does Kelefa Sanneh have issues?

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  • ayresayres 1,452 Posts
    You have serious reading comprehension issues.

  • you are being a dick to my brother

    oh shit !

    thats your brother ? am i late?..... or is this some "my brother" slang shit.

    i swear this place is like a goddamn soap opera sometimes


    Yes, they're siblings.

    And...well, there's no easy way to say this ed, but...I'm kind of your father.

    Wow. Awkward.

  • DJ_EnkiDJ_Enki 6,475 Posts
    Hi everyone else. I'm in Oakland right now. Hi!

    Hey, me too! What are the odds?

  • ayresayres 1,452 Posts


    And...well, there's no easy way to say this Ed, but...I'm kind of your father.

    Wow. Awkward.

    I fail to see what that has to do with Sanneh's racist argument against Nasferatu.

  • edpowersedpowers 4,437 Posts
    And...well, there's no easy way to say this ed, but...I'm kind of your father.


    i told you, you're famous

  • djdazedjdaze 3,099 Posts


    Let me try to explain something: when a curious phenomenon happens - say, a born-again Hasidic jew doing reggae - this institution called "the media" writes things called "stories" that focus on them since they think that "readers" might find said phenom interesting or "newsworthy." Occassionally, certain writers, known as "critics" may actually offer up what's known as an "opinion" on the matter.

    I'm having a lame ass day and this is the first thing that's made me laugh out loud all day long...thank you Oliver.

  • grandpa_shiggrandpa_shig 5,799 Posts


    Let me try to explain something: when a curious phenomenon happens - say, a born-again Hasidic jew doing reggae - this institution called "the media" writes things called "stories" that focus on them since they think that "readers" might find said phenom interesting or "newsworthy." Occassionally, certain writers, known as "critics" may actually offer up what's known as an "opinion" on the matter.

    I'm having a lame ass day and this is the first thing that's made me laugh out loud all day long...thank you Oliver.

    dude. you drive around porn stars and you expect sympathy from us losers? man, fuck you.







    ps
    where you been? we almost went to another cruise night.

  • djdazedjdaze 3,099 Posts


    Let me try to explain something: when a curious phenomenon happens - say, a born-again Hasidic jew doing reggae - this institution called "the media" writes things called "stories" that focus on them since they think that "readers" might find said phenom interesting or "newsworthy." Occassionally, certain writers, known as "critics" may actually offer up what's known as an "opinion" on the matter.

    I'm having a lame ass day and this is the first thing that's made me laugh out loud all day long...thank you Oliver.

    dude. you drive around porn stars and you expect sympathy from us losers? man, fuck you.







    ps
    where you been? we almost went to another cruise night.

    I'm here, I have a car now too...I'm a baller fo realla. challa at ya boy (get it, challa, it's a jewish thread) I was the only kid named Joshua I knew of growing up that wasn't jewish. weird.

    Zvi is fuckin funny... I love this thread.

  • DJ_EnkiDJ_Enki 6,475 Posts


    Let me try to explain something: when a curious phenomenon happens - say, a born-again Hasidic jew doing reggae - this institution called "the media" writes things called "stories" that focus on them since they think that "readers" might find said phenom interesting or "newsworthy." Occassionally, certain writers, known as "critics" may actually offer up what's known as an "opinion" on the matter.

    I'm having a lame ass day and this is the first thing that's made me laugh out loud all day long...thank you Oliver.

    It's even funnier if you read it in a Samuel-L-Jackson-in-Pulp Fiction voice: "OK, but you are aware that there is an invention called television and on this invention they show shows?"

  • grandpa_shiggrandpa_shig 5,799 Posts
    impala ss?

  • djdazedjdaze 3,099 Posts
    impala ss?

    Cadillac CTS

  • grandpa_shiggrandpa_shig 5,799 Posts
    impala ss?

    Cadillac CTS

    oh shit! i mean oy vey!


  • mandrewmandrew 2,720 Posts


    Let me try to explain something: when a curious phenomenon happens - say, a born-again Hasidic jew doing reggae - this institution called "the media" writes things called "stories" that focus on them since they think that "readers" might find said phenom interesting or "newsworthy." Occassionally, certain writers, known as "critics" may actually offer up what's known as an "opinion" on the matter.

