Wal Mart Bags at Thrift Stores

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  • bassiebassie 11,710 Posts
    PatrickCrazy said:


    walmart provides many employment opportunities and offers significant savings on consumer staples. what more do you need for class mobility?

    With all due respect - this is one of the best/craziest/most horrible things I've read.

  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
    Low cost items at Wal-Mart allow their low pay workers to buy basics.

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    LaserWolf said:
    Low cost items at Wal-Mart allow their low pay workers to buy basics.

    Please start all your comments with "I am a Socialist" for perspective sake.

  • BrianBrian 7,618 Posts
    HarveyCanal said:
    PatrickCrazy said:
    the only thing i said in regards to employment was directed at the teenage anarchist who posted earlier.

    walmart provides many employment opportunities and offers significant savings on consumer staples. what more do you need for class mobility?

    So now Walmart is causing poor people to become less poor?

    No, more likely causing poor people to buy more low quality junk they don't actually need.

    But hey, they got a McDonald's right there in the store. Who could ever ask for more?
    i'm saying that if you were to use walmart as an example of a vehicle for class mobility, they are not a bad example. please explain how walmart causes poor people to buy "low quality junk they don't actually need." are you saying poor people are incapable of free will or are somehow too stupid to make smart choices on purchases?

  • HarveyCanalHarveyCanal "a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
    PatrickCrazy said:
    HarveyCanal said:
    PatrickCrazy said:
    the only thing i said in regards to employment was directed at the teenage anarchist who posted earlier.

    walmart provides many employment opportunities and offers significant savings on consumer staples. what more do you need for class mobility?

    So now Walmart is causing poor people to become less poor?

    No, more likely causing poor people to buy more low quality junk they don't actually need.

    But hey, they got a McDonald's right there in the store. Who could ever ask for more?
    i'm saying that if you were to use walmart as an example of a vehicle for class mobility, they are not a bad example. please explain how walmart causes poor people to buy "low quality junk they don't actually need." are you saying poor people are incapable of free will or are somehow too stupid to make smart choices on purchases?

    I guess you've never been to a Walmart just before Christmas.

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    Poor people are obviously stupid or else they wouldn't be poor.

    And stupid people can be easily tricked into buying shit they don't need and can't afford.

    We have to protect the stupid from themselves.


    Now I'm going to go remove my tongue from my cheek.

  • ppadilhappadilha 2,243 Posts
    PatrickCrazy said:
    the only thing i said in regards to employment was directed at the teenage anarchist who posted earlier.

    walmart provides many employment opportunities and offers significant savings on consumer staples. what more do you need for class mobility?

    nothing better for class mobility than paying a minimum wage that has barely been adjusted in two decades, not providing any health benefits, and blocking any attempts at collective bargaining. All the while selling plastic bullshit manufactured in China in factories with high suicide rates and the safety standards of the Triangle Shirt Factory.

    I don't get people who think profit and "successful businesses" matter more than human dignity.

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    ppadilha said:
    PatrickCrazy said:
    the only thing i said in regards to employment was directed at the teenage anarchist who posted earlier.

    walmart provides many employment opportunities and offers significant savings on consumer staples. what more do you need for class mobility?

    nothing better for class mobility than paying a minimum wage that has barely been adjusted in two decades, not providing any health benefits, and blocking any attempts at collective bargaining. All the while selling plastic bullshit manufactured in China in factories with high suicide rates and the safety standards of the Triangle Shirt Factory.

    I don't get people who think profit and "successful businesses" matter more than human dignity.

    If we are going to discuss this we should at least speak the facts.

    The minimum wage in the U.S. is $7.25. Wal-Mart does not set this, the Government does.

    The average Wal-Mart employee makes $11.75 an hour...62% higher than minimum wage

    $11.75 an hour is 2.5% lower than the national average for retail employees which is $12.04 an hour.

    Wal-Mart employs more than 1.4 million people

    If Walmart decided to use 100% of its operating profit to pay all of its employees more, the average store associate's salary would go from $11.75 an hour to $17.62 an hour.

  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
    I am a socialist.

    If Wal-Mart paid their retail employees 1% of what they pay their top paid executive they would get $180,000 a year.

    As a friend of mine says, socialism is the worse economic system in the world, except for all the others.

  • HorseleechHorseleech 3,830 Posts
    Fairly detailed insight into Walmart's business practices:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/view/

    It also goes into the harm to the US economy done by the free trade agreement Clinton signed with China, which nobody seems to mention these days.

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    LaserWolf said:
    I am a socialist.

    If Wal-Mart paid their retail employees 1% of what they pay their top paid executive they would get $180,000 a year.

    As a friend of mine says, socialism is the worse economic system in the world, except for all the others.

    Please ask your friend what Socialist country he is using as an example of this?

  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
    Perhaps the US?
    Socialized schools, libraries, police, fire, roads, air travel, waterways, retirement, old age medical insurance, agriculture, energy exploration, mineral extraction, climate change scientists, space exploration, telecommunications infrastructure, sewer, food stamps for part time Wal-Mart employees who wouldn't be able to feed their families otherwise.

  • BrianBrian 7,618 Posts
    Horseleech said:
    Fairly detailed insight into Walmart's business practices:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/view/

    It also goes into the harm to the US economy done by the free trade agreement Clinton signed with China, which nobody seems to mention these days.
    wait sorry

    who signed it?

