY type of music I can certainly have disdain for the people who's lives this music reflects whether it be "Gangsta Rap" or "Skinhead Hatred". Music never committed a crime.

    And also on this site we support and applaud(myself included) when a member is confronted by an agressor and he beats the crap out of/cracks their head open/punches in the dick said agressor. In the same situation I'd likely do the same thing.

    Yet, when I suggest that a sick and twisted baby rapist motherfucker, who's handywork is captured on film deserves to be beat more than any "ho", should be tortured whether it be being continuously punched in the dick or having their heads cracked open and/or deserves to die more than any drive by victim, I'm treated like some sort of evil lunatic that should be excommunicated from the Human Race.

    And be aware that I have not always felt this way.....it's just that many years of witnessing a society that has become a cespool of perversion and abuse aimed at the most innocent of all people, children, has made me form the opinions I spout here.

    I'm done raising my children and luckily they escaped childhood unscathed even with teachers, sports coaches and neighbors that were convicted and sometimes registered sex offenders.

    I'm more worried about the next and future generations, your kids, my grandkids that can have their lives destroyed in one hour by any one of a growing number of perverts behind the guise of Babysitter, Day Care worker, friendly neighbor, etc. And I hope NONE of you ever have to experience what the parents of the victims in the story I posted have to go through.

    Some of you seem to think these folks will get what's coming to them when they get to prison by other prisoners and seem to be OK with that. I don't think it's right to have prisoners do our bidding at the risk of receiving further punishment simply beacuse our society doesn't have the balls to do it ourselves.


    I'll admit that my suggestion of torture was a knee jerk (over)reaction, but it was instigated by my frustration that these crimes are growing and no solution seems to be working.


    Think about this....there are MANY more young people in America murdered each year, including gang members and innocent bystanders who are victims of a specific "lifestyle", than are executed by the state for the heinous crimes they have committed.

    Yet we sing about and support economically via buying music about the former while we protest loudly about the latter....something is amiss.


    2) I don't believe there was any "No Serious Racism" gaff....I simply asked a poster what they meant when they referred to "serious racism" and then suggested that the racism of 2006 is not nearly as serious as the racism of 1956.

    There has been amazing progress made in the U.S, in this area and I believe that representing it otherwise is harmful to the minorities effected and an insult to all the brave people who gave their efforts and sometimes their lives in order to make these monumental improvements.

    Racism does indeed exist in all facets of life and within all races of people. And while today's race relations are by no means perfect, they are a hell of alot better than they were when I was a child and hopefully will continue to improve. That's all I was trying to say with my so-called "gaff".

  • BsidesBsides 4,244 Posts
    Did you just equate gangster rap to skinhead hate rock? Nice one.


    I would like to point out briefly that you called for MORE state sanctioned torture in America's Prisons! Thats why we think you are crazy.

  • BsidesBsides 4,244 Posts
    Think about this....there are MANY more young people in America murdered each year, including gang members and innocent bystanders who are victims of a specific "lifestyle", than are executed by the state for the heinous crimes they have committed.

    Yet we sing about and support economically via buying music about the former while we protest loudly about the latter....something is amiss.


    2) I don't believe there was any "No Serious Racism" gaff....I simply asked a poster what they meant when they referred to "serious racism" and then suggested that the racism of 2006 is not nearly as serious as the racism of 1956.

    There has been amazing progress made in the U.S, in this area and I believe that representing it otherwise is harmful to the minorities effected and an insult to all the brave people who gave their efforts and sometimes their lives in order to make these monumental improvements.

    Racism does indeed exist in all facets of life and within all races of people. And while today's race relations are by no means perfect, they are a hell of alot better than they were when I was a child and hopefully will continue to improve. That's all I was trying to say with my so-called "gaff".


    WOW! Bill Oreiley Posts on Soultrut?


  • SoulOnIceSoulOnIce 13,027 Posts
    Careful ... if you don't agree with him, you are a bleeding-heart
    liberal who doesn't respect other people's views!

  • What happens when an innocent person is tortured by the state because they were falsely convicted? What do you say to the family?

    "Unfortunately, there are speedbumps on the road to justice."
    "If you don't like it you can move"
    "Its for the kids!"

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    What happens when an innocent person is tortured by the state because they were falsely convicted? What do you say to the family?

    "Unfortunately, there are speedbumps on the road to justice."
    "If you don't like it you can move"
    "Its for the kids!"

    When they have a video of the crime, like the one I posted, there is no question of guilt....can we at least punish THOSE people??

  • By torture? No.

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    By torture? No.

    Can we punch them in the dick??

  • z_illaz_illa 867 Posts


    Get out of my country if you don't like our policy of not torturing prisoners. And take GW with you.

  • JazzsuckaJazzsucka 720 Posts
    Go to Guantanamo Bay if you like your country's policy of torturing prisoners.
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