    I'm having a lame ass day and this is the first thing that's made me laugh out loud all day long...thank you Oliver.

    It's even funnier if you read it in a Samuel-L-Jackson-in-Pulp Fiction voice: "OK, but you are aware that there is an invention called television and on this invention they show shows?"
    thats really funny

  • edith headedith head 5,106 Posts
    this has been one of the most engrossing threads evar

    hi everyone

  • JRootJRoot 861 Posts
    this has been one of the most engrossing threads evar

    Fodder for days for the next round of Soulstrut Quote Contests.

    hi everyone

    Hi!

    And to take sides, drbrownscelraery gets the better of this by a lot.

  • PEKPEK 735 Posts
    I don't care that the guy is Jewish. I don't care that he wears traditional Hasidic garb onstage. I care that he makes really shitt watered-down reggae that people like David Letterman (sorry, Dave) latch on to and push as the next big thing because it's really safe. Kelefa's right: there are shitloads of people making much, much better music, but *because they're not white Americans* Matisyahu fans won't check for it at all.

    And faux, you're not quite right with your assessment that only Jamaicans make good reggae. A few non-Jamaicans who are currently killing it:

    Marlon Asher
    Gentleman
    Bitty McLean
    Natural Black
    Morgan Heritage (here and there)

    K*vin may or may not agree here, but as someone who's close to the son of GTA radio personality Delroy G, I assure you his dad nor his JA expatriate compatriots look too generously upon said reggae lite personality; operators such as Leroy Sibbles and Jackie Mittoo residing for certain stretches in North America in the past, but unable to enjoy the reception that Matwhocareswhathisnameis receives now? What happens when his shtick is no longer the flavor of the moment? Look for another genre to co-opt and bastardize to poor effect?

  • rootlesscosmorootlesscosmo 12,848 Posts



    drbrownscelary's first post:

    This dude is what's known as a b'al tshuvah, essentially someone who comes into the religious fold later on in life. They are often the most zealous practioners of their religion, because they are "filled with religious fervor" (read: insecure about their place in the community or making up for whatever deficit in their lives lead them to convert to begin with). I'm sure I'll catch hell for saying this, but the Lubavitchers are basically a destructive insular cult of personality, based around their so-called messiah Menachem Schneirson. I think the actual[/b] unspoken issue here is the support that this tool receives from Chabad (the social arm of the sect) because they see him as a great ad for their fringe beliefs: doud is a phishead from a toney suburb who got all geeked about the mystical aspects of chasidic judaism and these cats figure that he can open the floodgates to thousands of similarly-situated schmucks.
    Beyond that man, I don't see anything remotely wrongheaded about Sanneh's article. He's simply pointing out (quite accurately) a phenomenon that might be unknown and interesting to Times readers. Besides Matisyahu sucks and his whole appeal is based on his freakshow status: stoned jam-band creeps are all like "dude he's part of an exotic spirtual group and he's got like a long beard and stuff". The music is laughable at best, but beyond that there's nothing[/b] more comical than a lubavitcher appropriating West Indian culture or trying to make comparisons between being a rasta and a chasid, because these dudes have the most[/b] contentious relationship with their West Indian neighbors that you ever seen. Why get up in arms because Kalefah pointed out the hypocrisy and absurdity of the situation? Seems like great journalism to me.



    thanks for reminding me how this whole bullshit started: with the complete non-sequitor (and possibly baseless assertion) that this guy is supported by his sect "because they see him as a great ad for their fringe beliefs."

    and thus opened the floodgates for a lot of insulting shit about hassidic Jews that had nothing whatever to do with my original post.

    i had almost forgotten how we got here.

    signed,

    the dude that knows more about hassids than any of you assclowns, who doesn't have a whole lot of love for them any damn way, and who still doesn't see how this relates to the topic he originally brought up.

  • SLurgSLurg 446 Posts


    Why don't you just disagree with Sanneh's opinion (even though I don't think you actually disagree with the crux of his critique: that dude makes shitty music) and be done with it? And this point, I don't even known what windmills you're charging against.
    The problem is that the story seem to imply that his music is shitty because he's Hasidic.