  • bassiebassie 11,710 Posts
    It is a myth that low wages are necessary for profit (look at Costco or other major corporations known for fair wages). The government might set the minimum wage, but employers choose whether or not to compensate more than that. Wal Mart can afford to bring starting wages to above the poverty level - and not raise the prices of their goods - they choose not to.
    This is a circular discussion. Wal Mart is disgusting, big business needn't be, and many have shown this is the case.

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    LaserWolf said:
    Perhaps the US?
    Socialized schools, libraries, police, fire, roads, air travel, waterways, retirement, old age medical insurance, agriculture, energy exploration, mineral extraction, climate change scientists, space exploration, telecommunications infrastructure, sewer, food stamps for part time Wal-Mart employees who wouldn't be able to feed their families otherwise.

    Perhaps dude.

  • bassie said:
    It is a myth that low wages are necessary for profit (look at Costco or other major corporations known for fair wages). The government might set the minimum wage, but employers choose whether or not to compensate more than that. Wal Mart can afford to bring starting wages to above the poverty level - and not raise the prices of their goods - they choose not to.
    This is a circular discussion. Wal Mart is disgusting, big business needn't be, and many have shown this is the case.

    while your point is entirely valid, costco's entire business model throws any comparability out the window. with the membership system, they've gone into the profit before they even open the doors. after that's it's pretty much a self sustaining enterprise.

  • bassiebassie 11,710 Posts
    The excuses are longer than the line-ups. I wasn't directly comparing the two; I was saying that paying fair wages when you can afford to doesn't mean the death of your business..

  • bassie said:
    The excuses are longer than the line-ups. I wasn't directly comparing the two; I was saying that paying fair wages when you can afford to doesn't mean the death of your business..

    i dont see it as much of an excuse. i was merely pointing out that the two have completely dissimilar business models, while the outcome appears to be the same.

  • bassiebassie 11,710 Posts
    I got it.
    The business model was not my point.

  • If you have a business that relys on having full -time employees to operate and you claim you cannot afford to pay a living wage, cannot afford to give paid sick leave, and cannot afford health care because providing those things will cause you to go out of business then guess what, you cannot afford to run a business and you have failed at Capitalism. Sick of the whining of owners of fast food, retail, etc. establishments making the claim that the aforementioned things will put them out of business. Those things should be considered into overhead. If you can't cover your overhead, then your business is a failure.

  • BrianBrian 7,618 Posts
    define living wage brah
    and i could have sworn "overheard" were things that you had to cover to run a a business; not magical things the OH HEY HERES SOME SHIT FOR NO REASON fairy dropped off

  • bassiebassie 11,710 Posts
    To make enough money to pay for the basic necessities of life (food, clothing, safe shelter, healthcare, mobility) for an extended period of time. There are slight variations on this with more things on the list, depending on the country/school of thought.

  • PatrickCrazy said:
    define living wage brah
    and i could have sworn "overheard" were things that you had to cover to run a a business; not magical things the OH HEY HERES SOME SHIT FOR NO REASON fairy dropped off

    the fuck does any of this mean pegboy?

    Yes, wages are overhead. Insurance is overhead. Have you ever run a business?

  • BrianBrian 7,618 Posts
    i was asking you to define living wage which you are clearly unable to do

    wages that i choose to pay my employees are overheard
    a mystical yet undefinable "living wage" is not

    insurance coverage that i choose to give my employees is overhead
    insurance coverage that i don't choose to give my employees is not

    paid vacation i decide to give my employees is overhead
    magical vacation courtesy of the european experiment is not

    fast food does not require any specialized skills so wages and benefits are not competitive. it's not very complicated

  • BrianBrian 7,618 Posts
    bassie said:
    To make enough money to pay for the basic necessities of life (food, clothing, safe shelter, healthcare, mobility) for an extended period of time. There are slight variations on this with more things on the list, depending on the country/school of thought.

    1. how do you deal with the massive inflation caused by basically guaranteeing everyone everything?

    2. why would i work the hours i work when i could work less in a lot stressful position and still be taken care of?

  • bassiebassie 11,710 Posts
    I am not even halfway interested in pursuing this conversation. If you don't see the value and importance of having a healthy, economically capable population - not just from the standpoint of caring for your fellow man, but for the benefit of one's business and society at large - nothing I can say will make a difference. There are reams of sources that can say it much better than I can. I am not going to pound it out in a pointless match.

  • BrianBrian 7,618 Posts
    bassie, come on. there's a huge difference between me not

    see(ing) the value and importance of having a healthy, economically capable population - not just from the standpoint of caring for your fellow man, but for the benefit of one's business and society at large

    and me disagreeing with the way to go about doing so

  • bassiebassie 11,710 Posts
    You're right, that's totally fair, but that gap is large enough that even the end result doesn't mean or look the same.

  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
    "Overheard"

  • FlomotionFlomotion 2,390 Posts
    Rockadelic said:
    LaserWolf said:
    I am a socialist.

    If Wal-Mart paid their retail employees 1% of what they pay their top paid executive they would get $180,000 a year.

    As a friend of mine says, socialism is the worse economic system in the world, except for all the others.

    Please ask your friend what Socialist country he is using as an example of this?

    It's a retread of the Churchill quote: "???It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.???
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