  • SoulOnIceSoulOnIce 13,027 Posts
    and thus opened the floodgates for a lot of insulting shit about hassidic Jews that had
    nothing whatever to do with my original post
    me to call him "Goebbels."

  • d_wordd_word 666 Posts
    The problem is that the story seem to imply that his music is shitty because he's Hasidic.


    Okay let's meet under the bridge on FRIDAY. 6 PM GAME ON YOU BITCH MOTHERFUCKER.






    FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!




  • drbrownscelary's first post:

    This dude is what's known as a b'al tshuvah, essentially someone who comes into the religious fold later on in life. They are often the most zealous practioners of their religion, because they are "filled with religious fervor" (read: insecure about their place in the community or making up for whatever deficit in their lives lead them to convert to begin with). I'm sure I'll catch hell for saying this, but the Lubavitchers are basically a destructive insular cult of personality, based around their so-called messiah Menachem Schneirson. I think the actual[/b] unspoken issue here is the support that this tool receives from Chabad (the social arm of the sect) because they see him as a great ad for their fringe beliefs: doud is a phishead from a toney suburb who got all geeked about the mystical aspects of chasidic judaism and these cats figure that he can open the floodgates to thousands of similarly-situated schmucks.
    Beyond that man, I don't see anything remotely wrongheaded about Sanneh's article. He's simply pointing out (quite accurately) a phenomenon that might be unknown and interesting to Times readers. Besides Matisyahu sucks and his whole appeal is based on his freakshow status: stoned jam-band creeps are all like "dude he's part of an exotic spirtual group and he's got like a long beard and stuff". The music is laughable at best, but beyond that there's nothing[/b] more comical than a lubavitcher appropriating West Indian culture or trying to make comparisons between being a rasta and a chasid, because these dudes have the most[/b] contentious relationship with their West Indian neighbors that you ever seen. Why get up in arms because Kalefah pointed out the hypocrisy and absurdity of the situation? Seems like great journalism to me.



    thanks for reminding me how this whole bullshit started: with the complete non-sequitor (and possibly baseless assertion) that this guy is supported by his sect "because they see him as a great ad for their fringe beliefs."

    and thus opened the floodgates for a lot of insulting shit about hassidic Jews that had nothing whatever to do with my original post.

    i had almost forgotten how we got here.

    signed,

    the dude that knows more about hassids than any of you assclowns, who doesn't have a whole lot of love for them any damn way, and who still doesn't see how this relates to the topic he originally brought up.

    You just cant admit to yourself that you're an idiot, but it's okay because everyone else already knows. Just shut the fuck up already man, you played yourself, it's over. I'm sure you'll do it again, and at that point I'll be glad to embarass you further.

  • bull_oxbull_ox 5,056 Posts
    there is enough anti-semitism on this board



    c'mon now holmes
    granted i'm not on here that often, but yeah, i was about to say...

    Do I really need to go deeper into this?

    We've had dudes like theCrates blame Jews for the issues of the world (He was eventually banned)

    Strawman has talked a mean line about the Jews as well (been banned several times)

    Flunk posted some Jewish stereotypical drawing on here

    HarveyCanal has PM'd me about how Jews didn't really suffer through the holocaust and how we were actually co-conspiritors.

    the list goes on and on, it probably didn't hit others the way it hit me but its there. If you choose not to see it thats on you, but don't deny that its out there

    Guzzo, does the fact that about half the handful of bans we've ever had here were the *immediate* result of an antisemitic comment not give you the idea that this site is not as insensitive as you imply?

  • HarveyCanalHarveyCanal "a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts


    HarveyCanal has PM'd me about how Jews didn't really suffer through the holocaust and how we were actually co-conspiritors.


    You just broadcast that old PM the other day...and that's not what I said AT ALL.

    Why must you twist my words?

  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts


    Why don't you just disagree with Sanneh's opinion (even though I don't think you actually disagree with the crux of his critique: that dude makes shitty music) and be done with it? And this point, I don't even known what windmills you're charging against.
    The problem is that the story seem to imply that his music is shitty because he's Hasidic.

    Slurg,

    At no point to Kalefa even INFER what you are saying here. He is very specific as to what makes the music shitty and it has nothing to do with him being down with the Hasidim.

    I do think that what K is trying to note here though is that it is a bit strange to have a white reggae artist (dressed up in Hasidic garb no less), playing with a white band, playing to a mostly white audience. I think what you can infer is that K is suggesting that part of dude's popularity has to do with his whiteness and ability to serve up reggae that's unmoored from its traditions and that, most of all, is not very "good" reggae. That's why he suggests that may people looking for good reggae should take their cues from the originators, i.e. Jamaicans.

    It's not a very controversial argument. Imagine someone listening to Paula Abdul and MC Skat Kat doing hip-hop and a critic suggesting, "you know, if it's rap music you like, maybe you should check out [fill in real head MC]."

  • bassiebassie 11,710 Posts
    His heavy-handed lyrics...delivered in a slightly Jamaican-inflected accent[/b]

    I have seen footage of this guy and found this to be the worst part of it all.

  • ayresayres 1,452 Posts


    signed,

    the dude that knows more about hassids than any of you assclowns,

    I don't see how that fact is relevant to any of this.


  • Garcia_VegaGarcia_Vega 2,428 Posts
    Did you guys watch Crash? I think Kelefa should watch it and reread his own article.



    Btw, I like this Dr.Browncelery guy, he's opinionated and insulting, reminds me of the old New York before it was overrun with corny dudes from the midwest.



  • Btw, I like this Dr.Browncelery guy, he's opinionated and insulting, reminds me of the old New York before it was overrun with corny dudes from the midwest.[/b]

    ...and White Plains.




    By the way...the same article's getting some heat on the Crown Heights Hasidic website/RSS thing. Check the comments at the end.Contention all around !

    http://www.crownheights.info/?itemid=1721

    As for the whole 'getting along with the neighbors bit'.....
    From the same site:

    "The Shvartzes ran into the building as Shomrim arrived at the scene and then when the police finally showed up the two men filed a police report and were given a ride by a Shomrim member to the wedding."


    http://www.crownheights.info/?itemid=210#c

  • mylatencymylatency 10,475 Posts
    HAZ is having login issues (he voluntarily asked to be banned a while ago and for some reason the temporary unbanning is registering him as underage? I dunno, I couldn't figure it out).


    Anyhow, here is his post that he wanted me to post for him via email:

    "Yo, Doood,

    Still can't post cause I think my status is under age, but, if you don't
    mind, post this for me in the "does Kelefa Sanneh have issues" thread:

    "This thread is a bad look & really full of unfair generalizations. Even if
    you've encountered hassidic jews who've acted like those mentioned above
    this doesn't speak for the communities of hassids that live all over the
    world. I lived in one such community in Montreal & my experience was
    positive. I won't say that I don't find their mode of life strange, but
    they're entitled to wear big hats, beards & black suits. This thread is full
    of bad looks - First you have Faux Rillz taking Rootless' quote out of
    context, which is understandble, I guess, because he's a lawyer & he
    manipulates words to his own end on the daily. I liked DrBrown's comment
    that Lubavitchers are an "insular cult of personality, based around their
    so-called messiah". I'd like to see a religion that isn't like that. If we
    want to keep it topical, couldn't you say that rastafarianism is the same
    thing and replace the name "messiah Menachem Schneirson" with "emperor haile
    selassie"? People here wouldn't because of our lovely double standards.
    That's just how it is, I guess. Even Anna's comments about "Messiahs, women
    wearing wigs, arranged marriages, big hats etc etc" were weak. Can't these
    people live? Can a Jew wear a hat in peace? This is like hearing some dude
    talk about "those crazy Muslims wrapped in sheets". If you want to wear a
    hat, beard, turban, kirpan, kimono, sari, fucking whatever its your goddam
    business. Another amazing comment was "the most part Zvi's assesment of
    Hasidim (in particular those living in the neighborhoods we live in around
    Brooklyn) is realistic and accurate". Would anyone here for one minutes
    stand for it if some racist jerkwad were to go on in a similar manner about
    "Those Blacks in Harlem"? Ugh.

    Peace & I'm out

    h"

  • edith headedith head 5,106 Posts
    First you have Faux Rillz taking Rootless' quote out of
    context, which is understandble, I guess, because he's a lawyer & he
    manipulates words to his own end on the daily.

    to be fair, i believe rootless and dr. brown are lawyers too, not just faux rillz
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